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ParticipantI cannot believe that some people are suggesting that overall this is good for the local economy. It’s not. Its going to be good for a tiny segment of the workforce who deal directly with the rebuilding process, but most everyone else will be effected, for the negative.
The money coming in, will be insurance payouts, which almost never equal the total net loss. Paying to rebuild a structure still leaves the homeowner footing the bill for a huge gap for things that insurance doesn’t cover. So the homeowners who lost property are mostly all net losers here.
A few businesses which sell items needed for reconstruction will see a short term bump. But many businesses which depend on things like tourism, or discretionariy spending, will be hurt because homeowners trying to rebuild won’t be going to Legoland, or buying boats, or taking vacations.
Who is going to pay for the cost to fight the fires? FEMA? The Feds? State and Local taxes? Yep… And just exactly who pays for those? Every taxpayer, including local San Diego tax payers. Either their taxes will go up, or that money will get diverted from other projects, to pay for the fire efforts. The bridge and sewer companies who were slated to win jobs in 2008, might have to wait until the budget recovers before they can start their projects. That’s not profit, that’s diversion of money to pay for lost opportunity.
If you thought there were no buyers for SD property before, what do you think will happen now? All those houses untouched by fires, just lost a definite percentage of potential buyers. Sales will slow even more than before the fires.
Not to mention how many people who lost how many man hours of work and various productivity due to time spend evacuated… that money will never be returned. Many small business lose revenue that won’t be replaced.
Carpenters, roofers, contrators and Home Depot will win in the short term. Almost every one else loses in the long term.
I work in the Disaster Recovery industry, so trust me, I know. Natural disasters are not good for the local economy.
ParticipantI cannot believe that some people are suggesting that overall this is good for the local economy. It’s not. Its going to be good for a tiny segment of the workforce who deal directly with the rebuilding process, but most everyone else will be effected, for the negative.
The money coming in, will be insurance payouts, which almost never equal the total net loss. Paying to rebuild a structure still leaves the homeowner footing the bill for a huge gap for things that insurance doesn’t cover. So the homeowners who lost property are mostly all net losers here.
A few businesses which sell items needed for reconstruction will see a short term bump. But many businesses which depend on things like tourism, or discretionariy spending, will be hurt because homeowners trying to rebuild won’t be going to Legoland, or buying boats, or taking vacations.
Who is going to pay for the cost to fight the fires? FEMA? The Feds? State and Local taxes? Yep… And just exactly who pays for those? Every taxpayer, including local San Diego tax payers. Either their taxes will go up, or that money will get diverted from other projects, to pay for the fire efforts. The bridge and sewer companies who were slated to win jobs in 2008, might have to wait until the budget recovers before they can start their projects. That’s not profit, that’s diversion of money to pay for lost opportunity.
If you thought there were no buyers for SD property before, what do you think will happen now? All those houses untouched by fires, just lost a definite percentage of potential buyers. Sales will slow even more than before the fires.
Not to mention how many people who lost how many man hours of work and various productivity due to time spend evacuated… that money will never be returned. Many small business lose revenue that won’t be replaced.
Carpenters, roofers, contrators and Home Depot will win in the short term. Almost every one else loses in the long term.
I work in the Disaster Recovery industry, so trust me, I know. Natural disasters are not good for the local economy.
ParticipantThose fire tankers don’t fly at night for safety reasons, and they aren’t much help in 40 mph winds either. Its not like the fire dept as a whole sat around wondering what to do. Sometimes Mother Nature is just too powerful to be stopped.
ParticipantThose fire tankers don’t fly at night for safety reasons, and they aren’t much help in 40 mph winds either. Its not like the fire dept as a whole sat around wondering what to do. Sometimes Mother Nature is just too powerful to be stopped.
ParticipantThose fire tankers don’t fly at night for safety reasons, and they aren’t much help in 40 mph winds either. Its not like the fire dept as a whole sat around wondering what to do. Sometimes Mother Nature is just too powerful to be stopped.
ParticipantIn San Diego county, as long is its above a certain size, yes it needs a permit. The limit, with certain exceptions, is 300 sq ft of roof area, or 12 feet above grade. 12×20 would be 240 sq ft, so that might not need a permit. There are also special rules for certain coastal zones. So to be sure, you need to research SD patio cover codes, which you can find here:
http://www.sandiego.gov/development-services/industry/pdf/infobulletin/ib206.pdf
By the way, the process for obtaining a permit for a custom patio cover, is a mega PITA. If you use the county’s plans for a patio cover, you can get approval for a “no plan permit” which is easier, but still not fun. Count on 3 trips to city hall downtown to get through the process. Long live bureaucracy.
