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[quote=svelte]So I assume you are against scholarships, which are basically just payment for grades in most cases.[/quote]

The difference is, elementary school and high school are free (unless you are in private school). College costs money. Scholarships are ONE way to help pay for that.

Plus, I think that elementary school and high school are formative years. By the time you get to college, you are supposedly an adult and have learned good study habits…enough to be on your own.

Having said that, it’s ironic that I paid WAY less attention and was WAY less engaged in college at 18 when it was getting paid for with loans and the occasional grant or scholarship than I was at 30 in grad school when I was paying pretty much every penny out of my own pocket.

Maybe rather than paying the kids to get good grades, you should CHARGE them to go to school, LOL

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[quote=svelte]So I assume you are against scholarships, which are basically just payment for grades in most cases.[/quote]

The difference is, elementary school and high school are free (unless you are in private school). College costs money. Scholarships are ONE way to help pay for that.

Plus, I think that elementary school and high school are formative years. By the time you get to college, you are supposedly an adult and have learned good study habits…enough to be on your own.

Having said that, it’s ironic that I paid WAY less attention and was WAY less engaged in college at 18 when it was getting paid for with loans and the occasional grant or scholarship than I was at 30 in grad school when I was paying pretty much every penny out of my own pocket.

Maybe rather than paying the kids to get good grades, you should CHARGE them to go to school, LOL

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[quote=svelte]So I assume you are against scholarships, which are basically just payment for grades in most cases.[/quote]

The difference is, elementary school and high school are free (unless you are in private school). College costs money. Scholarships are ONE way to help pay for that.

Plus, I think that elementary school and high school are formative years. By the time you get to college, you are supposedly an adult and have learned good study habits…enough to be on your own.

Having said that, it’s ironic that I paid WAY less attention and was WAY less engaged in college at 18 when it was getting paid for with loans and the occasional grant or scholarship than I was at 30 in grad school when I was paying pretty much every penny out of my own pocket.

Maybe rather than paying the kids to get good grades, you should CHARGE them to go to school, LOL

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[quote=svelte]So I assume you are against scholarships, which are basically just payment for grades in most cases.[/quote]

The difference is, elementary school and high school are free (unless you are in private school). College costs money. Scholarships are ONE way to help pay for that.

Plus, I think that elementary school and high school are formative years. By the time you get to college, you are supposedly an adult and have learned good study habits…enough to be on your own.

Having said that, it’s ironic that I paid WAY less attention and was WAY less engaged in college at 18 when it was getting paid for with loans and the occasional grant or scholarship than I was at 30 in grad school when I was paying pretty much every penny out of my own pocket.

Maybe rather than paying the kids to get good grades, you should CHARGE them to go to school, LOL

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[quote=svelte]
You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?[/quote]

That’s called “a job”. This is called “school”.

And, yes I get paid but if I do a super special A++ job I don’t get more money…I just get to keep my job. The high performance is expected.

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[quote=svelte]
You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?[/quote]

That’s called “a job”. This is called “school”.

And, yes I get paid but if I do a super special A++ job I don’t get more money…I just get to keep my job. The high performance is expected.

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[quote=svelte]
You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?[/quote]

That’s called “a job”. This is called “school”.

And, yes I get paid but if I do a super special A++ job I don’t get more money…I just get to keep my job. The high performance is expected.

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[quote=svelte]
You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?[/quote]

That’s called “a job”. This is called “school”.

And, yes I get paid but if I do a super special A++ job I don’t get more money…I just get to keep my job. The high performance is expected.

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[quote=svelte]
You do work, don’t you? And I assume you expect to be paid for that work?[/quote]

That’s called “a job”. This is called “school”.

And, yes I get paid but if I do a super special A++ job I don’t get more money…I just get to keep my job. The high performance is expected.

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[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

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[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

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[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

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[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

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[quote=scaredycat]
why is it either/or? does this ultimately come down to “money is dirty” argument? I wonder whether some of the “just get out there in the world and spend time with the” theorists actually have kids in an actual school system. it’s not like some fantasy ncie school. it’s a mill…[/quote]

Like I said, I think it teaches the wrong lesson…about alot of things in life.

I know parents who pay their kids for every little thing they do: take out the trash, mow the lawn, clean the toilet. Guess what happens when the money isn’t a motivator anymore (e.g. they have enough and would rather not do the work)? They tell their parents to (politely) piss off. What are you gonna do then?

Face it, sometimes in life, you have to do things that you really don’t want to do and you rarely, if ever get paid to do it. I hate cleaning my house. Who’s gonna cut me a check the next time I clean my toilet? One of you ‘pay for performance’ supporters? How are these kids who’ve been taught that they’ll get rewarded for every little thing they do as children and young adults going to deal with the real world?

I don’t approve of this increasingly common approach by parents, and now even school districts, of paying kids to pay attention in school. They don’t want to pay attention and want to fail out? Fine. When we kick out all the illegal immigrants we are gonna need plenty of ditch diggers LOL

Frankly, I wouldn’t care how people are raising THEIR kids if it wasn’t for the fact that this next generation is going to be running the country when I’m nearing retirement and I’m quite afraid of how that will turn out..

Off the soapbox…good luck with the payments 😉

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[quote=scaredycat]I think he’ll do better if he’s paid. More important, I think i’ll have to hassle him less. [/quote]

This is strong evidence of why I think that this is the wrong approach…

You are looking for a short cut that achieves two objectives:

1) You son has good grades
2) You don’t have to bothered with how that happens

It’s number two that is THE PROBLEM with most parents these days. They just don’t want to be bothered with their children…

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