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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Shit talking is usually one-way. Some people think that kidding around is cute, harmless and endearing, but they can’t take what they dish out. That’s where pecking order comes in.
I have a friend of over 25 year whom I don’t talk to much anymore. Calls me “perfect ‘lil bitch”. He doesn’t like it when I call him “fat ass.” Like “Hey, “your fat ass actually did the laundry?”
Rejecting people who are rough around the edges is part of civilization itself. We give up cavemen behavior for the rule of law and lawyers.[/quote]
The caveman behavior is part not the whole person. Just like rich people thinking they are special is just part of the whole person. It doesn’t necessarily make them reprehensible ,it just looks bad. It’s hard for each to see his differently economically endowed counterpart in this light…black and white is better to each. Unless ,of course, they have a good education. Brian, you know Mexican people , so think about it in the way they use “mal educado”. It has nothing to do with degrees or money.
Participant[quote=zk][quote=Blogstar][quote=outtamojo][quote=Blogstar]Yesterday I was at the gym with my eight year old son. We walked around the pool area looking for a man to do the swim portion of and upcoming triathlon relay. My son couldn’t believe I was going to walk up to complete strangers introduce myself and ask if they wanted to do the swim. I did it though, had a few nice conversations, that is an initiation. Of course, if they didn’t wan’t to do it, I said thanks anyway lil’ bitch.[/quote]
Not supposed to talk that way to strangers ( the lil bitch part). My son and the other kid had more history than that.
I can see now how new this is to you.[/quote]Not new to this at all. I went to middle school from the wrong side of the tracks in the wrong kind of town. I spent 6 years as an enlisted man in the Navy and worked in construction after. I have been on plenty of sports teams. I have two middle school boys beside the 8 year old. I don’t see the lil’ bitch and other stuff as constructive. Common yes, forgivable yes, not that big of a deal in many circumstances, all true.
I can understand your wanting to discredit my perspective though. For whatever reason , you think it will help your kid. If anyone is new to it , that’s you, after all you started a thread on Piggington’s about basic stuff.[/quote]I wonder if there’s some miscommunication/confusion here. outtamojo seems to be under the impression that you actually, out loud, and in front of your son, said to people you’d just met and who had just declined to swim a long distance, “thanks anyway, lil bitch.” Because you wrote that that’s what you said. But that goes against everything you’ve been saying on this thread. What gives?[/quote]
It was a joke, I didn’t say it. I didn’t suspect Out of Mojo would think I said it, missed it if he did. Where is it appropriate to use little bitch constructively in the adult world, that’s what I am addressing.Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=Blogstar][quote=outtamojo][quote=Blogstar]Yesterday I was at the gym with my eight year old son. We walked around the pool area looking for a man to do the swim portion of and upcoming triathlon relay. My son couldn’t believe I was going to walk up to complete strangers introduce myself and ask if they wanted to do the swim. I did it though, had a few nice conversations, that is an initiation. Of course, if they didn’t wan’t to do it, I said thanks anyway lil’ bitch.[/quote]
Not supposed to talk that way to strangers ( the lil bitch part). My son and the other kid had more history than that.
I can see now how new this is to you.[/quote]Not new to this at all. I went to middle school from the wrong side of the tracks in the wrong kind of town. I spent 6 years as an enlisted man in the Navy and worked in construction after. I have been on plenty of sports teams. I have two middle school boys beside the 8 year old. I don’t see the lil’ bitch and other stuff as constructive. Common yes, forgivable yes, not that big of a deal in many circumstances, all true.
I can understand your wanting to discredit my perspective though. For whatever reason , you think it will help your kid. If anyone is new to it , that’s you, after all you started a thread on Piggington’s about basic stuff.[/quote]As Andrew Luck would say, thank you for your kindness.[/quo
You are more than very welcome.
Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=Blogstar]Yesterday I was at the gym with my eight year old son. We walked around the pool area looking for a man to do the swim portion of and upcoming triathlon relay. My son couldn’t believe I was going to walk up to complete strangers introduce myself and ask if they wanted to do the swim. I did it though, had a few nice conversations, that is an initiation. Of course, if they didn’t wan’t to do it, I said thanks anyway lil’ bitch.[/quote]
Not supposed to talk that way to strangers ( the lil bitch part). My son and the other kid had more history than that.
I can see now how new this is to you.[/quote]Not new to this at all. I went to middle school from the wrong side of the tracks in the wrong kind of town. I spent 6 years as an enlisted man in the Navy and worked in construction after. I have been on plenty of sports teams. I have two middle school boys beside the 8 year old. I don’t see the lil’ bitch and other stuff as constructive. Common yes, forgivable yes, not that big of a deal in many circumstances, all true.
I can understand your wanting to discredit my perspective though. For whatever reason , you think it will help your kid. If anyone is new to it , that’s you, after all you started a thread on Piggington’s about basic stuff.Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=Blogstar]The ability to hang with men, or making good decisions about when not to, comes from the child’s indoctrination to the world by their caregivers , what they need is confidence not vulgarity …and practice with peers counts, but lil’bitch is only good for practicing shrugging off and ignoring that kind of stuff. Where is it part of the adult world in an appropriate not immature or worse, hateful way? Maybe to vent in privacy or something. Profanity is the language of anger. To the degree kids are thriving in the mainstream culture,which I bet is what the OP wants, mastering lil’bitch comments and yo mama jokes has nothing to do with it. There are lots of amazing kids who are kind and are not embracing valuing that. Doesn’t mean they have to be humorless.
