[madcow]

[quote=gn]I’d like to pose the following question.
In your opinion, which is a bigger factor for students who are in the GATE programs:

– Naturally gifted (i.e. nature)
– Parental involvement (i.e. nurture)[/quote]

There has been quite a lot of research on a similar problem – heritability of intelligence – in the past (now this area is a bit suppressed because it can be applied to interracial differences). Simply google for ‘heritability coefficient’ and IQ/intelligence or go to WIKI . A classical name in this area is Arthur R. Jensen.

Most studies put that coefficient between 0.5-0.6. This means that 50-60% of intelligence (often measured as IQ) variation in offspring is explained by genetics, 40-50% by other factors (environment). This environmental component explains why IQ can grown from generation to generation (this growth is used by some PC people with limited background in genetics to explain the shift by pure non-genetics factors). If I remember correctly, the coefficient is even higher for very high IQs.

Disclaimer: I don’t follow this area much (since it is more politics than science).

[madcow]

[quote=gn]I’d like to pose the following question.
In your opinion, which is a bigger factor for students who are in the GATE programs:

– Naturally gifted (i.e. nature)
– Parental involvement (i.e. nurture)[/quote]

There has been quite a lot of research on a similar problem – heritability of intelligence – in the past (now this area is a bit suppressed because it can be applied to interracial differences). Simply google for ‘heritability coefficient’ and IQ/intelligence or go to WIKI . A classical name in this area is Arthur R. Jensen.

Most studies put that coefficient between 0.5-0.6. This means that 50-60% of intelligence (often measured as IQ) variation in offspring is explained by genetics, 40-50% by other factors (environment). This environmental component explains why IQ can grown from generation to generation (this growth is used by some PC people with limited background in genetics to explain the shift by pure non-genetics factors). If I remember correctly, the coefficient is even higher for very high IQs.

Disclaimer: I don’t follow this area much (since it is more politics than science).

[madcow]

[quote=gn]I’d like to pose the following question.
In your opinion, which is a bigger factor for students who are in the GATE programs:

– Naturally gifted (i.e. nature)
– Parental involvement (i.e. nurture)[/quote]

There has been quite a lot of research on a similar problem – heritability of intelligence – in the past (now this area is a bit suppressed because it can be applied to interracial differences). Simply google for ‘heritability coefficient’ and IQ/intelligence or go to WIKI . A classical name in this area is Arthur R. Jensen.

Most studies put that coefficient between 0.5-0.6. This means that 50-60% of intelligence (often measured as IQ) variation in offspring is explained by genetics, 40-50% by other factors (environment). This environmental component explains why IQ can grown from generation to generation (this growth is used by some PC people with limited background in genetics to explain the shift by pure non-genetics factors). If I remember correctly, the coefficient is even higher for very high IQs.

Disclaimer: I don’t follow this area much (since it is more politics than science).

[madcow]

[quote=gn]I’d like to pose the following question.
In your opinion, which is a bigger factor for students who are in the GATE programs:

– Naturally gifted (i.e. nature)
– Parental involvement (i.e. nurture)[/quote]

There has been quite a lot of research on a similar problem – heritability of intelligence – in the past (now this area is a bit suppressed because it can be applied to interracial differences). Simply google for ‘heritability coefficient’ and IQ/intelligence or go to WIKI . A classical name in this area is Arthur R. Jensen.

Most studies put that coefficient between 0.5-0.6. This means that 50-60% of intelligence (often measured as IQ) variation in offspring is explained by genetics, 40-50% by other factors (environment). This environmental component explains why IQ can grown from generation to generation (this growth is used by some PC people with limited background in genetics to explain the shift by pure non-genetics factors). If I remember correctly, the coefficient is even higher for very high IQs.

Disclaimer: I don’t follow this area much (since it is more politics than science).

[madcow]

[quote=gn]I’d like to pose the following question.
In your opinion, which is a bigger factor for students who are in the GATE programs:

– Naturally gifted (i.e. nature)
– Parental involvement (i.e. nurture)[/quote]

There has been quite a lot of research on a similar problem – heritability of intelligence – in the past (now this area is a bit suppressed because it can be applied to interracial differences). Simply google for ‘heritability coefficient’ and IQ/intelligence or go to WIKI . A classical name in this area is Arthur R. Jensen.

Most studies put that coefficient between 0.5-0.6. This means that 50-60% of intelligence (often measured as IQ) variation in offspring is explained by genetics, 40-50% by other factors (environment). This environmental component explains why IQ can grown from generation to generation (this growth is used by some PC people with limited background in genetics to explain the shift by pure non-genetics factors). If I remember correctly, the coefficient is even higher for very high IQs.

Disclaimer: I don’t follow this area much (since it is more politics than science).

[madcow]

From my own experience, landlords may not prefer fence sitters. Last year when I was searching for rental, one landlord called me and explained he had selected someone else. Basically, the fact that my credit score/history/income was “head and shoulders” above any other applicant was a sign that was not going to stay there for long time. His son works in biotech and after seeing my position in that field he said that people like me don’t rent.

Some landlords like people who will rent ‘forever’, good enough income to comfortably cover the rent, but not able to buy. They prefer stable tenants, not people who can move anytime. For them, any change means lost $$, stress with showing the house and screenings of prospective tenants.

This may differ for FB’s who hope to sell the house in 1-2 years, but that landlord was in the rental business for 20+ years and had no intention to ever sell the house.

