[kicksavedave]

SD R, I posted about how angry the loan mods make me, primarily the “principal reduction” crapola. I even posted about PennyMac in the other thread, they are a potential customer of my company, that’s how I found out about them last month. And the more I think about these bulk purchases, the more I realize that the main problem here is simply that the comps are not being well publicized. That’s what needs to happen here. Someone with the energy needs to make a web site that discloses the prices paid at these bulk sales, so that future buys know the real value, or at least have a sense of where the floor is.

Still, the concept of buying in bulk and selling one-at-a-time for a slight margin is hardly new, hardly unethical, and not the real problem here. The problem is buyers of non bulk properties getting bad comps because they are only seeing one source, only seeing half of the actual sales. Really its the appraisers that need to get hip to this scene.

[kicksavedave]

SD R, I posted about how angry the loan mods make me, primarily the “principal reduction” crapola. I even posted about PennyMac in the other thread, they are a potential customer of my company, that’s how I found out about them last month. And the more I think about these bulk purchases, the more I realize that the main problem here is simply that the comps are not being well publicized. That’s what needs to happen here. Someone with the energy needs to make a web site that discloses the prices paid at these bulk sales, so that future buys know the real value, or at least have a sense of where the floor is.

Still, the concept of buying in bulk and selling one-at-a-time for a slight margin is hardly new, hardly unethical, and not the real problem here. The problem is buyers of non bulk properties getting bad comps because they are only seeing one source, only seeing half of the actual sales. Really its the appraisers that need to get hip to this scene.

[kicksavedave]

SD R, I posted about how angry the loan mods make me, primarily the “principal reduction” crapola. I even posted about PennyMac in the other thread, they are a potential customer of my company, that’s how I found out about them last month. And the more I think about these bulk purchases, the more I realize that the main problem here is simply that the comps are not being well publicized. That’s what needs to happen here. Someone with the energy needs to make a web site that discloses the prices paid at these bulk sales, so that future buys know the real value, or at least have a sense of where the floor is.

Still, the concept of buying in bulk and selling one-at-a-time for a slight margin is hardly new, hardly unethical, and not the real problem here. The problem is buyers of non bulk properties getting bad comps because they are only seeing one source, only seeing half of the actual sales. Really its the appraisers that need to get hip to this scene.

[kicksavedave]

SD R, I posted about how angry the loan mods make me, primarily the “principal reduction” crapola. I even posted about PennyMac in the other thread, they are a potential customer of my company, that’s how I found out about them last month. And the more I think about these bulk purchases, the more I realize that the main problem here is simply that the comps are not being well publicized. That’s what needs to happen here. Someone with the energy needs to make a web site that discloses the prices paid at these bulk sales, so that future buys know the real value, or at least have a sense of where the floor is.

Still, the concept of buying in bulk and selling one-at-a-time for a slight margin is hardly new, hardly unethical, and not the real problem here. The problem is buyers of non bulk properties getting bad comps because they are only seeing one source, only seeing half of the actual sales. Really its the appraisers that need to get hip to this scene.

[kicksavedave]

SD R, I posted about how angry the loan mods make me, primarily the “principal reduction” crapola. I even posted about PennyMac in the other thread, they are a potential customer of my company, that’s how I found out about them last month. And the more I think about these bulk purchases, the more I realize that the main problem here is simply that the comps are not being well publicized. That’s what needs to happen here. Someone with the energy needs to make a web site that discloses the prices paid at these bulk sales, so that future buys know the real value, or at least have a sense of where the floor is.

Still, the concept of buying in bulk and selling one-at-a-time for a slight margin is hardly new, hardly unethical, and not the real problem here. The problem is buyers of non bulk properties getting bad comps because they are only seeing one source, only seeing half of the actual sales. Really its the appraisers that need to get hip to this scene.

