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November 22, 2007 at 11:34 PM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #102923November 22, 2007 at 11:34 PM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #103001
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ParticipantHere is a very interesting article from The Independent regarding covered bonds and monolines (a term I have never heard of before)
“Jeremy Warner’s Outlook: Crisis in credit markets widens further
Published: 23 November 2007
It began with US sub-prime mortgage lending, but, like a rock thrown into the middle of the pond, the impact is progress-ively rippling out to affect all areas of the structured credit markets. The latest casualties include the $3trillion “covered bond” market, where conditions have become so dire that European bankers have agreed to shut up shop and suspend trading until next week.In another worrying sign that the credit crisis is still gaining force rather than subsiding as hoped, questions are now being raised over the future of so-called “monolines”, another previously obscure area of the debt markets which is said to insure some $2.3trillion of structured and US public finance credit. Two mutually owned French banks, Caisse d’Epargne and Banque Populaire, were forced yesterday to provide $1.5bn of rescue finance to one of these bond insurers, CIFG, after credit rating agencies threatened to strip the organisation of its triple-A rating.”
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/comment/article3187168.ece
This could become a Major story in this credit crisis
“Monolines, most of them Bermuda-based and therefore outside the orbit of frontline banking regulation, provide bond insurance, so that even when the underlying security defaults, principle and interest is paid when due. The availability of credit insurance of this sort has encouraged banks to write more loans, confident in the knowledge that they can sell on the ones already made on a fully insured basis.
Yet if the insurer cannot pay, then the credit risk comes bouncing back. And if the monolines are all about to be downgraded then, a bit like Northern Rock, they will struggle to find the counterparties willing to sign up to the other side of the contract. Funding for the insurance provided will dry up”
beginning of last paragraph in article;
“It’s also worth remembering that a bank doesn’t have to write down an insured loan even when the loan is turning sour. Yet if the insurer goes bust, then all bets are off.”
Man….this thing just keeps going and going and going!
November 22, 2007 at 11:34 PM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #103012LA_Renter
ParticipantHere is a very interesting article from The Independent regarding covered bonds and monolines (a term I have never heard of before)
“Jeremy Warner’s Outlook: Crisis in credit markets widens further
Published: 23 November 2007
It began with US sub-prime mortgage lending, but, like a rock thrown into the middle of the pond, the impact is progress-ively rippling out to affect all areas of the structured credit markets. The latest casualties include the $3trillion “covered bond” market, where conditions have become so dire that European bankers have agreed to shut up shop and suspend trading until next week.In another worrying sign that the credit crisis is still gaining force rather than subsiding as hoped, questions are now being raised over the future of so-called “monolines”, another previously obscure area of the debt markets which is said to insure some $2.3trillion of structured and US public finance credit. Two mutually owned French banks, Caisse d’Epargne and Banque Populaire, were forced yesterday to provide $1.5bn of rescue finance to one of these bond insurers, CIFG, after credit rating agencies threatened to strip the organisation of its triple-A rating.”
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/comment/article3187168.ece
This could become a Major story in this credit crisis
“Monolines, most of them Bermuda-based and therefore outside the orbit of frontline banking regulation, provide bond insurance, so that even when the underlying security defaults, principle and interest is paid when due. The availability of credit insurance of this sort has encouraged banks to write more loans, confident in the knowledge that they can sell on the ones already made on a fully insured basis.
Yet if the insurer cannot pay, then the credit risk comes bouncing back. And if the monolines are all about to be downgraded then, a bit like Northern Rock, they will struggle to find the counterparties willing to sign up to the other side of the contract. Funding for the insurance provided will dry up”
beginning of last paragraph in article;
“It’s also worth remembering that a bank doesn’t have to write down an insured loan even when the loan is turning sour. Yet if the insurer goes bust, then all bets are off.”
Man….this thing just keeps going and going and going!
