[Kilohana]

[quote=Rustico]So what if Obama’s birth certificate says he was Muslim on that particular day when he was born? (again what is wrong with being Muslim?) Mine says I am Catholic. That organization kicked me out a long time ago and I have been agnostic since. I bet a lot of people’s original labels no longer fit them. [/quote]

I happen to agree. The extended Hawaii Birth Certificate contains no additional information that is relevant to Obama’s candidacy.

All that is relevant are the date and place of birth – and the CoLB that was provided by Obama contained that information. The necessary stamps and seals were on the document – making it both legal and authentic.

So why press for the full birth certificate when the CoLB contains sufficient information to determine qualification?

The obvious reason is that the GOP has spent the past several months trying to paint Obama as a secret Muslim and sympathetic to terrorist causes. Getting an official US Government document (Hawaii CoLB) with the word “Muslim” on it would be an affirmation of the claims that the “truthers” have been making. Personally, I don’t see that it matters, but others think it is vital information.

Most of us know better than that. Kids are generally raised with – or exposed to the religion of their parents, but that doesn’t guarantee that they will be followers once they are old enough to decide for themselves.

I think it’s fairly clear that Obama is estranged from the Muslim side of his family. And you’re right – there isn’t anything remarkable with that being his assigned religion on the day of his birth.

I still insist that the complete birth certificate was wanted by 527 groups to be used as a backdrop for one of their “scary, secret Muslim” commercials. There is nothing else of value on that document.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Rustico]So what if Obama’s birth certificate says he was Muslim on that particular day when he was born? (again what is wrong with being Muslim?) Mine says I am Catholic. That organization kicked me out a long time ago and I have been agnostic since. I bet a lot of people’s original labels no longer fit them. [/quote]

I happen to agree. The extended Hawaii Birth Certificate contains no additional information that is relevant to Obama’s candidacy.

All that is relevant are the date and place of birth – and the CoLB that was provided by Obama contained that information. The necessary stamps and seals were on the document – making it both legal and authentic.

So why press for the full birth certificate when the CoLB contains sufficient information to determine qualification?

The obvious reason is that the GOP has spent the past several months trying to paint Obama as a secret Muslim and sympathetic to terrorist causes. Getting an official US Government document (Hawaii CoLB) with the word “Muslim” on it would be an affirmation of the claims that the “truthers” have been making. Personally, I don’t see that it matters, but others think it is vital information.

Most of us know better than that. Kids are generally raised with – or exposed to the religion of their parents, but that doesn’t guarantee that they will be followers once they are old enough to decide for themselves.

I think it’s fairly clear that Obama is estranged from the Muslim side of his family. And you’re right – there isn’t anything remarkable with that being his assigned religion on the day of his birth.

I still insist that the complete birth certificate was wanted by 527 groups to be used as a backdrop for one of their “scary, secret Muslim” commercials. There is nothing else of value on that document.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Rustico]So what if Obama’s birth certificate says he was Muslim on that particular day when he was born? (again what is wrong with being Muslim?) Mine says I am Catholic. That organization kicked me out a long time ago and I have been agnostic since. I bet a lot of people’s original labels no longer fit them. [/quote]

I happen to agree. The extended Hawaii Birth Certificate contains no additional information that is relevant to Obama’s candidacy.

All that is relevant are the date and place of birth – and the CoLB that was provided by Obama contained that information. The necessary stamps and seals were on the document – making it both legal and authentic.

So why press for the full birth certificate when the CoLB contains sufficient information to determine qualification?

The obvious reason is that the GOP has spent the past several months trying to paint Obama as a secret Muslim and sympathetic to terrorist causes. Getting an official US Government document (Hawaii CoLB) with the word “Muslim” on it would be an affirmation of the claims that the “truthers” have been making. Personally, I don’t see that it matters, but others think it is vital information.

Most of us know better than that. Kids are generally raised with – or exposed to the religion of their parents, but that doesn’t guarantee that they will be followers once they are old enough to decide for themselves.

I think it’s fairly clear that Obama is estranged from the Muslim side of his family. And you’re right – there isn’t anything remarkable with that being his assigned religion on the day of his birth.

I still insist that the complete birth certificate was wanted by 527 groups to be used as a backdrop for one of their “scary, secret Muslim” commercials. There is nothing else of value on that document.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Rustico]So what if Obama’s birth certificate says he was Muslim on that particular day when he was born? (again what is wrong with being Muslim?) Mine says I am Catholic. That organization kicked me out a long time ago and I have been agnostic since. I bet a lot of people’s original labels no longer fit them. [/quote]

I happen to agree. The extended Hawaii Birth Certificate contains no additional information that is relevant to Obama’s candidacy.

