[jstoesz]

Yeah I have a few of those friends too. Most notable is a friend with a PHD from scripts who opened a brewery in Kernville. He works pretty hard though…plays hard though as well.

Personally, I am most jealous of my fire and medic friends who have a pretty well paid job with strange schedules. They have ungodly amounts of free time, and money to play with. One of my friends (grew up in SD) works as a fire medic in Mammoth and takes off the better part of a few months every year to chase the snow melt in his kayak.

I am not looking to reopen this subject of public pay, but I bring it up only to say there are plenty of decent paying jobs where recreation and time with the family is more easily accomplished. If you would be happier doing that sort of thing, you will be fine with a 500k buffer.

[jstoesz]

Yeah I have a few of those friends too. Most notable is a friend with a PHD from scripts who opened a brewery in Kernville. He works pretty hard though…plays hard though as well.

Personally, I am most jealous of my fire and medic friends who have a pretty well paid job with strange schedules. They have ungodly amounts of free time, and money to play with. One of my friends (grew up in SD) works as a fire medic in Mammoth and takes off the better part of a few months every year to chase the snow melt in his kayak.

I am not looking to reopen this subject of public pay, but I bring it up only to say there are plenty of decent paying jobs where recreation and time with the family is more easily accomplished. If you would be happier doing that sort of thing, you will be fine with a 500k buffer.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Doooh][quote=zzz]Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?[/quote]

I ment 1.5-2 years on unemployment making $13 and hour. I was also referring to Obama care.

If this health care fiasco isn’t squashed come 2014, I’d be stupid not to take full advantage of it. It is what Polosi said right? “We need to be free to live our dream, outside of worrying about health insurance” or something like that. I don’t think she understands the consequences of such thinking.

I’ll take her up on it though, and won’t think twice about morality. I quit, and you can pay for my health care. I’m sure as hell not going to be forced to pay for yours by making 6 figures a year. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age.

This is how you kill productive citizens.

Your right I’d go stir crazy if I were sitting at home for 2 years. But that’s not what the post is about.[/quote]

It sounds an awful lot like you are thinking of going galt! I sometimes wonder if such colonies in the mountains exist…I think some of the Fundamental LDSers are accomplishing this all over Utah, but I don’t think you are going to like the polygamist lifestyle.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Doooh][quote=zzz]Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?[/quote]

I ment 1.5-2 years on unemployment making $13 and hour. I was also referring to Obama care.

If this health care fiasco isn’t squashed come 2014, I’d be stupid not to take full advantage of it. It is what Polosi said right? “We need to be free to live our dream, outside of worrying about health insurance” or something like that. I don’t think she understands the consequences of such thinking.

I’ll take her up on it though, and won’t think twice about morality. I quit, and you can pay for my health care. I’m sure as hell not going to be forced to pay for yours by making 6 figures a year. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age.

This is how you kill productive citizens.

Your right I’d go stir crazy if I were sitting at home for 2 years. But that’s not what the post is about.[/quote]

It sounds an awful lot like you are thinking of going galt! I sometimes wonder if such colonies in the mountains exist…I think some of the Fundamental LDSers are accomplishing this all over Utah, but I don’t think you are going to like the polygamist lifestyle.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Doooh][quote=zzz]Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?[/quote]

I ment 1.5-2 years on unemployment making $13 and hour. I was also referring to Obama care.

If this health care fiasco isn’t squashed come 2014, I’d be stupid not to take full advantage of it. It is what Polosi said right? “We need to be free to live our dream, outside of worrying about health insurance” or something like that. I don’t think she understands the consequences of such thinking.

I’ll take her up on it though, and won’t think twice about morality. I quit, and you can pay for my health care. I’m sure as hell not going to be forced to pay for yours by making 6 figures a year. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age.

This is how you kill productive citizens.

Your right I’d go stir crazy if I were sitting at home for 2 years. But that’s not what the post is about.[/quote]

It sounds an awful lot like you are thinking of going galt! I sometimes wonder if such colonies in the mountains exist…I think some of the Fundamental LDSers are accomplishing this all over Utah, but I don’t think you are going to like the polygamist lifestyle.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Doooh][quote=zzz]Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?[/quote]

I ment 1.5-2 years on unemployment making $13 and hour. I was also referring to Obama care.