November 22, 2007 at 11:34 PM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #103035LA_Renter
ParticipantHere is a very interesting article from The Independent regarding covered bonds and monolines (a term I have never heard of before)
“Jeremy Warner’s Outlook: Crisis in credit markets widens further
Published: 23 November 2007
It began with US sub-prime mortgage lending, but, like a rock thrown into the middle of the pond, the impact is progress-ively rippling out to affect all areas of the structured credit markets. The latest casualties include the $3trillion “covered bond” market, where conditions have become so dire that European bankers have agreed to shut up shop and suspend trading until next week.In another worrying sign that the credit crisis is still gaining force rather than subsiding as hoped, questions are now being raised over the future of so-called “monolines”, another previously obscure area of the debt markets which is said to insure some $2.3trillion of structured and US public finance credit. Two mutually owned French banks, Caisse d’Epargne and Banque Populaire, were forced yesterday to provide $1.5bn of rescue finance to one of these bond insurers, CIFG, after credit rating agencies threatened to strip the organisation of its triple-A rating.”
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/comment/article3187168.ece
This could become a Major story in this credit crisis
“Monolines, most of them Bermuda-based and therefore outside the orbit of frontline banking regulation, provide bond insurance, so that even when the underlying security defaults, principle and interest is paid when due. The availability of credit insurance of this sort has encouraged banks to write more loans, confident in the knowledge that they can sell on the ones already made on a fully insured basis.
Yet if the insurer cannot pay, then the credit risk comes bouncing back. And if the monolines are all about to be downgraded then, a bit like Northern Rock, they will struggle to find the counterparties willing to sign up to the other side of the contract. Funding for the insurance provided will dry up”
beginning of last paragraph in article;
“It’s also worth remembering that a bank doesn’t have to write down an insured loan even when the loan is turning sour. Yet if the insurer goes bust, then all bets are off.”
Man….this thing just keeps going and going and going!
November 22, 2007 at 11:34 PM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #103064LA_Renter
ParticipantHere is a very interesting article from The Independent regarding covered bonds and monolines (a term I have never heard of before)
“Jeremy Warner’s Outlook: Crisis in credit markets widens further
Published: 23 November 2007
It began with US sub-prime mortgage lending, but, like a rock thrown into the middle of the pond, the impact is progress-ively rippling out to affect all areas of the structured credit markets. The latest casualties include the $3trillion “covered bond” market, where conditions have become so dire that European bankers have agreed to shut up shop and suspend trading until next week.In another worrying sign that the credit crisis is still gaining force rather than subsiding as hoped, questions are now being raised over the future of so-called “monolines”, another previously obscure area of the debt markets which is said to insure some $2.3trillion of structured and US public finance credit. Two mutually owned French banks, Caisse d’Epargne and Banque Populaire, were forced yesterday to provide $1.5bn of rescue finance to one of these bond insurers, CIFG, after credit rating agencies threatened to strip the organisation of its triple-A rating.”
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/comment/article3187168.ece
This could become a Major story in this credit crisis
“Monolines, most of them Bermuda-based and therefore outside the orbit of frontline banking regulation, provide bond insurance, so that even when the underlying security defaults, principle and interest is paid when due. The availability of credit insurance of this sort has encouraged banks to write more loans, confident in the knowledge that they can sell on the ones already made on a fully insured basis.
Yet if the insurer cannot pay, then the credit risk comes bouncing back. And if the monolines are all about to be downgraded then, a bit like Northern Rock, they will struggle to find the counterparties willing to sign up to the other side of the contract. Funding for the insurance provided will dry up”
beginning of last paragraph in article;
“It’s also worth remembering that a bank doesn’t have to write down an insured loan even when the loan is turning sour. Yet if the insurer goes bust, then all bets are off.”
Man….this thing just keeps going and going and going!