All that is relevant are the date and place of birth – and the CoLB that was provided by Obama contained that information. The necessary stamps and seals were on the document – making it both legal and authentic.

So why press for the full birth certificate when the CoLB contains sufficient information to determine qualification?

The obvious reason is that the GOP has spent the past several months trying to paint Obama as a secret Muslim and sympathetic to terrorist causes. Getting an official US Government document (Hawaii CoLB) with the word “Muslim” on it would be an affirmation of the claims that the “truthers” have been making. Personally, I don’t see that it matters, but others think it is vital information.

Most of us know better than that. Kids are generally raised with – or exposed to the religion of their parents, but that doesn’t guarantee that they will be followers once they are old enough to decide for themselves.

I think it’s fairly clear that Obama is estranged from the Muslim side of his family. And you’re right – there isn’t anything remarkable with that being his assigned religion on the day of his birth.

I still insist that the complete birth certificate was wanted by 527 groups to be used as a backdrop for one of their “scary, secret Muslim” commercials. There is nothing else of value on that document.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Rustico]So what if Obama’s birth certificate says he was Muslim on that particular day when he was born? (again what is wrong with being Muslim?) Mine says I am Catholic. That organization kicked me out a long time ago and I have been agnostic since. I bet a lot of people’s original labels no longer fit them. [/quote]

I happen to agree. The extended Hawaii Birth Certificate contains no additional information that is relevant to Obama’s candidacy.

All that is relevant are the date and place of birth – and the CoLB that was provided by Obama contained that information. The necessary stamps and seals were on the document – making it both legal and authentic.

So why press for the full birth certificate when the CoLB contains sufficient information to determine qualification?

The obvious reason is that the GOP has spent the past several months trying to paint Obama as a secret Muslim and sympathetic to terrorist causes. Getting an official US Government document (Hawaii CoLB) with the word “Muslim” on it would be an affirmation of the claims that the “truthers” have been making. Personally, I don’t see that it matters, but others think it is vital information.

Most of us know better than that. Kids are generally raised with – or exposed to the religion of their parents, but that doesn’t guarantee that they will be followers once they are old enough to decide for themselves.

I think it’s fairly clear that Obama is estranged from the Muslim side of his family. And you’re right – there isn’t anything remarkable with that being his assigned religion on the day of his birth.

I still insist that the complete birth certificate was wanted by 527 groups to be used as a backdrop for one of their “scary, secret Muslim” commercials. There is nothing else of value on that document.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Enorah]http://www.examiner.com/a-1666928~State_declares_Obama_birth_certificate_genuine.html

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008 3:43 PM (3 hrs ago) AP

HONOLULU (News) – State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
[/quote]

Well, you’ve completely ignored the fact that Berg and his supporters believe EVERYONE is in on it – including the entire Hawaii state government and their Republican Governor and friend of Sarah Palin, Linda Lingle.

There is nothing you can say or do to prevent them from believing this is a conspiracy. They even claim Obama flew out there not to see his dying grandmother – but to get his paperwork shuffled around. (Despite the fact that he never went to the department of Health when he was there…)

Berg believes that the US attacked itself on 9/11 and there isn’t a thing in the world that would convince him otherwise. i think this is just another one that he won’t let go of. I have come across a variety of “truthers” in my life. Some were convinced that the moon landing was faked. Others were convinced that the Holocaust was fake. Trust me – there is nothing you can say to them – or even show them to get them to see the light. They need controversy and conspiracy. It’s part of who they are.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Enorah]http://www.examiner.com/a-1666928~State_declares_Obama_birth_certificate_genuine.html

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008 3:43 PM (3 hrs ago) AP

HONOLULU (News) – State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
[/quote]

Well, you’ve completely ignored the fact that Berg and his supporters believe EVERYONE is in on it – including the entire Hawaii state government and their Republican Governor and friend of Sarah Palin, Linda Lingle.

There is nothing you can say or do to prevent them from believing this is a conspiracy. They even claim Obama flew out there not to see his dying grandmother – but to get his paperwork shuffled around. (Despite the fact that he never went to the department of Health when he was there…)

Berg believes that the US attacked itself on 9/11 and there isn’t a thing in the world that would convince him otherwise. i think this is just another one that he won’t let go of. I have come across a variety of “truthers” in my life. Some were convinced that the moon landing was faked. Others were convinced that the Holocaust was fake. Trust me – there is nothing you can say to them – or even show them to get them to see the light. They need controversy and conspiracy. It’s part of who they are.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Enorah]http://www.examiner.com/a-1666928~State_declares_Obama_birth_certificate_genuine.html

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008 3:43 PM (3 hrs ago) AP

HONOLULU (News) – State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
[/quote]

Well, you’ve completely ignored the fact that Berg and his supporters believe EVERYONE is in on it – including the entire Hawaii state government and their Republican Governor and friend of Sarah Palin, Linda Lingle.