If this health care fiasco isn’t squashed come 2014, I’d be stupid not to take full advantage of it. It is what Polosi said right? “We need to be free to live our dream, outside of worrying about health insurance” or something like that. I don’t think she understands the consequences of such thinking.

I’ll take her up on it though, and won’t think twice about morality. I quit, and you can pay for my health care. I’m sure as hell not going to be forced to pay for yours by making 6 figures a year. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age.

This is how you kill productive citizens.

Your right I’d go stir crazy if I were sitting at home for 2 years. But that’s not what the post is about.[/quote]

It sounds an awful lot like you are thinking of going galt! I sometimes wonder if such colonies in the mountains exist…I think some of the Fundamental LDSers are accomplishing this all over Utah, but I don’t think you are going to like the polygamist lifestyle.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Doooh][quote=zzz]Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?[/quote]

I ment 1.5-2 years on unemployment making $13 and hour. I was also referring to Obama care.

If this health care fiasco isn’t squashed come 2014, I’d be stupid not to take full advantage of it. It is what Polosi said right? “We need to be free to live our dream, outside of worrying about health insurance” or something like that. I don’t think she understands the consequences of such thinking.

I’ll take her up on it though, and won’t think twice about morality. I quit, and you can pay for my health care. I’m sure as hell not going to be forced to pay for yours by making 6 figures a year. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age.

This is how you kill productive citizens.

Your right I’d go stir crazy if I were sitting at home for 2 years. But that’s not what the post is about.[/quote]

It sounds an awful lot like you are thinking of going galt! I sometimes wonder if such colonies in the mountains exist…I think some of the Fundamental LDSers are accomplishing this all over Utah, but I don’t think you are going to like the polygamist lifestyle.

[jstoesz]

I am homesick for MN, although I have not lived there for a decade.

I am headed south for Christmas, back with my wife and dog, loading up the rest of our stuff, and heading for the mountains. So my banishment is only for a couple more days!

BG will appreciate this…we have a cabin with some friends rented in June lake for new years!

[jstoesz]

I am homesick for MN, although I have not lived there for a decade.

I am headed south for Christmas, back with my wife and dog, loading up the rest of our stuff, and heading for the mountains. So my banishment is only for a couple more days!

BG will appreciate this…we have a cabin with some friends rented in June lake for new years!

[jstoesz]

I am homesick for MN, although I have not lived there for a decade.

I am headed south for Christmas, back with my wife and dog, loading up the rest of our stuff, and heading for the mountains. So my banishment is only for a couple more days!

BG will appreciate this…we have a cabin with some friends rented in June lake for new years!

[jstoesz]

I am homesick for MN, although I have not lived there for a decade.

I am headed south for Christmas, back with my wife and dog, loading up the rest of our stuff, and heading for the mountains. So my banishment is only for a couple more days!

BG will appreciate this…we have a cabin with some friends rented in June lake for new years!

[jstoesz]

I am homesick for MN, although I have not lived there for a decade.

I am headed south for Christmas, back with my wife and dog, loading up the rest of our stuff, and heading for the mountains. So my banishment is only for a couple more days!

BG will appreciate this…we have a cabin with some friends rented in June lake for new years!

[jstoesz]

[quote=Eugene][quote=jstoesz]
A note about taxes. I dare you to compare the tax burden of a CA resident to a MN resident. After income tax, sales tax, gas tax…there is no comparison. Just saying, taxes are a bad subject for you. [/quote]

mmkay.

Income tax. Assuming married filing jointly with 100k of income (nice round number), CA income tax, according to the online calculator, comes out to $5,008. MN does not have an online calculator, but I ran the numbers using tax brackets from bankrate.com and I got $6,485.

Sales tax. CA: 8.75%, MN (Brooklyn Park): 7.275%.

Property tax. No brainer, MN is higher (it’s going to be hard to find a state whose property taxes are lower than in CA, thank Howard Jarvis for that). Partly offset by higher house prices in CA.

Gas tax. CA: 35c/gal, MN: 27.5c/gal.

I have to call it a draw.

