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Sometimes, there’s only one right side to be on. i.e. not the side of people who welcome a guest to this country by perpetrating grievous mayhem on him.[/quote]
Ha ha ha, you should pour your victorious self a celebration drink.Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]Scaredy, surely what I have been saying on this thread comes across as unkind to you. It just feels hysterical to me. Not high level. Not philosophical at all. I am used to way better from you. Nothing wrong with raw emotion but this is an area that call for cooler heads. There are a lot of crazies out there imagining that every thing that doesn’t go the way they want it is a huge travesty of justice. There are enough dirtbags working these folks already.
Much of the back drop to these conversation is bizarre, riots and looting in Ferguson. Eyewitness lying through the teeth and the media making a big circus out this stuff. Even your thread title looks to be on the crazy train to me. Which sentient human being doesn’t know that cops lie? Just my sensibilities at play I guess.[/quote]
i personally think a good chunk of the nation has for a very long time believed that the overwhelming majority of police officers always tell the whole truth and would only shade the truth possibly to get a bad guy.
I think we need nonstop body cameras on all police officers immediately …[/quote]
Maybe you are right, I find it hard to fathom. I think I have known or suspected that police lie since I was very young , before memory, like 3 or 4 years old. Could be from coming from a hard life. I knew of gangs that were sworn to kill certain cops too.
Still, IF the only people who would be cops are monsters we have to get philosophical. The way I see the pendulum swinging the candidate pool will get worse. How did it get to be that way in the good ole USA? Maybe it is all just part of the “Fall of the Empire”. Dystopia here we come.
I agree with California renter, and not because she has a higher IQ than me. Most people, or most people who are most vocal now, have no idea how vulnerable cops are , how dehumanized they are by criminals who dehumanize old ladies, babies you name it. general hatred from any anti-authoritarian crack pot, threat factor of deadly retaliation to themselves that they live with in big cities or even small violent ones like where I grew up.
Then on top of that , it is extremely hard to make a case against the bad guy, and even if there is one , politics, low budgets, technicalities make it so only a sliver of them even go to the circus. I mean court. How does anyone keep morale …the paycheck and benefits will not do it.[/quote]
our incarceration numbers and rates are right at the very top of the world: maybe that’ll help morale?[/quote]
You really want to be on one side of this thing. Oh well.Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]Scaredy, surely what I have been saying on this thread comes across as unkind to you. It just feels hysterical to me. Not high level. Not philosophical at all. I am used to way better from you. Nothing wrong with raw emotion but this is an area that call for cooler heads. There are a lot of crazies out there imagining that every thing that doesn’t go the way they want it is a huge travesty of justice. There are enough dirtbags working these folks already.
Much of the back drop to these conversation is bizarre, riots and looting in Ferguson. Eyewitness lying through the teeth and the media making a big circus out this stuff. Even your thread title looks to be on the crazy train to me. Which sentient human being doesn’t know that cops lie? Just my sensibilities at play I guess.[/quote]
i personally think a good chunk of the nation has for a very long time believed that the overwhelming majority of police officers always tell the whole truth and would only shade the truth possibly to get a bad guy.
I think we need nonstop body cameras on all police officers immediately …[/quote]
Maybe you are right, I find it hard to fathom. I think I have known or suspected that police lie since I was very young , before memory, like 3 or 4 years old. Could be from coming from a hard life. I knew of gangs that were sworn to kill certain cops too.
Still, IF the only people who would be cops are monsters we have to get philosophical. The way I see the pendulum swinging the candidate pool will get worse. How did it get to be that way in the good ole USA? Maybe it is all just part of the “Fall of the Empire”. Dystopia here we come.
I agree with California renter, and not because she has a higher IQ than me. Most people, or most people who are most vocal now, have no idea how vulnerable cops are , how dehumanized they are by criminals who dehumanize old ladies, babies you name it. general hatred from any anti-authoritarian crack pot, threat factor of deadly retaliation to themselves that they live with in big cities or even small violent ones like where I grew up.
Then on top of that , it is extremely hard to make a case against the bad guy, and even if there is one , politics, low budgets, technicalities make it so only a sliver of them even go to the circus. I mean court. How does anyone keep morale …the paycheck and benefits will not do it.
ParticipantPay attention to me dammit.
ParticipantLogic can show that anything anyone ever claimed to have seen or in anyway experiences and makes stories about regarding the supernatural or after life is not credible. Logic can not prove that the statement “there is no God” is not credible , but only that it is unproven. To me that puts Atheism above all but agnosticism as I understand it. Nature is God or God is Love , things like that sort of work too, though what causes ” Love” could quite easily be part of some survival mechanism . …probably is.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]How does letting abusive/criminal cops fly under the radar serve any humanitarian need? Would you please expand on this.[/quote]
You can’t read. I am starting to believe that.
If you can’t understand what I am saying, don’t paraphrase for me before you ask me to elaborate. Not in that bullshit way of paraphrasing that you have anyway.ParticipantA higher security deposit has helped me get tenants out without ever having to do an eviction. Not to say it can always prevent it. I also always tell tenants in the final steps of screening that I don’t require any extended notice for them and I will prorate rent back if they want to leave and that I will process their deposit refund within days of their leaving, giving me a written release, and giving me the keys.
