[KSMountain]

[quote=Shadowfax]SK: I agree. I have not taken the time to read the articles provided but it doesn’t sound like I would agree with what they are promoting–and I consider myself pretty liberal.

I think it would be really enlightening (haha) if all the (major) religions are touched upon in the proper setting–a religious survey course or in the context of a world history course–but none should be overly promoted to the exclusion of others. If certain passages from the koran, the bible, from confuscius or zen or taoist teachings are presented (to name a few), I think that is fine. It gives context to the general survey of a particular religion.

In fact, I think it would be a fantastic project (maybe at the high school level) to present these passages and have the students “compare and contrast” what each is trying to teach–with the outcome being that if you can interpret them with an open mind, you will see that these religions tend to promote the same underlying beliefs which form the basis for our moral system. A project that would promote harmony and counter all the divisiveness that the “devout” from any religion seem to want to promote.

So yes, I am a liberal promoting this idea–in the sense that I don’t want other people telling me (or my kids) that their religion is the “one true religion” or the “one true god.” How can these people be so arrogant as to think that a concept conceived by humans, which starts from the premise that there is something out there bigger than all of us, can be absolutely true, given our human perceptual failings?[/quote]

I agree with your whole post. How can some folks be so sure they are right and everyone else is wrong? Crazy.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Shadowfax]SK: I agree. I have not taken the time to read the articles provided but it doesn’t sound like I would agree with what they are promoting–and I consider myself pretty liberal.

I think it would be really enlightening (haha) if all the (major) religions are touched upon in the proper setting–a religious survey course or in the context of a world history course–but none should be overly promoted to the exclusion of others. If certain passages from the koran, the bible, from confuscius or zen or taoist teachings are presented (to name a few), I think that is fine. It gives context to the general survey of a particular religion.

In fact, I think it would be a fantastic project (maybe at the high school level) to present these passages and have the students “compare and contrast” what each is trying to teach–with the outcome being that if you can interpret them with an open mind, you will see that these religions tend to promote the same underlying beliefs which form the basis for our moral system. A project that would promote harmony and counter all the divisiveness that the “devout” from any religion seem to want to promote.

So yes, I am a liberal promoting this idea–in the sense that I don’t want other people telling me (or my kids) that their religion is the “one true religion” or the “one true god.” How can these people be so arrogant as to think that a concept conceived by humans, which starts from the premise that there is something out there bigger than all of us, can be absolutely true, given our human perceptual failings?[/quote]

I agree with your whole post. How can some folks be so sure they are right and everyone else is wrong? Crazy.

[KSMountain]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]
Word.

[KSMountain]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]
Word.

[KSMountain]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]
Word.

[KSMountain]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]
Word.

[KSMountain]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Guys:

You are missing the points on prop.s

Most prop.s are trying to accomplish things and fighting battles that should be fought in the legislature. That is why we elect these people. If they are not doing those job, the right course of action is to pressure them to accomplish it and change them if needed.

To put some law on the ballot and have people who have less than 10 minutes to decide on issues is the worst way we can run this state. This leads to misleading prop.s, special interests pushing their agendas and 30-second soundbites on TV. This is lawmaking at its worst.

Prop.s should only serve as a check on legislature. Passing one should be a rarity.

Public, please leave legislating to the legislature!!! Your job is to shape the legislature, not to replace them!!![/quote]
Word.

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

Allan and Brian finding agreement on some points? What is the world coming to?

I would also say, responding to the original topic, if you want to vote non-partisan by all means be very skeptical of EVERY SINGLE proposition on the ballot. Default yourself to “no” unless you are quite confident you understand the long term consequences of the thing you’re voting for.

The trajectory of Obama’s presidency is fascinating to me. Personally, I am convinced he is intelligent (Harvard Law Review editor, right?) and surrounds himself with intelligent people.

I can only conclude:
* the problems we face are complex
* there are reasons for some of the policies previous administrations have chosen

Imagine: you are elected into office with a mandate for change, and you have control of the executive and legislative branch…

And yet, you don’t change very much? Why?

I don’t buy the conspiratorial or “they’re all the same” arguments. I think the issue is we don’t have a lot of great options.

That and that the bond market actually controls everything. 🙂

[KSMountain]

[quote=Russell]For decades now our country looks like a terrible reality show called “Battle of the Welfare Queens”. The contestants are racketeers, pimps and prostitutes, who have to put bribes and arrange or pull tricks, to see who gets hit by the pain train and who gets hit by a delicious cream puff. The studio audience gets splattered with blood while the try to catch frosting.[/quote]
Quote of the week? I guess it’s still early…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Russell]For decades now our country looks like a terrible reality show called “Battle of the Welfare Queens”. The contestants are racketeers, pimps and prostitutes, who have to put bribes and arrange or pull tricks, to see who gets hit by the pain train and who gets hit by a delicious cream puff. The studio audience gets splattered with blood while the try to catch frosting.[/quote]
Quote of the week? I guess it’s still early…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Russell]For decades now our country looks like a terrible reality show called “Battle of the Welfare Queens”. The contestants are racketeers, pimps and prostitutes, who have to put bribes and arrange or pull tricks, to see who gets hit by the pain train and who gets hit by a delicious cream puff. The studio audience gets splattered with blood while the try to catch frosting.[/quote]
Quote of the week? I guess it’s still early…

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