The other father was wrong to get hostile only because he didn’t teach his kid to shrug it off and tell him to decide on the value of the group , the activities they share, and the value of individual males for himself. Getting hostile about lil’bitch , because that’s the manly and tough thing to do is just as dumb as saying it in the first place.
But if I were the op I would drop the other dad from the discussion completely , Only his son’s role , his understanding personal responsibility in it , really matters.[/quote]
In my adult life I have seen more than enough meanness and cruelty from those who ALWAYS use socially appropriate language to know not to judge a person’s heart by how they speak. Some of the kindest people I ever knew use the crudest language possible. I personally despise those who hide their cruelty under veils of sweet social talk. As for my son, I am just trying to figure out if he was just joking or if he really is a mean person. Being mean using socially appropriate words is not acceptable in my book and worse imo than being crude.
I’d like to see some of those “amazing kids” under a little bit of pressure. Very easy to be “kind” when your world is controlled and needs and wants taken care of but in a world of scarcity how will they behave? I’d rather hold off the amazing judgment until then.[/quote]Trust me, I know what you are saying about polite people rejecting others who are good people but rough around the edges. I am the rough around the edges one who was raised wrong, has a terrible background. I married into a family more of the socially appropriate type that is no less mean and also not thriving more socially than I am for sure. So, anyway I am not defending cruelty under any guise. I am saying I don’t want the “like father like son” thing to have a perfect match in my case. There are things that my kids can draw on from the polite side of things and stuff from where I come from to leave behind. So that’s why I am saying keep the focus on your son.
ParticipantYesterday I was at the gym with my eight year old son. We walked around the pool area looking for a man to do the swim portion of and upcoming triathlon relay. My son couldn’t believe I was going to walk up to complete strangers introduce myself and ask if they wanted to do the swim. I did it though, had a few nice conversations, that is an initiation. Of course, if they didn’t wan’t to do it, I said thanks anyway lil’ bitch.
Participant[quote=outtamojo]http://thoughtcatalog.com/raul-felix/2013/09/on-talking-smack/
Yah, this is the world I’ve known as a man. This excerpt from a guys’ guy I agree with too:
“Women reinforce social bonds by complimenting each other (but not really meaning it), whereas we men socialize by insulting each other (but not really meaning it).” -Tucker Max
So Andrew Luck socializes by complimenting and not really meaning it? Are social lies acceptable or would they fail the test?[/quote]
This is just a distraction from the issue ,like focusing on the other dad’s problem.
It’s your son that matters, isn’t it? .ParticipantThe ability to hang with men, or making good decisions about when not to, comes from the child’s indoctrination to the world by their caregivers , what they need is confidence not vulgarity …and practice with peers counts, but lil’bitch is only good for practicing shrugging off and ignoring that kind of stuff. Where is it part of the adult world in an appropriate not immature or worse, hateful way? Maybe to vent in privacy or something. Profanity is the language of anger. To the degree kids are thriving in the mainstream culture,which I bet is what the OP wants, mastering lil’bitch comments and yo mama jokes has nothing to do with it. There are lots of amazing kids who are kind and are not embracing valuing that. Doesn’t mean they have to be humorless.
The other father was wrong to get hostile only because he didn’t teach his kid to shrug it off and tell him to decide on the value of the group , the activities they share, and the value of individual males for himself. Getting hostile about lil’bitch , because that’s the manly and tough thing to do is just as dumb as saying it in the first place.
But if I were the op I would drop the other dad from the discussion completely , Only his son’s role , his understanding personal responsibility in it , really matters.
Participant“In your face” just comes in different flavors across economic strata. In poorer words , rich people’s shit stinks the same as anyone else’s does.
ParticipantDefense lawyers should have no say in this because they are used to standing up for the bad guy.
Men should not say anything because our society is sick with macho.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]What would Freud say about Yo Mama Jokes.? I think he would say it’s impossible that they are ever merely just for fun. What would Shakespeare say about them?
This is actually a serious question, Freud was very good on the topic of humor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor_in_Freud.http://usesofhumor.blogspot.com/2008/10/freud-gets-serious-about-jokes.html%5B/quote%5D
Yes. Seemingly fun inocuous interaction is of course very serious business.[/quote]
You have to watch out for the quiet ones too. Especially the quiet ones.ParticipantThe whole story is obviously a fabrication. Not many people are working it that hard. But there are a lot of people doing some of it.
I know a man who was married to a blind woman who got a divorce so she could collect benefits, medical care etc. . I have been told that lots of people with teenage kids are looking at cost of college and saying that they might as well not work more, or have a second family income, because it will just make college more expensive. I am morally neutral on these two.
ParticipantWhat would Freud say about Yo Mama Jokes.? I think he would say it’s impossible that they are ever merely just for fun. What would Shakespeare say about them?
This is actually a serious question, Freud was very good on the topic of humor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor_in_Freud.http://usesofhumor.blogspot.com/2008/10/freud-gets-serious-about-jokes.html
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Yo mama jokes are intended to be traded and certainly aren’t insults.
Come here you little bitch, seems affectionate, if it doesn’t immediately lead to violence and normal interaction follows.
If your son is indeed telling the truth then I think the kid was acting like a little bitch by telling his dad.[/quote]
Since you are going to go there, I always thought a male calling another male is lil bitch was sort of homo-erotic, not that there is anything wrong with that, but if the affection that you are talking about is missing, maybe it’s begging some S&M.
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