November 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #102807LA_Renter
ParticipantI anticipate a low volume rally tomorrow. Then the story will focus on the great cosmic question of our day “What will the FED do at the next meeting?” IMO I think the FED is running into a perception problem, I mean you have Cramer and Kudlow throwing tantrums like spoiled little brats and Bennie gives in just to shut them up, at least that is the appearance to the outside world. The Greenspan Put has turned into a Bennie Pushover. The Fed may try to shore up its image that it’s independent of the markets and hold especially in the face of a collapsing currency. I think if the market gets the since the FED will pass at the next meeting it may go into convulsions just to pressure the FED into a cut. of course there many other things that can happen such as slightly stronger Holiday sales that could send retailers into a major sort squeeze or a Wall Street Money Manager Bonus rally etc etc etc. It is definitely interesting theater.
November 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #102885LA_Renter
ParticipantI anticipate a low volume rally tomorrow. Then the story will focus on the great cosmic question of our day “What will the FED do at the next meeting?” IMO I think the FED is running into a perception problem, I mean you have Cramer and Kudlow throwing tantrums like spoiled little brats and Bennie gives in just to shut them up, at least that is the appearance to the outside world. The Greenspan Put has turned into a Bennie Pushover. The Fed may try to shore up its image that it’s independent of the markets and hold especially in the face of a collapsing currency. I think if the market gets the since the FED will pass at the next meeting it may go into convulsions just to pressure the FED into a cut. of course there many other things that can happen such as slightly stronger Holiday sales that could send retailers into a major sort squeeze or a Wall Street Money Manager Bonus rally etc etc etc. It is definitely interesting theater.
November 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #102896LA_Renter
ParticipantI anticipate a low volume rally tomorrow. Then the story will focus on the great cosmic question of our day “What will the FED do at the next meeting?” IMO I think the FED is running into a perception problem, I mean you have Cramer and Kudlow throwing tantrums like spoiled little brats and Bennie gives in just to shut them up, at least that is the appearance to the outside world. The Greenspan Put has turned into a Bennie Pushover. The Fed may try to shore up its image that it’s independent of the markets and hold especially in the face of a collapsing currency. I think if the market gets the since the FED will pass at the next meeting it may go into convulsions just to pressure the FED into a cut. of course there many other things that can happen such as slightly stronger Holiday sales that could send retailers into a major sort squeeze or a Wall Street Money Manager Bonus rally etc etc etc. It is definitely interesting theater.
November 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #102917LA_Renter
ParticipantI anticipate a low volume rally tomorrow. Then the story will focus on the great cosmic question of our day “What will the FED do at the next meeting?” IMO I think the FED is running into a perception problem, I mean you have Cramer and Kudlow throwing tantrums like spoiled little brats and Bennie gives in just to shut them up, at least that is the appearance to the outside world. The Greenspan Put has turned into a Bennie Pushover. The Fed may try to shore up its image that it’s independent of the markets and hold especially in the face of a collapsing currency. I think if the market gets the since the FED will pass at the next meeting it may go into convulsions just to pressure the FED into a cut. of course there many other things that can happen such as slightly stronger Holiday sales that could send retailers into a major sort squeeze or a Wall Street Money Manager Bonus rally etc etc etc. It is definitely interesting theater.
November 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM in reply to: Dow drops 211 in advance of 07 Turkey day and dips to 12,799 #102949LA_Renter
ParticipantI anticipate a low volume rally tomorrow. Then the story will focus on the great cosmic question of our day “What will the FED do at the next meeting?” IMO I think the FED is running into a perception problem, I mean you have Cramer and Kudlow throwing tantrums like spoiled little brats and Bennie gives in just to shut them up, at least that is the appearance to the outside world. The Greenspan Put has turned into a Bennie Pushover. The Fed may try to shore up its image that it’s independent of the markets and hold especially in the face of a collapsing currency. I think if the market gets the since the FED will pass at the next meeting it may go into convulsions just to pressure the FED into a cut. of course there many other things that can happen such as slightly stronger Holiday sales that could send retailers into a major sort squeeze or a Wall Street Money Manager Bonus rally etc etc etc. It is definitely interesting theater.
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