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Seriously…permabear, it is really that simple? What about the unintended consequences? What about people like ucg’s brother? Isn’t it possible that it is just one more step to mass irresponsibility? I guess we already have that, so what is one more government teet to suckle!

[jstoesz]

Seriously…permabear, it is really that simple? What about the unintended consequences? What about people like ucg’s brother? Isn’t it possible that it is just one more step to mass irresponsibility? I guess we already have that, so what is one more government teet to suckle!

[jstoesz]

I am afraid if I read that book I will turn into a bigger more cynical bastard.

I swear Atlas shrugged was not a good influence on me, and the communist manifesto was like a BB bouncing off boiler plate.

[jstoesz]

I am afraid if I read that book I will turn into a bigger more cynical bastard.

I swear Atlas shrugged was not a good influence on me, and the communist manifesto was like a BB bouncing off boiler plate.

[jstoesz]

I am afraid if I read that book I will turn into a bigger more cynical bastard.

I swear Atlas shrugged was not a good influence on me, and the communist manifesto was like a BB bouncing off boiler plate.

[jstoesz]

I am afraid if I read that book I will turn into a bigger more cynical bastard.

I swear Atlas shrugged was not a good influence on me, and the communist manifesto was like a BB bouncing off boiler plate.

[jstoesz]

I am afraid if I read that book I will turn into a bigger more cynical bastard.

I swear Atlas shrugged was not a good influence on me, and the communist manifesto was like a BB bouncing off boiler plate.

[jstoesz]

[quote=UCGal]Dooh – I have an extended family member that is doing what you’re talking about. He has a paid off house in Philadelphia. He’s very good at living on the cheap.

He’s figured out the system – if he makes less than $8000/year he gets free health insurance and some other benefits (I think food stamps.) Over the past several years he’s had part time jobs that kept him under that wage threshold. Then he volunteered to be laid off so he could collect unemployment.

This is an able bodied guy. He’s always claiming poverty – but he also won’t get a job that might impact his free benefits.

I’m for a social safety net – but what he’s doing is abuse.

FWIW – he’s not the stereotype welfare queen – he’s male, white, college educated, listens to Rush and Glenn and watches Fox News only… The hypocrisy drives me nuts. But you can’t pick family.

I don’t have a problem with people figuring out how to retire early, spend more time with their kids. I’ve been part time since my oldest was born. My husband will be retired when the kids are teenagers. But if you’re able bodied, able to work, can get a job, but choose to sponge off the system… I reserve the right to think of you as a loser.[/quote]

I am not sure if he is hypocritical yet…would he vote to reduce the social safety net? Would he like to see welfare reform, and medicaid reform? Real reform btw, the kind that hurts. Or is he really all talk? Looks to me just another outcome in the law of unintended consequences. To me the real immortality is that we have a society that fosters this kind of behavior (California first and foremost).

Now what is hypocritical and drives me up the wall to no end is all the seniors who weep with Mr. Beck, but would murder any republican who dares to reform their SS (welfare). Now that is hypocrisy, talk about welfare queens.

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[quote=UCGal]Dooh – I have an extended family member that is doing what you’re talking about. He has a paid off house in Philadelphia. He’s very good at living on the cheap.

He’s figured out the system – if he makes less than $8000/year he gets free health insurance and some other benefits (I think food stamps.) Over the past several years he’s had part time jobs that kept him under that wage threshold. Then he volunteered to be laid off so he could collect unemployment.

This is an able bodied guy. He’s always claiming poverty – but he also won’t get a job that might impact his free benefits.

I’m for a social safety net – but what he’s doing is abuse.

FWIW – he’s not the stereotype welfare queen – he’s male, white, college educated, listens to Rush and Glenn and watches Fox News only… The hypocrisy drives me nuts. But you can’t pick family.

I don’t have a problem with people figuring out how to retire early, spend more time with their kids. I’ve been part time since my oldest was born. My husband will be retired when the kids are teenagers. But if you’re able bodied, able to work, can get a job, but choose to sponge off the system… I reserve the right to think of you as a loser.[/quote]

I am not sure if he is hypocritical yet…would he vote to reduce the social safety net? Would he like to see welfare reform, and medicaid reform? Real reform btw, the kind that hurts. Or is he really all talk? Looks to me just another outcome in the law of unintended consequences. To me the real immortality is that we have a society that fosters this kind of behavior (California first and foremost).