[kicksavedave]

Rather than try to compete directly against the bulk buyers and all their millions, why not fight em a different way. Publicize what they are doing and make their bulk buy prices known to the public. If the public knew they were buying these dumps for $250, they wouldn’t be paying them $350 as willingly. If enough people know about it, and enough people stay away from them, eventually they will bring their prices back down. I realize its a horrendous long shot, but it’s easier to fight them with information – like these blogs – than with cash. They have too much cash, but the power of information is priceless.

Heck, put a sign on every one of their properties that says “bought in bulk for $XXX”. As soon as their profits erode, they’ll quit the business, like all the other flippers du jour.

[kicksavedave]

Rather than try to compete directly against the bulk buyers and all their millions, why not fight em a different way. Publicize what they are doing and make their bulk buy prices known to the public. If the public knew they were buying these dumps for $250, they wouldn’t be paying them $350 as willingly. If enough people know about it, and enough people stay away from them, eventually they will bring their prices back down. I realize its a horrendous long shot, but it’s easier to fight them with information – like these blogs – than with cash. They have too much cash, but the power of information is priceless.

Heck, put a sign on every one of their properties that says “bought in bulk for $XXX”. As soon as their profits erode, they’ll quit the business, like all the other flippers du jour.

[kicksavedave]

Rather than try to compete directly against the bulk buyers and all their millions, why not fight em a different way. Publicize what they are doing and make their bulk buy prices known to the public. If the public knew they were buying these dumps for $250, they wouldn’t be paying them $350 as willingly. If enough people know about it, and enough people stay away from them, eventually they will bring their prices back down. I realize its a horrendous long shot, but it’s easier to fight them with information – like these blogs – than with cash. They have too much cash, but the power of information is priceless.

Heck, put a sign on every one of their properties that says “bought in bulk for $XXX”. As soon as their profits erode, they’ll quit the business, like all the other flippers du jour.

[kicksavedave]

Rather than try to compete directly against the bulk buyers and all their millions, why not fight em a different way. Publicize what they are doing and make their bulk buy prices known to the public. If the public knew they were buying these dumps for $250, they wouldn’t be paying them $350 as willingly. If enough people know about it, and enough people stay away from them, eventually they will bring their prices back down. I realize its a horrendous long shot, but it’s easier to fight them with information – like these blogs – than with cash. They have too much cash, but the power of information is priceless.

Heck, put a sign on every one of their properties that says “bought in bulk for $XXX”. As soon as their profits erode, they’ll quit the business, like all the other flippers du jour.

[kicksavedave]

Rather than try to compete directly against the bulk buyers and all their millions, why not fight em a different way. Publicize what they are doing and make their bulk buy prices known to the public. If the public knew they were buying these dumps for $250, they wouldn’t be paying them $350 as willingly. If enough people know about it, and enough people stay away from them, eventually they will bring their prices back down. I realize its a horrendous long shot, but it’s easier to fight them with information – like these blogs – than with cash. They have too much cash, but the power of information is priceless.

Heck, put a sign on every one of their properties that says “bought in bulk for $XXX”. As soon as their profits erode, they’ll quit the business, like all the other flippers du jour.

[kicksavedave]

I agree with SD R on this one. This might not be fair to individual buyers, or people like many of us Piggs who are saving to buy some day and hoping prices continue to fall. Not good news for us, no doubt. This is definitely creating a false bottom, or at least changing the curve on this decline.

But the reality is that until the banks get these toxic assets off their books, then the banks will just be frozen. Frozen banks means frozen economy. Frozen economy means most of us are at some risk of hardship, either layoffs, losing a business, or simply losing your quality of life in some way. Very few individuals benefit from a huge recession/depression. I know I’m nervous. Aren’t you? Some of us are stocking up on guns and canned food.

In the big picture, this is the best way for the banks to get past this mortgage mess. Sell em in bulk and move on, even if their loss margin is a few points higher overall – the carrying costs are killing them as much as the depreciation is. One-at-a-timing these houses will take a (lost) decade, and it’s pretty clear the banks aren’t equipped to process these foreclosures like that. This was almost predictable, inevitable even.