Twice I have had tenants that I wanted out, both times with people living there not on the rental contract. I gave them the chance to give notice on their terms, prorated rent back and gave them the security deposit back very quickly, minus legally and ethically billable items. They were motivated for all this by the security deposit and the rebate of prorated rent.
I think psychologically it works well on tenants if they know they can leave when they want to with more money.
ParticipantI don’t really care about having a protected class. What is important is that giving “God” and kind of standing outside of private homes and churches is rubbish. Stop doing that and atheists , agnostics, nature based religions, pantheists , polytheists, won’t have a valid reason to feel oppressed or even insulted . As It is, God based religions , in this country primarily Christians or those who pretend to be Christians are given the upper hand socially and culturally and that leads to having advantages in other areas. It’s affirmative action promotion for believers.
ParticipantGiving God any kind of standing is rubbish.
Little league pledge, For grade school kids, beginning at least as early as the age 5, to be able to play baseball. Playing T-ball costs a pledge to God!
ParticipantI am fine with equating Atheism with a religion, though I disagree. Call it what you want.
When we signed my kid up for little league it was without realizing that before each game he would do two separate pledges to G-D and Country. Agnostics and atheist and nature based religions etc. will never be as equally protected as compared to other religions for which G-D has meaning until this stuff stops. Even if my son doesn’t have to say it, the other G-D religions are being granted a leg up. That’s five times a week at school and 2x the number of baseball games he has per week. It is oppressive.
What really bothers me about the word God being selectively maintained in our society is because what is being reserved is the ability to tell us we have to do something because God said so. If that’s not true, just the historic record of what God has said that people must do is enough to make the possibility that God will speak for anyone again also oppressive . God is dead but the manipulation isn’t necessarily.
I can totally see fanatics roasting people alive again because they won’t do what the right God said to do, or give up their oil or something like that. Actually, so many Christians in this country and obviously Muslims in other countries still play those games. I have neighbors who put maps on their Facebook pages showing how in crusades, Muslims have far out sinned Christians, inherent in that claim of course is that current and future Christian Crusades are supportable by God.
ParticipantScaredy, surely what I have been saying on this thread comes across as unkind to you. It just feels hysterical to me. Not high level. Not philosophical at all. I am used to way better from you. Nothing wrong with raw emotion but this is an area that call for cooler heads. There are a lot of crazies out there imagining that every thing that doesn’t go the way they want it is a huge travesty of justice. There are enough dirtbags working these folks already.
Much of the back drop to these conversation is bizarre, riots and looting in Ferguson. Eyewitness lying through the teeth and the media making a big circus out this stuff. Even your thread title looks to be on the crazy train to me. Which sentient human being doesn’t know that cops lie? Just my sensibilities at play I guess.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]
I think the activities of filming cops especially with voice needs to be really well debated. Lots of potential problems , what if the discussions tip off entire gangs as to what the police hope to do in favor of law in order. [/quote]
So you want more laws to limit what people can record the things they already see and hear. What if they do record anyway, despite new laws? The evidence is thrown out and ignored? More laws sound like real conservative values, huh?
In the future, eyes and ears could be computers that can replay from memory. What if hearing aids had memory chips?[/quote]
Actually what I am searching for is actually probably closer to humanistic values. Left vs. Right is your thing.i can understand the possible Humanitarian type need to letting cops fly under the radar. It’s a record breaking catch 22 though. They deserve some protection in the insane environment and climate they work it, but how do we stop them from keeping their abuses private and above the law?
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]You inferred the state of mind of the police. Not me.
I don’t pretend to read the mind of the police. From conversation with people, I do however know that many who support the police want the police to have the discretion to “take losers out of the gene pool.” I certainly don’t want the police to have such power.
Videos are becoming ubiquitous. Buildings and people will soon have cameras that automatucally record without getting in “the police’s faces”. You inferred that filming equals getting in the way/getting in faces/low level vigilantism. Not the case at all.
There was a recent case in NY where police got private security video and doctored it to cover their asses. More proof of lying and collusion among police officers and others within the department.
Prior to positive proof of police lying, we mostly assumed that the police was truthful. Police lying was anecdotal and easily dismissed away.[/quote]
I didn’t infer anything of the sort , I directly responded to a comment like , “tough shit if camera user are in the way” and my comment was followed up by more” tough shit if camera users are in the way”, public servants etc. That’s vigilante.
I think the activities of filming cops especially with voice needs to be really well debated. Lots of potential problems , what if the discussions tip off entire gangs as to what the police hope to do in favor of law in order. Let’s say you want to know if your stadium bombing or bank robbery is a bust , just put a camera on your bomber or someone following him and film the cops. Drive by and shoot cops and your bomber so nobody talks. Sort of messing around but I hope better minds, for this topic, do look things over very well.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I didn’t infer that. I said that that i didn’t wish that a cop would take him out. Read my post again.
We should act on the evidence/information that we have. New technology is giving us more information to improve our society.[/quote]
I re-read it , you did infer that your wish not to see the man harmed was counter to what police have in mind.
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