[quote]I ditched the MM tracts, because MN just doesn’t have the asian population to support the demographic comparison. So I took a near by Linden hills neighborhood and looked for a comparable in SD. In the NY times demographic link.[/quote]

I have no idea who buys houses in Mission Hills. Most likely not young couples with children (MH is not renown for its schools.) I used MM as a benchmark of a reasonably affordable neighborhood with good schools. Asian presence is irrelevant. If you want to prove the thesis that SD is unaffordable, you need to demonstrate safe neighborhoods in Minneapolis/Spokane/Denver which are substantially cheaper than MM.[/quote]

I will have to do some digging over lunch or when I get home. But off the top of my head, I would assume some of the following suburbs would be similar to MM, although probably a bit nicer. As in much bigger houses on more land, but per capita income is probably lower.

Eagan
Burnsville
St. Luis Park
Apple Valley
Lakeview

I am not extremely familiar with either metros schools, so I would be grasping at straws to make a strong comparison of schools…lets hope I can turn up some apples to apples data.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Eugene][quote=jstoesz]
A note about taxes. I dare you to compare the tax burden of a CA resident to a MN resident. After income tax, sales tax, gas tax…there is no comparison. Just saying, taxes are a bad subject for you. [/quote]

mmkay.

Income tax. Assuming married filing jointly with 100k of income (nice round number), CA income tax, according to the online calculator, comes out to $5,008. MN does not have an online calculator, but I ran the numbers using tax brackets from bankrate.com and I got $6,485.

Sales tax. CA: 8.75%, MN (Brooklyn Park): 7.275%.

Property tax. No brainer, MN is higher (it’s going to be hard to find a state whose property taxes are lower than in CA, thank Howard Jarvis for that). Partly offset by higher house prices in CA.

Gas tax. CA: 35c/gal, MN: 27.5c/gal.

I have to call it a draw.

[quote]I ditched the MM tracts, because MN just doesn’t have the asian population to support the demographic comparison. So I took a near by Linden hills neighborhood and looked for a comparable in SD. In the NY times demographic link.[/quote]

I have no idea who buys houses in Mission Hills. Most likely not young couples with children (MH is not renown for its schools.) I used MM as a benchmark of a reasonably affordable neighborhood with good schools. Asian presence is irrelevant. If you want to prove the thesis that SD is unaffordable, you need to demonstrate safe neighborhoods in Minneapolis/Spokane/Denver which are substantially cheaper than MM.[/quote]

I will have to do some digging over lunch or when I get home. But off the top of my head, I would assume some of the following suburbs would be similar to MM, although probably a bit nicer. As in much bigger houses on more land, but per capita income is probably lower.

Eagan
Burnsville
St. Luis Park
Apple Valley
Lakeview

I am not extremely familiar with either metros schools, so I would be grasping at straws to make a strong comparison of schools…lets hope I can turn up some apples to apples data.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Eugene][quote=jstoesz]
A note about taxes. I dare you to compare the tax burden of a CA resident to a MN resident. After income tax, sales tax, gas tax…there is no comparison. Just saying, taxes are a bad subject for you. [/quote]

mmkay.

Income tax. Assuming married filing jointly with 100k of income (nice round number), CA income tax, according to the online calculator, comes out to $5,008. MN does not have an online calculator, but I ran the numbers using tax brackets from bankrate.com and I got $6,485.

Sales tax. CA: 8.75%, MN (Brooklyn Park): 7.275%.

Property tax. No brainer, MN is higher (it’s going to be hard to find a state whose property taxes are lower than in CA, thank Howard Jarvis for that). Partly offset by higher house prices in CA.

Gas tax. CA: 35c/gal, MN: 27.5c/gal.

I have to call it a draw.

[quote]I ditched the MM tracts, because MN just doesn’t have the asian population to support the demographic comparison. So I took a near by Linden hills neighborhood and looked for a comparable in SD. In the NY times demographic link.[/quote]

I have no idea who buys houses in Mission Hills. Most likely not young couples with children (MH is not renown for its schools.) I used MM as a benchmark of a reasonably affordable neighborhood with good schools. Asian presence is irrelevant. If you want to prove the thesis that SD is unaffordable, you need to demonstrate safe neighborhoods in Minneapolis/Spokane/Denver which are substantially cheaper than MM.[/quote]

I will have to do some digging over lunch or when I get home. But off the top of my head, I would assume some of the following suburbs would be similar to MM, although probably a bit nicer. As in much bigger houses on more land, but per capita income is probably lower.

Eagan
Burnsville
St. Luis Park
Apple Valley
Lakeview

I am not extremely familiar with either metros schools, so I would be grasping at straws to make a strong comparison of schools…lets hope I can turn up some apples to apples data.

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