I think it creates a new bottom, or softens the rate of decline artificially. But that is in the banks best interest, and the best interest of many current homeowners as well. Its just not in the best interest of many of us Piggs.

Such is life.

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]

The bottom line is this. Nobody will EVER be able to get as good a deal as these investors do who buy in bulk. They buy in bulk and that is why they get such steep discounts. This is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD for distressed banks. Unloading the inventory and unwinding these non performing securities is the first of many steps. Once the property belongs to these investment groups they can spin em, flip em, rent em, or do whatever the hell they want. It is how we get to a more stable base like it or not.
[/quote]

Gotta disagree with this being the “best thing” for banks. If banks (that are backed by taxpayers, BTW) can get $200K for a property instead of $100K, then it’s best for the banks (and taxpayers!) if the sales are made on the open market.

Since WE own or back the mortgage market and all the “toxic assets” these days, then we need to get the highest possible return on our “investments.”

What we NEED is a federal auction website for all REOs and short-sales in the country. Bidders have to be qualified through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and all bid/ask information must be FULLY TRANSPARENT. It should be mandated that properties be listed immediately upon trustee sale, and that the listing remain for a set period of time (like 30 days). All during that time, the house is available for inspections via govt lockbox, and bids are placed like on e-bay — fully transparent as to the amount and the bidder. Each bidder (can be individual or entity) can get only one user ID, so their bids and purchases can be tracked.

After the 30-day period, the property sells to the highest bidder. If any fraud or problems come up with a particular bidder, they are banned from bidding in any future auction.

Why would we not do this (except that it would make it less profitable for the fraudsters who brought us into this mess)?[/quote]

[kicksavedave]

I agree with SD R on this one. This might not be fair to individual buyers, or people like many of us Piggs who are saving to buy some day and hoping prices continue to fall. Not good news for us, no doubt. This is definitely creating a false bottom, or at least changing the curve on this decline.

But the reality is that until the banks get these toxic assets off their books, then the banks will just be frozen. Frozen banks means frozen economy. Frozen economy means most of us are at some risk of hardship, either layoffs, losing a business, or simply losing your quality of life in some way. Very few individuals benefit from a huge recession/depression. I know I’m nervous. Aren’t you? Some of us are stocking up on guns and canned food.

In the big picture, this is the best way for the banks to get past this mortgage mess. Sell em in bulk and move on, even if their loss margin is a few points higher overall – the carrying costs are killing them as much as the depreciation is. One-at-a-timing these houses will take a (lost) decade, and it’s pretty clear the banks aren’t equipped to process these foreclosures like that. This was almost predictable, inevitable even.

I think it creates a new bottom, or softens the rate of decline artificially. But that is in the banks best interest, and the best interest of many current homeowners as well. Its just not in the best interest of many of us Piggs.

Such is life.

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]

The bottom line is this. Nobody will EVER be able to get as good a deal as these investors do who buy in bulk. They buy in bulk and that is why they get such steep discounts. This is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD for distressed banks. Unloading the inventory and unwinding these non performing securities is the first of many steps. Once the property belongs to these investment groups they can spin em, flip em, rent em, or do whatever the hell they want. It is how we get to a more stable base like it or not.
[/quote]

Gotta disagree with this being the “best thing” for banks. If banks (that are backed by taxpayers, BTW) can get $200K for a property instead of $100K, then it’s best for the banks (and taxpayers!) if the sales are made on the open market.

Since WE own or back the mortgage market and all the “toxic assets” these days, then we need to get the highest possible return on our “investments.”

What we NEED is a federal auction website for all REOs and short-sales in the country. Bidders have to be qualified through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and all bid/ask information must be FULLY TRANSPARENT. It should be mandated that properties be listed immediately upon trustee sale, and that the listing remain for a set period of time (like 30 days). All during that time, the house is available for inspections via govt lockbox, and bids are placed like on e-bay — fully transparent as to the amount and the bidder. Each bidder (can be individual or entity) can get only one user ID, so their bids and purchases can be tracked.

After the 30-day period, the property sells to the highest bidder. If any fraud or problems come up with a particular bidder, they are banned from bidding in any future auction.