There is nothing you can say or do to prevent them from believing this is a conspiracy. They even claim Obama flew out there not to see his dying grandmother – but to get his paperwork shuffled around. (Despite the fact that he never went to the department of Health when he was there…)

Berg believes that the US attacked itself on 9/11 and there isn’t a thing in the world that would convince him otherwise. i think this is just another one that he won’t let go of. I have come across a variety of “truthers” in my life. Some were convinced that the moon landing was faked. Others were convinced that the Holocaust was fake. Trust me – there is nothing you can say to them – or even show them to get them to see the light. They need controversy and conspiracy. It’s part of who they are.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Enorah]http://www.examiner.com/a-1666928~State_declares_Obama_birth_certificate_genuine.html

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008 3:43 PM (3 hrs ago) AP

HONOLULU (News) – State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
[/quote]

Well, you’ve completely ignored the fact that Berg and his supporters believe EVERYONE is in on it – including the entire Hawaii state government and their Republican Governor and friend of Sarah Palin, Linda Lingle.

There is nothing you can say or do to prevent them from believing this is a conspiracy. They even claim Obama flew out there not to see his dying grandmother – but to get his paperwork shuffled around. (Despite the fact that he never went to the department of Health when he was there…)

Berg believes that the US attacked itself on 9/11 and there isn’t a thing in the world that would convince him otherwise. i think this is just another one that he won’t let go of. I have come across a variety of “truthers” in my life. Some were convinced that the moon landing was faked. Others were convinced that the Holocaust was fake. Trust me – there is nothing you can say to them – or even show them to get them to see the light. They need controversy and conspiracy. It’s part of who they are.

[Kilohana]

[quote=Enorah]http://www.examiner.com/a-1666928~State_declares_Obama_birth_certificate_genuine.html

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008 3:43 PM (3 hrs ago) AP

HONOLULU (News) – State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
[/quote]

Well, you’ve completely ignored the fact that Berg and his supporters believe EVERYONE is in on it – including the entire Hawaii state government and their Republican Governor and friend of Sarah Palin, Linda Lingle.

There is nothing you can say or do to prevent them from believing this is a conspiracy. They even claim Obama flew out there not to see his dying grandmother – but to get his paperwork shuffled around. (Despite the fact that he never went to the department of Health when he was there…)

Berg believes that the US attacked itself on 9/11 and there isn’t a thing in the world that would convince him otherwise. i think this is just another one that he won’t let go of. I have come across a variety of “truthers” in my life. Some were convinced that the moon landing was faked. Others were convinced that the Holocaust was fake. Trust me – there is nothing you can say to them – or even show them to get them to see the light. They need controversy and conspiracy. It’s part of who they are.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette]Socrattt,

Thank you for your post. Concerning Corsi, he was scheduled to give a 1.30 pm press conference to annouce his findings. When he arrived at the facility to give it he was arrested. He was not actually deported because he was held for ransom. He had to bribe the local officals to leave the country.

Supposely he was going to say that Obama’s Granny in Kenya claims to have been in the delivery room when Obama was born in Kenya.

John[/quote]

Provided that the Kenyan grandmother gives verbal testimony in a US court of law – is this testimony alone enough to invalidate official Hawaii State Dept. records? Honestly… Can an estranged family member (not even a US citizen) make an unsupported claim that completely contradicts numerous official documents – and cause the loss of citizenship?

Doesn’t that bother anyone else? Sounds to me like this would be a loophole just wide enough for revenge, spitefulness and vendettas. Do foreigners really hold this kind of power above us? One accusation and your citizenship is revoked? Why bother having birth certificates if they can be challenged by anyone with an ax to grind? (Without supporting evidence, no less!)

Absent a legal birth record from Kenya, the claim is insufficient. Even if a Kenyan record is found, it has to stand up against official US government records. I just don’t see that happening. Kenya’s records would be suspect regardless of the situation.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette]Socrattt,

Thank you for your post. Concerning Corsi, he was scheduled to give a 1.30 pm press conference to annouce his findings. When he arrived at the facility to give it he was arrested. He was not actually deported because he was held for ransom. He had to bribe the local officals to leave the country.

