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Of course not. If we just stick our heads in the sand and don’t activity take a roll in the world today all of these problems will go away.

I mean afterall we should all behave like Neville Chamberlain. That really worked out well for Europe.

The naivity of people never ceases to amaze me.

Look I am no surpport of George Bush. He did plenty wrong. But Obama is trying to use the current situation to push through a huge program of increase government spending and doing it at a time when everybody is more worried about paying their bills then focusing on what Washington is doing.

We *CANNOT* run ourselves in tens of trillions of dollars of debt and expect it to work.

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So FDR ran enormous Budget deficits when people were worried about
paying their bills to create huge programs.

Funny, He’s credited with fixing the great depression.
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You should probably read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Man:_A_New_History_of_The_Great_Depression

[luchabee]

[quote=patb][quote=GoUSC]O

Of course not. If we just stick our heads in the sand and don’t activity take a roll in the world today all of these problems will go away.

I mean afterall we should all behave like Neville Chamberlain. That really worked out well for Europe.

The naivity of people never ceases to amaze me.

Look I am no surpport of George Bush. He did plenty wrong. But Obama is trying to use the current situation to push through a huge program of increase government spending and doing it at a time when everybody is more worried about paying their bills then focusing on what Washington is doing.

We *CANNOT* run ourselves in tens of trillions of dollars of debt and expect it to work.

[/quote]

So FDR ran enormous Budget deficits when people were worried about
paying their bills to create huge programs.

Funny, He’s credited with fixing the great depression.
[/quote]

You should probably read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Man:_A_New_History_of_The_Great_Depression

[luchabee]

[quote=patb][quote=GoUSC]O

Of course not. If we just stick our heads in the sand and don’t activity take a roll in the world today all of these problems will go away.

I mean afterall we should all behave like Neville Chamberlain. That really worked out well for Europe.

The naivity of people never ceases to amaze me.

Look I am no surpport of George Bush. He did plenty wrong. But Obama is trying to use the current situation to push through a huge program of increase government spending and doing it at a time when everybody is more worried about paying their bills then focusing on what Washington is doing.

We *CANNOT* run ourselves in tens of trillions of dollars of debt and expect it to work.

[/quote]

So FDR ran enormous Budget deficits when people were worried about
paying their bills to create huge programs.

Funny, He’s credited with fixing the great depression.
[/quote]

You should probably read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Man:_A_New_History_of_The_Great_Depression

[luchabee]

[quote=patb][quote=GoUSC]O

Of course not. If we just stick our heads in the sand and don’t activity take a roll in the world today all of these problems will go away.

I mean afterall we should all behave like Neville Chamberlain. That really worked out well for Europe.

The naivity of people never ceases to amaze me.

Look I am no surpport of George Bush. He did plenty wrong. But Obama is trying to use the current situation to push through a huge program of increase government spending and doing it at a time when everybody is more worried about paying their bills then focusing on what Washington is doing.

We *CANNOT* run ourselves in tens of trillions of dollars of debt and expect it to work.

[/quote]

So FDR ran enormous Budget deficits when people were worried about
paying their bills to create huge programs.

Funny, He’s credited with fixing the great depression.
[/quote]

You should probably read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Man:_A_New_History_of_The_Great_Depression

[luchabee]

[quote=patb][quote=GoUSC]O

Of course not. If we just stick our heads in the sand and don’t activity take a roll in the world today all of these problems will go away.

I mean afterall we should all behave like Neville Chamberlain. That really worked out well for Europe.

The naivity of people never ceases to amaze me.

Look I am no surpport of George Bush. He did plenty wrong. But Obama is trying to use the current situation to push through a huge program of increase government spending and doing it at a time when everybody is more worried about paying their bills then focusing on what Washington is doing.

We *CANNOT* run ourselves in tens of trillions of dollars of debt and expect it to work.

[/quote]

So FDR ran enormous Budget deficits when people were worried about
paying their bills to create huge programs.

Funny, He’s credited with fixing the great depression.
[/quote]

You should probably read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Man:_A_New_History_of_The_Great_Depression

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Actually, Dr. Boom, we are talking past each other . . . but probably agree on the trade issue.