Why would we not do this (except that it would make it less profitable for the fraudsters who brought us into this mess)?[/quote]

[kicksavedave]

I agree with SD R on this one. This might not be fair to individual buyers, or people like many of us Piggs who are saving to buy some day and hoping prices continue to fall. Not good news for us, no doubt. This is definitely creating a false bottom, or at least changing the curve on this decline.

But the reality is that until the banks get these toxic assets off their books, then the banks will just be frozen. Frozen banks means frozen economy. Frozen economy means most of us are at some risk of hardship, either layoffs, losing a business, or simply losing your quality of life in some way. Very few individuals benefit from a huge recession/depression. I know I’m nervous. Aren’t you? Some of us are stocking up on guns and canned food.

In the big picture, this is the best way for the banks to get past this mortgage mess. Sell em in bulk and move on, even if their loss margin is a few points higher overall – the carrying costs are killing them as much as the depreciation is. One-at-a-timing these houses will take a (lost) decade, and it’s pretty clear the banks aren’t equipped to process these foreclosures like that. This was almost predictable, inevitable even.

I think it creates a new bottom, or softens the rate of decline artificially. But that is in the banks best interest, and the best interest of many current homeowners as well. Its just not in the best interest of many of us Piggs.

Such is life.

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]

The bottom line is this. Nobody will EVER be able to get as good a deal as these investors do who buy in bulk. They buy in bulk and that is why they get such steep discounts. This is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD for distressed banks. Unloading the inventory and unwinding these non performing securities is the first of many steps. Once the property belongs to these investment groups they can spin em, flip em, rent em, or do whatever the hell they want. It is how we get to a more stable base like it or not.
[/quote]

Gotta disagree with this being the “best thing” for banks. If banks (that are backed by taxpayers, BTW) can get $200K for a property instead of $100K, then it’s best for the banks (and taxpayers!) if the sales are made on the open market.

Since WE own or back the mortgage market and all the “toxic assets” these days, then we need to get the highest possible return on our “investments.”

What we NEED is a federal auction website for all REOs and short-sales in the country. Bidders have to be qualified through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and all bid/ask information must be FULLY TRANSPARENT. It should be mandated that properties be listed immediately upon trustee sale, and that the listing remain for a set period of time (like 30 days). All during that time, the house is available for inspections via govt lockbox, and bids are placed like on e-bay — fully transparent as to the amount and the bidder. Each bidder (can be individual or entity) can get only one user ID, so their bids and purchases can be tracked.

After the 30-day period, the property sells to the highest bidder. If any fraud or problems come up with a particular bidder, they are banned from bidding in any future auction.

Why would we not do this (except that it would make it less profitable for the fraudsters who brought us into this mess)?[/quote]

[kicksavedave]

I agree with SD R on this one. This might not be fair to individual buyers, or people like many of us Piggs who are saving to buy some day and hoping prices continue to fall. Not good news for us, no doubt. This is definitely creating a false bottom, or at least changing the curve on this decline.

But the reality is that until the banks get these toxic assets off their books, then the banks will just be frozen. Frozen banks means frozen economy. Frozen economy means most of us are at some risk of hardship, either layoffs, losing a business, or simply losing your quality of life in some way. Very few individuals benefit from a huge recession/depression. I know I’m nervous. Aren’t you? Some of us are stocking up on guns and canned food.

In the big picture, this is the best way for the banks to get past this mortgage mess. Sell em in bulk and move on, even if their loss margin is a few points higher overall – the carrying costs are killing them as much as the depreciation is. One-at-a-timing these houses will take a (lost) decade, and it’s pretty clear the banks aren’t equipped to process these foreclosures like that. This was almost predictable, inevitable even.

I think it creates a new bottom, or softens the rate of decline artificially. But that is in the banks best interest, and the best interest of many current homeowners as well. Its just not in the best interest of many of us Piggs.

Such is life.

