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[quote=Eugene][quote=jstoesz]
A note about taxes. I dare you to compare the tax burden of a CA resident to a MN resident. After income tax, sales tax, gas tax…there is no comparison. Just saying, taxes are a bad subject for you. [/quote]

mmkay.

Income tax. Assuming married filing jointly with 100k of income (nice round number), CA income tax, according to the online calculator, comes out to $5,008. MN does not have an online calculator, but I ran the numbers using tax brackets from bankrate.com and I got $6,485.

Sales tax. CA: 8.75%, MN (Brooklyn Park): 7.275%.

Property tax. No brainer, MN is higher (it’s going to be hard to find a state whose property taxes are lower than in CA, thank Howard Jarvis for that). Partly offset by higher house prices in CA.

Gas tax. CA: 35c/gal, MN: 27.5c/gal.

I have to call it a draw.

[quote]I ditched the MM tracts, because MN just doesn’t have the asian population to support the demographic comparison. So I took a near by Linden hills neighborhood and looked for a comparable in SD. In the NY times demographic link.[/quote]

I have no idea who buys houses in Mission Hills. Most likely not young couples with children (MH is not renown for its schools.) I used MM as a benchmark of a reasonably affordable neighborhood with good schools. Asian presence is irrelevant. If you want to prove the thesis that SD is unaffordable, you need to demonstrate safe neighborhoods in Minneapolis/Spokane/Denver which are substantially cheaper than MM.[/quote]

I will have to do some digging over lunch or when I get home. But off the top of my head, I would assume some of the following suburbs would be similar to MM, although probably a bit nicer. As in much bigger houses on more land, but per capita income is probably lower.

Eagan
Burnsville
St. Luis Park
Apple Valley
Lakeview

I am not extremely familiar with either metros schools, so I would be grasping at straws to make a strong comparison of schools…lets hope I can turn up some apples to apples data.

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[quote=Eugene][quote=jstoesz]
A note about taxes. I dare you to compare the tax burden of a CA resident to a MN resident. After income tax, sales tax, gas tax…there is no comparison. Just saying, taxes are a bad subject for you. [/quote]

mmkay.

Income tax. Assuming married filing jointly with 100k of income (nice round number), CA income tax, according to the online calculator, comes out to $5,008. MN does not have an online calculator, but I ran the numbers using tax brackets from bankrate.com and I got $6,485.

Sales tax. CA: 8.75%, MN (Brooklyn Park): 7.275%.

Property tax. No brainer, MN is higher (it’s going to be hard to find a state whose property taxes are lower than in CA, thank Howard Jarvis for that). Partly offset by higher house prices in CA.

Gas tax. CA: 35c/gal, MN: 27.5c/gal.

I have to call it a draw.

[quote]I ditched the MM tracts, because MN just doesn’t have the asian population to support the demographic comparison. So I took a near by Linden hills neighborhood and looked for a comparable in SD. In the NY times demographic link.[/quote]

I have no idea who buys houses in Mission Hills. Most likely not young couples with children (MH is not renown for its schools.) I used MM as a benchmark of a reasonably affordable neighborhood with good schools. Asian presence is irrelevant. If you want to prove the thesis that SD is unaffordable, you need to demonstrate safe neighborhoods in Minneapolis/Spokane/Denver which are substantially cheaper than MM.[/quote]

I will have to do some digging over lunch or when I get home. But off the top of my head, I would assume some of the following suburbs would be similar to MM, although probably a bit nicer. As in much bigger houses on more land, but per capita income is probably lower.

Eagan
Burnsville
St. Luis Park
Apple Valley
Lakeview

I am not extremely familiar with either metros schools, so I would be grasping at straws to make a strong comparison of schools…lets hope I can turn up some apples to apples data.

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I figured as much, but sometimes it is more fun to take a person at their word.

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I figured as much, but sometimes it is more fun to take a person at their word.

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I figured as much, but sometimes it is more fun to take a person at their word.

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I figured as much, but sometimes it is more fun to take a person at their word.

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I figured as much, but sometimes it is more fun to take a person at their word.

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[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

If I were looking for a cheap CA retirement home, I would look for something off the 108. It doesn’t have all the drunken hubub, its way cheaper, and sonora is not far away.

[jstoesz]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

If I were looking for a cheap CA retirement home, I would look for something off the 108. It doesn’t have all the drunken hubub, its way cheaper, and sonora is not far away.

[jstoesz]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

If I were looking for a cheap CA retirement home, I would look for something off the 108. It doesn’t have all the drunken hubub, its way cheaper, and sonora is not far away.

[jstoesz]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

If I were looking for a cheap CA retirement home, I would look for something off the 108. It doesn’t have all the drunken hubub, its way cheaper, and sonora is not far away.

[jstoesz]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

If I were looking for a cheap CA retirement home, I would look for something off the 108. It doesn’t have all the drunken hubub, its way cheaper, and sonora is not far away.

[jstoesz]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

What is snowmaking? It is all about the backcountry, unless of course the avalanche danger is so high, you have to be high to go out and then I will settle for sierra at tahoe for the tree runs and easy accessibility off the 50. I skied Mt. Ralston (mountain across from sierra) last thursday after work, moonlight is a beautiful thing!

[jstoesz]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

What is snowmaking? It is all about the backcountry, unless of course the avalanche danger is so high, you have to be high to go out and then I will settle for sierra at tahoe for the tree runs and easy accessibility off the 50. I skied Mt. Ralston (mountain across from sierra) last thursday after work, moonlight is a beautiful thing!

[jstoesz]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]Haha, I am sorry for the warrantless smear. Good, get after it. Because it is nuking out there. You better be heading for baldy at least. Mammoth should have a storm total better measured in building stories than feet.[/quote]

I’m holding out to go with a group to Heavenly in early 2011 :=D[/quote]

Coming up to my new stomping grounds I see! interesting, I wonder how that plays into the calculations! I am just kidding.[/quote]

South Tahoe became my one of my top retirement spots earlier in the year when I had to give up on (expensive) CO. I have to check on it at least once a year to make sure everything’s still in its rightful place :=] Do you realize Heavenly has made several improvements to their lifts/snowmaking equipment during summer 2010??[/quote]

What is snowmaking? It is all about the backcountry, unless of course the avalanche danger is so high, you have to be high to go out and then I will settle for sierra at tahoe for the tree runs and easy accessibility off the 50. I skied Mt. Ralston (mountain across from sierra) last thursday after work, moonlight is a beautiful thing!

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