On trade issues, other than some populist lip-service by liberals now and again, you can’t really tell liberals and conservatives apart, unless you are talking about the far-left (like the anti-IMF protests, etc.).

However, concerning federal and state regulation, environmental laws, state and federal taxes, and unionization, liberals are certainly making American business less competitive and passing trillions of dollars of hidden expenses and taxes on to the US consumer. Whether they are running states or wearing down the management running US car companies, liberals have implemented policies that were premised on American economic superiority, like we had in the 50’s, etc.

Unfortunately, now there is too much competition from abroad. So, obviously, our US companies are closing, outsourcing (becoming “multi-national”), and downsizing (or going to business-friendly US states). Also, small businesses and individual owners are now facing similar challenges with increased federal government and state government taxes, especially liberal states like CA, NJ, and NY.

Ultimately, I’d like to start a business, but in the present environment (for a lot of reasons), I’m not too motivated to get things going.

[luchabee]

Actually, Dr. Boom, we are talking past each other . . . but probably agree on the trade issue.

On trade issues, other than some populist lip-service by liberals now and again, you can’t really tell liberals and conservatives apart, unless you are talking about the far-left (like the anti-IMF protests, etc.).

However, concerning federal and state regulation, environmental laws, state and federal taxes, and unionization, liberals are certainly making American business less competitive and passing trillions of dollars of hidden expenses and taxes on to the US consumer. Whether they are running states or wearing down the management running US car companies, liberals have implemented policies that were premised on American economic superiority, like we had in the 50’s, etc.

Unfortunately, now there is too much competition from abroad. So, obviously, our US companies are closing, outsourcing (becoming “multi-national”), and downsizing (or going to business-friendly US states). Also, small businesses and individual owners are now facing similar challenges with increased federal government and state government taxes, especially liberal states like CA, NJ, and NY.

Ultimately, I’d like to start a business, but in the present environment (for a lot of reasons), I’m not too motivated to get things going.

[luchabee]

Actually, Dr. Boom, we are talking past each other . . . but probably agree on the trade issue.

On trade issues, other than some populist lip-service by liberals now and again, you can’t really tell liberals and conservatives apart, unless you are talking about the far-left (like the anti-IMF protests, etc.).

However, concerning federal and state regulation, environmental laws, state and federal taxes, and unionization, liberals are certainly making American business less competitive and passing trillions of dollars of hidden expenses and taxes on to the US consumer. Whether they are running states or wearing down the management running US car companies, liberals have implemented policies that were premised on American economic superiority, like we had in the 50’s, etc.

Unfortunately, now there is too much competition from abroad. So, obviously, our US companies are closing, outsourcing (becoming “multi-national”), and downsizing (or going to business-friendly US states). Also, small businesses and individual owners are now facing similar challenges with increased federal government and state government taxes, especially liberal states like CA, NJ, and NY.

Ultimately, I’d like to start a business, but in the present environment (for a lot of reasons), I’m not too motivated to get things going.

[luchabee]

Actually, Dr. Boom, we are talking past each other . . . but probably agree on the trade issue.

On trade issues, other than some populist lip-service by liberals now and again, you can’t really tell liberals and conservatives apart, unless you are talking about the far-left (like the anti-IMF protests, etc.).

However, concerning federal and state regulation, environmental laws, state and federal taxes, and unionization, liberals are certainly making American business less competitive and passing trillions of dollars of hidden expenses and taxes on to the US consumer. Whether they are running states or wearing down the management running US car companies, liberals have implemented policies that were premised on American economic superiority, like we had in the 50’s, etc.

Unfortunately, now there is too much competition from abroad. So, obviously, our US companies are closing, outsourcing (becoming “multi-national”), and downsizing (or going to business-friendly US states). Also, small businesses and individual owners are now facing similar challenges with increased federal government and state government taxes, especially liberal states like CA, NJ, and NY.

Ultimately, I’d like to start a business, but in the present environment (for a lot of reasons), I’m not too motivated to get things going.

[luchabee]

Actually, Dr. Boom, we are talking past each other . . . but probably agree on the trade issue.

On trade issues, other than some populist lip-service by liberals now and again, you can’t really tell liberals and conservatives apart, unless you are talking about the far-left (like the anti-IMF protests, etc.).