ParticipantIn San Diego county, as long is its above a certain size, yes it needs a permit. The limit, with certain exceptions, is 300 sq ft of roof area, or 12 feet above grade. 12×20 would be 240 sq ft, so that might not need a permit. There are also special rules for certain coastal zones. So to be sure, you need to research SD patio cover codes, which you can find here:
http://www.sandiego.gov/development-services/industry/pdf/infobulletin/ib206.pdf
By the way, the process for obtaining a permit for a custom patio cover, is a mega PITA. If you use the county’s plans for a patio cover, you can get approval for a “no plan permit” which is easier, but still not fun. Count on 3 trips to city hall downtown to get through the process. Long live bureaucracy.
ParticipantPre fab aluminium can be cheaper than wood if you use a pre made kit that doesn’t allow for customization. If you need a specific size or shape and a pre made aluminium kit won’t work, customizing aluminum to fit your needs can get more expensive than using wood. Good wood, with proper treatment, will resist rot for a very long time. Some people love natural wood, others don’t care.
I don’t recommend doing it your self, much of the job is a two person effort, especially if you use larger wood. Hoisting a 20′ 4×12 frame member 12 feet up in the air is not easy by your self.
Also there are plenty of codes that need to be followed, not the least of which is how you mount the ledger to your house. Mess that up and the problems are immense.
Another thing, your cost will vary depending on if you get a licensed contractor who gets a permit, or a free lance carpenter guy who doesn’t get a permit. Its your choice, but I think the risk of potentially having to tear it all apart and start over outweighs any potential savings.
ParticipantPre fab aluminium can be cheaper than wood if you use a pre made kit that doesn’t allow for customization. If you need a specific size or shape and a pre made aluminium kit won’t work, customizing aluminum to fit your needs can get more expensive than using wood. Good wood, with proper treatment, will resist rot for a very long time. Some people love natural wood, others don’t care.
I don’t recommend doing it your self, much of the job is a two person effort, especially if you use larger wood. Hoisting a 20′ 4×12 frame member 12 feet up in the air is not easy by your self.
Also there are plenty of codes that need to be followed, not the least of which is how you mount the ledger to your house. Mess that up and the problems are immense.
Another thing, your cost will vary depending on if you get a licensed contractor who gets a permit, or a free lance carpenter guy who doesn’t get a permit. Its your choice, but I think the risk of potentially having to tear it all apart and start over outweighs any potential savings.
ParticipantI spent a year building patio covers for a living. YOur price for a 12×20 should be between $3000 and $10K depending on a lot of factors, such as if you use prefab vinyl or wood, and how many decorative enhancements like routering edges and decorative corbels you want. Also, you can save money by going with thinner wood, like 4×4 posts vs more sturdy 6×6 posts, and 1×6 joists vs 2×8’s. YOu’ll have a thinner, toothpick looking result, but you’ll save money.
I disagree that using lattice, or those parallel slats you see on a typical SoCal patio cover, is useless. It blocks out a large percentage of sun and reduces the temp of your patio by a great deal. Full roofs block 100% and lower temps a little more, but lattice still works, and looks nice.
Get three quotes… you should see a range between $3K and $10K.
ParticipantI spent a year building patio covers for a living. YOur price for a 12×20 should be between $3000 and $10K depending on a lot of factors, such as if you use prefab vinyl or wood, and how many decorative enhancements like routering edges and decorative corbels you want. Also, you can save money by going with thinner wood, like 4×4 posts vs more sturdy 6×6 posts, and 1×6 joists vs 2×8’s. YOu’ll have a thinner, toothpick looking result, but you’ll save money.
I disagree that using lattice, or those parallel slats you see on a typical SoCal patio cover, is useless. It blocks out a large percentage of sun and reduces the temp of your patio by a great deal. Full roofs block 100% and lower temps a little more, but lattice still works, and looks nice.
Get three quotes… you should see a range between $3K and $10K.
ParticipantThat is classic. I wonder if there is even anything illegal about that maneuver? Even if you’re under a mortgage, you’re free to add or remove various items from your house. I’m surprised more FBs don’t pull that stunt and strip the house clean before turning the keys over the the real FB (effed bank).
ParticipantThat is classic. I wonder if there is even anything illegal about that maneuver? Even if you’re under a mortgage, you’re free to add or remove various items from your house. I’m surprised more FBs don’t pull that stunt and strip the house clean before turning the keys over the the real FB (effed bank).
October 2, 2007 at 2:08 PM in reply to: 12 reductions, 533 days on market, still no buyer, Mira Mesa #86742ParticipantFor real, that house is right next to Betelgeuse Road… it’s friggin haunted!
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