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[quote=briansd1][quote=SK in CV]
And on a related note…you’ve seen quite a few people here say they like some of Ron Paul’s ideas, but still probably won’t vote for him. Here’s why. (and i stole this analogy from someone, somewhere, and I’d love to credit the genius who thought of it, but I have no idea where I read it.) Ron Paul is like an old fashion watermelon. He’s got some sweet sweet fruit. But you just can’t eat it all without getting a mouth full of seeds. Ron Paul just has way too many seeds.
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When I eat pomegranates, I chew and swallow the seeds. That were the antioxidants are.

I wonder, if Ron Paul, when elected president will legalize drugs and prostitution first. Or will he end the Fed first?[/quote]
None of the above.

I think Ron Paul, were he to be elected, would find change very hard to effect.

If you asked Obama on election night 2008 if he thought Guantanamo and the Patriot Act would be going strong or even stronger 4 years later, I imagine he would sincerely answer that that would be impossible.

The reality is that there are very few large organizations where a single executive has absolute power. Certainly the U.S. government and electorate qualifies as a large organization.

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[quote=Arraya]We don’t NEED money to cast an arm or make a computer – these are technical processes.[/quote]
A new chip plant costs about $2 Billion. Takes many years to build, has a lot of real estate, power, and specialized gas needs. You need a fully intact supply chain, financial system, and legal infrastructure to make a microchip.

Hope you don’t spill coffee on your computer…

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Arraya,

If you got your global economic collapse, would I still be able to fly in a jet airplane to Europe? Having some nice wine available on the flight would be nice too.

If not – count me out!

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Dude.

Chem Trails? Really?

I say rainbows are a message from Martians who are going to be pissed when our new rover arrives. Prove me wrong.

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[quote=Bristol Chicken]
Don’t forget the Frontier or the classic Tu-Vu, (Screw View). Only $3.50 per car load.

Fed Mart, Difalco’s,

Oasis, Spring Valley, Home Ave, Del Mar

Fine Arts in PB – attempted to see the midnight showing of ‘The Song Remains The Same’ several times in the 70’s………or maybe that was in the 50’s?[/quote]
DiFalco’s is going wayyy back. White Front and The Chuck Wagon… Roxy theatre in PB…

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[quote=jstoesz][img_assist|nid=15579|title=Duty calls|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=300|height=330][/quote]
Guilty.

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Wow did this thread come back to life!

I’d like to take a little time to consider eaves’ post. Certainly the description of mountain top removal was apalling.

But I couldn’t let the quote below go unchallenged:

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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/this_is_what_revolution_looks_like_20111115/

Welcome to the revolution. Our elites have exposed their hand. They have nothing to offer. They can destroy but they cannot build. They can repress but they cannot lead. They can steal but they cannot share. They can talk but they cannot speak. They are as dead and useless to us as the water-soaked books, tents, sleeping bags, suitcases, food boxes and clothes that were tossed by sanitation workers Tuesday morning into garbage trucks in New York City. They have no ideas, no plans and no vision for the future

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I wonder, rather than the elites no longer innovating or contributing, is that quote more a reflection of the author’s own sense of inadequacy and despondency?

Innovation has by no means stopped. To give just a few recent examples without even trying:

The Boeing 787 (finally)
The iPhone (passé now but what an amazing device)
Skype

While that author is bemoaning soggy sleeping bags and the unfairness of it all, others are following their dreams and changing the world.

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I read up on the civil rights movement and civil rights act a bit.

I thought this photo was interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lyndon_Johnson_meeting_with_civil_rights_leaders.jpg

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I liked your post too.

If the system is rigged, and there is no mechanism within the system for redress, you may have to go outside the system. Fine.

The civil rights movement is a good example of a case where the status quo needed to change and change wasn’t happening.

It’s not clear to me though that our system is rigged, and that there is no mechanism for redress. Yes there are some hedge fund guys that are getting a better tax deal than the rest of us – that loophole could be closed.

But many folks are able to start businesses and is there really any structural limit to their success? Look into the story of the Burt’s Bees lady. How about Dell computer? Dude started it in his dorm room.