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]

The bottom line is this. Nobody will EVER be able to get as good a deal as these investors do who buy in bulk. They buy in bulk and that is why they get such steep discounts. This is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD for distressed banks. Unloading the inventory and unwinding these non performing securities is the first of many steps. Once the property belongs to these investment groups they can spin em, flip em, rent em, or do whatever the hell they want. It is how we get to a more stable base like it or not.
[/quote]

Gotta disagree with this being the “best thing” for banks. If banks (that are backed by taxpayers, BTW) can get $200K for a property instead of $100K, then it’s best for the banks (and taxpayers!) if the sales are made on the open market.

Since WE own or back the mortgage market and all the “toxic assets” these days, then we need to get the highest possible return on our “investments.”

What we NEED is a federal auction website for all REOs and short-sales in the country. Bidders have to be qualified through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and all bid/ask information must be FULLY TRANSPARENT. It should be mandated that properties be listed immediately upon trustee sale, and that the listing remain for a set period of time (like 30 days). All during that time, the house is available for inspections via govt lockbox, and bids are placed like on e-bay — fully transparent as to the amount and the bidder. Each bidder (can be individual or entity) can get only one user ID, so their bids and purchases can be tracked.

After the 30-day period, the property sells to the highest bidder. If any fraud or problems come up with a particular bidder, they are banned from bidding in any future auction.

Why would we not do this (except that it would make it less profitable for the fraudsters who brought us into this mess)?[/quote]

[kicksavedave]

I agree with SD R on this one. This might not be fair to individual buyers, or people like many of us Piggs who are saving to buy some day and hoping prices continue to fall. Not good news for us, no doubt. This is definitely creating a false bottom, or at least changing the curve on this decline.

But the reality is that until the banks get these toxic assets off their books, then the banks will just be frozen. Frozen banks means frozen economy. Frozen economy means most of us are at some risk of hardship, either layoffs, losing a business, or simply losing your quality of life in some way. Very few individuals benefit from a huge recession/depression. I know I’m nervous. Aren’t you? Some of us are stocking up on guns and canned food.

In the big picture, this is the best way for the banks to get past this mortgage mess. Sell em in bulk and move on, even if their loss margin is a few points higher overall – the carrying costs are killing them as much as the depreciation is. One-at-a-timing these houses will take a (lost) decade, and it’s pretty clear the banks aren’t equipped to process these foreclosures like that. This was almost predictable, inevitable even.

I think it creates a new bottom, or softens the rate of decline artificially. But that is in the banks best interest, and the best interest of many current homeowners as well. Its just not in the best interest of many of us Piggs.

Such is life.

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]

The bottom line is this. Nobody will EVER be able to get as good a deal as these investors do who buy in bulk. They buy in bulk and that is why they get such steep discounts. This is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD for distressed banks. Unloading the inventory and unwinding these non performing securities is the first of many steps. Once the property belongs to these investment groups they can spin em, flip em, rent em, or do whatever the hell they want. It is how we get to a more stable base like it or not.
[/quote]

Gotta disagree with this being the “best thing” for banks. If banks (that are backed by taxpayers, BTW) can get $200K for a property instead of $100K, then it’s best for the banks (and taxpayers!) if the sales are made on the open market.

Since WE own or back the mortgage market and all the “toxic assets” these days, then we need to get the highest possible return on our “investments.”

What we NEED is a federal auction website for all REOs and short-sales in the country. Bidders have to be qualified through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and all bid/ask information must be FULLY TRANSPARENT. It should be mandated that properties be listed immediately upon trustee sale, and that the listing remain for a set period of time (like 30 days). All during that time, the house is available for inspections via govt lockbox, and bids are placed like on e-bay — fully transparent as to the amount and the bidder. Each bidder (can be individual or entity) can get only one user ID, so their bids and purchases can be tracked.

After the 30-day period, the property sells to the highest bidder. If any fraud or problems come up with a particular bidder, they are banned from bidding in any future auction.

Why would we not do this (except that it would make it less profitable for the fraudsters who brought us into this mess)?[/quote]

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