Supposely he was going to say that Obama’s Granny in Kenya claims to have been in the delivery room when Obama was born in Kenya.

John[/quote]

Provided that the Kenyan grandmother gives verbal testimony in a US court of law – is this testimony alone enough to invalidate official Hawaii State Dept. records? Honestly… Can an estranged family member (not even a US citizen) make an unsupported claim that completely contradicts numerous official documents – and cause the loss of citizenship?

Doesn’t that bother anyone else? Sounds to me like this would be a loophole just wide enough for revenge, spitefulness and vendettas. Do foreigners really hold this kind of power above us? One accusation and your citizenship is revoked? Why bother having birth certificates if they can be challenged by anyone with an ax to grind? (Without supporting evidence, no less!)

Absent a legal birth record from Kenya, the claim is insufficient. Even if a Kenyan record is found, it has to stand up against official US government records. I just don’t see that happening. Kenya’s records would be suspect regardless of the situation.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette]Socrattt,

Thank you for your post. Concerning Corsi, he was scheduled to give a 1.30 pm press conference to annouce his findings. When he arrived at the facility to give it he was arrested. He was not actually deported because he was held for ransom. He had to bribe the local officals to leave the country.

Supposely he was going to say that Obama’s Granny in Kenya claims to have been in the delivery room when Obama was born in Kenya.

John[/quote]

Provided that the Kenyan grandmother gives verbal testimony in a US court of law – is this testimony alone enough to invalidate official Hawaii State Dept. records? Honestly… Can an estranged family member (not even a US citizen) make an unsupported claim that completely contradicts numerous official documents – and cause the loss of citizenship?

Doesn’t that bother anyone else? Sounds to me like this would be a loophole just wide enough for revenge, spitefulness and vendettas. Do foreigners really hold this kind of power above us? One accusation and your citizenship is revoked? Why bother having birth certificates if they can be challenged by anyone with an ax to grind? (Without supporting evidence, no less!)

Absent a legal birth record from Kenya, the claim is insufficient. Even if a Kenyan record is found, it has to stand up against official US government records. I just don’t see that happening. Kenya’s records would be suspect regardless of the situation.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette]Socrattt,

Thank you for your post. Concerning Corsi, he was scheduled to give a 1.30 pm press conference to annouce his findings. When he arrived at the facility to give it he was arrested. He was not actually deported because he was held for ransom. He had to bribe the local officals to leave the country.

Supposely he was going to say that Obama’s Granny in Kenya claims to have been in the delivery room when Obama was born in Kenya.

John[/quote]

Provided that the Kenyan grandmother gives verbal testimony in a US court of law – is this testimony alone enough to invalidate official Hawaii State Dept. records? Honestly… Can an estranged family member (not even a US citizen) make an unsupported claim that completely contradicts numerous official documents – and cause the loss of citizenship?

Doesn’t that bother anyone else? Sounds to me like this would be a loophole just wide enough for revenge, spitefulness and vendettas. Do foreigners really hold this kind of power above us? One accusation and your citizenship is revoked? Why bother having birth certificates if they can be challenged by anyone with an ax to grind? (Without supporting evidence, no less!)

Absent a legal birth record from Kenya, the claim is insufficient. Even if a Kenyan record is found, it has to stand up against official US government records. I just don’t see that happening. Kenya’s records would be suspect regardless of the situation.

[Kilohana]

[quote=jficquette]Socrattt,

Thank you for your post. Concerning Corsi, he was scheduled to give a 1.30 pm press conference to annouce his findings. When he arrived at the facility to give it he was arrested. He was not actually deported because he was held for ransom. He had to bribe the local officals to leave the country.

Supposely he was going to say that Obama’s Granny in Kenya claims to have been in the delivery room when Obama was born in Kenya.

John[/quote]

Provided that the Kenyan grandmother gives verbal testimony in a US court of law – is this testimony alone enough to invalidate official Hawaii State Dept. records? Honestly… Can an estranged family member (not even a US citizen) make an unsupported claim that completely contradicts numerous official documents – and cause the loss of citizenship?

Doesn’t that bother anyone else? Sounds to me like this would be a loophole just wide enough for revenge, spitefulness and vendettas. Do foreigners really hold this kind of power above us? One accusation and your citizenship is revoked? Why bother having birth certificates if they can be challenged by anyone with an ax to grind? (Without supporting evidence, no less!)

Absent a legal birth record from Kenya, the claim is insufficient. Even if a Kenyan record is found, it has to stand up against official US government records. I just don’t see that happening. Kenya’s records would be suspect regardless of the situation.

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