Anyone can get student loans *and* grants. The more disadvantaged you are, the more you’ll get. How is that rigged?

I don’t know that the plight of the folks in the parks really matches those of folks that were under the same dictators for decades. Is it *really* as bad here as it is in Libya or Egypt or Tunisia? If we did a comparison of average daily income and hardship versus comfort, I think life would be looking pretty cushy even for the poor here.

If we compare their “mechanisms for redress” versus our system with term limits, a rule of law, a history of regular transfers of power, and an amendable, religion free constitution, are we really in a comparable situation here?

Nevertheless, I suppose Allan could be right and folks could “feel” disempowered and justified in protest. Seems though that there needs to be a large basis in truth before there is enough widespread support to reach a tipping point.

A few folks trying to get out of having to repay their student loans ain’t gonna do it.

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There’s already a Green party, right? OWS could hijack that and get some real candidates going. They could propose some legislation and some platform planks. if Michael Moore and the SEIU ponied up say 5% of their wealth, they’d have some real advertising/campaign funds behind them.

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[quote=paramount][quote=KSMountain]Is freedom of assembly absolute? For example, should folks be able to setup a tent city on the runway at LAX or in the control room at San Onofre?

“Who’s power plant? Our power plant!”. Great…[/quote]

No it isn’t absolute. BTW, here’s the governments idea of freedom of assembly:

[img_assist|nid=15566|title=Freedom of Speech Zone at the 2004 DNC|desc=Freedom of Speech Zone at the 2004 DNC|link=node|align=left|width=440|height=330][/quote]
Nice riposte. You have a point there.

I dunno though, aren’t there many many more avenues for widespread dissemination of ideas, even by the powerless, nowadays?

Not everyone wants a revolution. You get into your forties/fifties, most people have figured out how to manage the world so that it kind of interacts with them in ways they don’t find too noxious – why would they want to trade that for some unknown future offered by people in masks?

Will a Double-Double or a nice scotch still be available after you’ve “improved” everything? That’s what I need to know…

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Is freedom of assembly absolute? For example, should folks be able to setup a tent city on the runway at LAX or in the control room at San Onofre?

“Who’s power plant? Our power plant!”. Great…

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[quote=paramount]
Flu: It only seems that way; the press/elites are highlighting a certain element of the crowd and plastering that all over the MSM.

It’s a PsyOp by the elite.[/quote]
You think the wiring is up to code in these encampments? Do you think there’s an extension cord or two in use? You think tents are flammable? How about the use of space heaters? I imagine a death from CO poisoning was/is only a few weeks away. Mark that prediction.

There’s a reason we have codes and regulations – it’s not to be dicks it’s because tragedies happen and people die and then the survivors demand action to prevent further occurrences. Remember all the folks who died at the nightclub in RI a few years back?

You think the sexual assaults were PsyOps? I don’t. I can easily believe they occurred – very easily. Would you want your 18 old daughter at one? Sure, a great civics lesson and all that, but when you get down to it, would you really encourage your child to dwell in that environment?

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[quote=markmax33][quote=aldante][quote=SD Realtor]Campaigns funded by constituents is not the answer either. The solution is all quite simple:

Any campaign funds contributed by any individual shall be divided equally among all candidates. This includes funds from the candidates themselves.

This gaurantees everyone gets the same amount of money.

No contributions shall be allowed by corporations.

We should also do away with endorsements from any unions or other organization that may have an interest (or presumed interest) in any one candidate or party winning an election.

If we could strip away lobbying, contributions, and endorsements and put the advertising campaigns on equal footings I think we would have very interesting elections.

I think we would also do well to reduce the campaign season and compress the primaries and such so that politicians can spend more time governing and less time campaigning.[/quote]

Sounds pretty good. Attacks the idea that campaign contributions are attached to the first amendment……[/quote]

Until the Supreme Court ruled that they were people and the allowed the PACs. Sounds like legislation from the bench to me.[/quote]
I haven’t read the decision but wasn’t the opinion written by Roberts? He’s a pretty smart cookie. It would be interesting to see what rationale he used to justify the decision.

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Seems like it would make gambling more interesting. “You should see the new guy they got at the Bangalore call center – he’s HUGE…”

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