[madcow]

From my own experience, landlords may not prefer fence sitters. Last year when I was searching for rental, one landlord called me and explained he had selected someone else. Basically, the fact that my credit score/history/income was “head and shoulders” above any other applicant was a sign that was not going to stay there for long time. His son works in biotech and after seeing my position in that field he said that people like me don’t rent.

Some landlords like people who will rent ‘forever’, good enough income to comfortably cover the rent, but not able to buy. They prefer stable tenants, not people who can move anytime. For them, any change means lost $$, stress with showing the house and screenings of prospective tenants.

This may differ for FB’s who hope to sell the house in 1-2 years, but that landlord was in the rental business for 20+ years and had no intention to ever sell the house.

[madcow]

From my own experience, landlords may not prefer fence sitters. Last year when I was searching for rental, one landlord called me and explained he had selected someone else. Basically, the fact that my credit score/history/income was “head and shoulders” above any other applicant was a sign that was not going to stay there for long time. His son works in biotech and after seeing my position in that field he said that people like me don’t rent.

Some landlords like people who will rent ‘forever’, good enough income to comfortably cover the rent, but not able to buy. They prefer stable tenants, not people who can move anytime. For them, any change means lost $$, stress with showing the house and screenings of prospective tenants.

This may differ for FB’s who hope to sell the house in 1-2 years, but that landlord was in the rental business for 20+ years and had no intention to ever sell the house.

[madcow]

From my own experience, landlords may not prefer fence sitters. Last year when I was searching for rental, one landlord called me and explained he had selected someone else. Basically, the fact that my credit score/history/income was “head and shoulders” above any other applicant was a sign that was not going to stay there for long time. His son works in biotech and after seeing my position in that field he said that people like me don’t rent.

Some landlords like people who will rent ‘forever’, good enough income to comfortably cover the rent, but not able to buy. They prefer stable tenants, not people who can move anytime. For them, any change means lost $$, stress with showing the house and screenings of prospective tenants.

This may differ for FB’s who hope to sell the house in 1-2 years, but that landlord was in the rental business for 20+ years and had no intention to ever sell the house.

[madcow]

From my own experience, landlords may not prefer fence sitters. Last year when I was searching for rental, one landlord called me and explained he had selected someone else. Basically, the fact that my credit score/history/income was “head and shoulders” above any other applicant was a sign that was not going to stay there for long time. His son works in biotech and after seeing my position in that field he said that people like me don’t rent.

Some landlords like people who will rent ‘forever’, good enough income to comfortably cover the rent, but not able to buy. They prefer stable tenants, not people who can move anytime. For them, any change means lost $$, stress with showing the house and screenings of prospective tenants.

This may differ for FB’s who hope to sell the house in 1-2 years, but that landlord was in the rental business for 20+ years and had no intention to ever sell the house.

[madcow]

I used the recent temporary rally in the dollar, matched the $1800 check with my own money and sent it all to my account in Europe and invested there. This is my hedge against Helicopter Ben, and the worst-case scenario of bank/FDIC failures (plus one of the best save investment I had during last 5 years). I understand that this is not a very patriotic solution, but the crap on the Fed and banks balance sheets, sending rebates, housing bailouts, inflation Ex-inflation, etc. tells me that more pain (for savers) and money printing may come. Restore Paul Volker or hike interest rates and I’ll start saving $ again.

[madcow]

I used the recent temporary rally in the dollar, matched the $1800 check with my own money and sent it all to my account in Europe and invested there. This is my hedge against Helicopter Ben, and the worst-case scenario of bank/FDIC failures (plus one of the best save investment I had during last 5 years). I understand that this is not a very patriotic solution, but the crap on the Fed and banks balance sheets, sending rebates, housing bailouts, inflation Ex-inflation, etc. tells me that more pain (for savers) and money printing may come. Restore Paul Volker or hike interest rates and I’ll start saving $ again.

[madcow]

I used the recent temporary rally in the dollar, matched the $1800 check with my own money and sent it all to my account in Europe and invested there. This is my hedge against Helicopter Ben, and the worst-case scenario of bank/FDIC failures (plus one of the best save investment I had during last 5 years). I understand that this is not a very patriotic solution, but the crap on the Fed and banks balance sheets, sending rebates, housing bailouts, inflation Ex-inflation, etc. tells me that more pain (for savers) and money printing may come. Restore Paul Volker or hike interest rates and I’ll start saving $ again.

[madcow]

I used the recent temporary rally in the dollar, matched the $1800 check with my own money and sent it all to my account in Europe and invested there. This is my hedge against Helicopter Ben, and the worst-case scenario of bank/FDIC failures (plus one of the best save investment I had during last 5 years). I understand that this is not a very patriotic solution, but the crap on the Fed and banks balance sheets, sending rebates, housing bailouts, inflation Ex-inflation, etc. tells me that more pain (for savers) and money printing may come. Restore Paul Volker or hike interest rates and I’ll start saving $ again.

[madcow]

I used the recent temporary rally in the dollar, matched the $1800 check with my own money and sent it all to my account in Europe and invested there. This is my hedge against Helicopter Ben, and the worst-case scenario of bank/FDIC failures (plus one of the best save investment I had during last 5 years). I understand that this is not a very patriotic solution, but the crap on the Fed and banks balance sheets, sending rebates, housing bailouts, inflation Ex-inflation, etc. tells me that more pain (for savers) and money printing may come. Restore Paul Volker or hike interest rates and I’ll start saving $ again.

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