However, concerning federal and state regulation, environmental laws, state and federal taxes, and unionization, liberals are certainly making American business less competitive and passing trillions of dollars of hidden expenses and taxes on to the US consumer. Whether they are running states or wearing down the management running US car companies, liberals have implemented policies that were premised on American economic superiority, like we had in the 50’s, etc.

Unfortunately, now there is too much competition from abroad. So, obviously, our US companies are closing, outsourcing (becoming “multi-national”), and downsizing (or going to business-friendly US states). Also, small businesses and individual owners are now facing similar challenges with increased federal government and state government taxes, especially liberal states like CA, NJ, and NY.

Ultimately, I’d like to start a business, but in the present environment (for a lot of reasons), I’m not too motivated to get things going.

[luchabee]

Real-estate right?

Ever tried running a small machine shop or done manufacturing, etc? You want to talk about regulation . . .

Obviously, many business owners in CA are not as nimble, as they are fleeing the state, closing shop, letting people go. My sister-in-law just got laid off from a small firm. Another family member of mine let his employees go, as the compliance and taxes didn’t warrant their continued employment and the burden managing them. Out in the I.E., we may approach a 20% real unemployment rate, but the CA legislature is doing nothing to promote growth. In fact, after the largest tax increase in history, they still want to increase taxes.

From my perspective, a taste of what is to come from the federal government. Maybe those millions and millions of green jobs will save us though? I’ve always wanted a windmill on top of my car.

[luchabee]

Real-estate right?

Ever tried running a small machine shop or done manufacturing, etc? You want to talk about regulation . . .

Obviously, many business owners in CA are not as nimble, as they are fleeing the state, closing shop, letting people go. My sister-in-law just got laid off from a small firm. Another family member of mine let his employees go, as the compliance and taxes didn’t warrant their continued employment and the burden managing them. Out in the I.E., we may approach a 20% real unemployment rate, but the CA legislature is doing nothing to promote growth. In fact, after the largest tax increase in history, they still want to increase taxes.

From my perspective, a taste of what is to come from the federal government. Maybe those millions and millions of green jobs will save us though? I’ve always wanted a windmill on top of my car.

[luchabee]

Real-estate right?

Ever tried running a small machine shop or done manufacturing, etc? You want to talk about regulation . . .

Obviously, many business owners in CA are not as nimble, as they are fleeing the state, closing shop, letting people go. My sister-in-law just got laid off from a small firm. Another family member of mine let his employees go, as the compliance and taxes didn’t warrant their continued employment and the burden managing them. Out in the I.E., we may approach a 20% real unemployment rate, but the CA legislature is doing nothing to promote growth. In fact, after the largest tax increase in history, they still want to increase taxes.

From my perspective, a taste of what is to come from the federal government. Maybe those millions and millions of green jobs will save us though? I’ve always wanted a windmill on top of my car.

[luchabee]

Real-estate right?

Ever tried running a small machine shop or done manufacturing, etc? You want to talk about regulation . . .

Obviously, many business owners in CA are not as nimble, as they are fleeing the state, closing shop, letting people go. My sister-in-law just got laid off from a small firm. Another family member of mine let his employees go, as the compliance and taxes didn’t warrant their continued employment and the burden managing them. Out in the I.E., we may approach a 20% real unemployment rate, but the CA legislature is doing nothing to promote growth. In fact, after the largest tax increase in history, they still want to increase taxes.

From my perspective, a taste of what is to come from the federal government. Maybe those millions and millions of green jobs will save us though? I’ve always wanted a windmill on top of my car.

[luchabee]

Real-estate right?

Ever tried running a small machine shop or done manufacturing, etc? You want to talk about regulation . . .

Obviously, many business owners in CA are not as nimble, as they are fleeing the state, closing shop, letting people go. My sister-in-law just got laid off from a small firm. Another family member of mine let his employees go, as the compliance and taxes didn’t warrant their continued employment and the burden managing them. Out in the I.E., we may approach a 20% real unemployment rate, but the CA legislature is doing nothing to promote growth. In fact, after the largest tax increase in history, they still want to increase taxes.

From my perspective, a taste of what is to come from the federal government. Maybe those millions and millions of green jobs will save us though? I’ve always wanted a windmill on top of my car.

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