Now what is hypocritical and drives me up the wall to no end is all the seniors who weep with Mr. Beck, but would murder any republican who dares to reform their SS (welfare). Now that is hypocrisy, talk about welfare queens.

[jstoesz]

[quote=UCGal]Dooh – I have an extended family member that is doing what you’re talking about. He has a paid off house in Philadelphia. He’s very good at living on the cheap.

He’s figured out the system – if he makes less than $8000/year he gets free health insurance and some other benefits (I think food stamps.) Over the past several years he’s had part time jobs that kept him under that wage threshold. Then he volunteered to be laid off so he could collect unemployment.

This is an able bodied guy. He’s always claiming poverty – but he also won’t get a job that might impact his free benefits.

I’m for a social safety net – but what he’s doing is abuse.

FWIW – he’s not the stereotype welfare queen – he’s male, white, college educated, listens to Rush and Glenn and watches Fox News only… The hypocrisy drives me nuts. But you can’t pick family.

I don’t have a problem with people figuring out how to retire early, spend more time with their kids. I’ve been part time since my oldest was born. My husband will be retired when the kids are teenagers. But if you’re able bodied, able to work, can get a job, but choose to sponge off the system… I reserve the right to think of you as a loser.[/quote]

I am not sure if he is hypocritical yet…would he vote to reduce the social safety net? Would he like to see welfare reform, and medicaid reform? Real reform btw, the kind that hurts. Or is he really all talk? Looks to me just another outcome in the law of unintended consequences. To me the real immortality is that we have a society that fosters this kind of behavior (California first and foremost).

Now what is hypocritical and drives me up the wall to no end is all the seniors who weep with Mr. Beck, but would murder any republican who dares to reform their SS (welfare). Now that is hypocrisy, talk about welfare queens.

[jstoesz]

[quote=UCGal]Dooh – I have an extended family member that is doing what you’re talking about. He has a paid off house in Philadelphia. He’s very good at living on the cheap.

He’s figured out the system – if he makes less than $8000/year he gets free health insurance and some other benefits (I think food stamps.) Over the past several years he’s had part time jobs that kept him under that wage threshold. Then he volunteered to be laid off so he could collect unemployment.

This is an able bodied guy. He’s always claiming poverty – but he also won’t get a job that might impact his free benefits.

I’m for a social safety net – but what he’s doing is abuse.

FWIW – he’s not the stereotype welfare queen – he’s male, white, college educated, listens to Rush and Glenn and watches Fox News only… The hypocrisy drives me nuts. But you can’t pick family.

I don’t have a problem with people figuring out how to retire early, spend more time with their kids. I’ve been part time since my oldest was born. My husband will be retired when the kids are teenagers. But if you’re able bodied, able to work, can get a job, but choose to sponge off the system… I reserve the right to think of you as a loser.[/quote]

I am not sure if he is hypocritical yet…would he vote to reduce the social safety net? Would he like to see welfare reform, and medicaid reform? Real reform btw, the kind that hurts. Or is he really all talk? Looks to me just another outcome in the law of unintended consequences. To me the real immortality is that we have a society that fosters this kind of behavior (California first and foremost).

Now what is hypocritical and drives me up the wall to no end is all the seniors who weep with Mr. Beck, but would murder any republican who dares to reform their SS (welfare). Now that is hypocrisy, talk about welfare queens.

[jstoesz]

[quote=UCGal]Dooh – I have an extended family member that is doing what you’re talking about. He has a paid off house in Philadelphia. He’s very good at living on the cheap.

He’s figured out the system – if he makes less than $8000/year he gets free health insurance and some other benefits (I think food stamps.) Over the past several years he’s had part time jobs that kept him under that wage threshold. Then he volunteered to be laid off so he could collect unemployment.

This is an able bodied guy. He’s always claiming poverty – but he also won’t get a job that might impact his free benefits.

I’m for a social safety net – but what he’s doing is abuse.

FWIW – he’s not the stereotype welfare queen – he’s male, white, college educated, listens to Rush and Glenn and watches Fox News only… The hypocrisy drives me nuts. But you can’t pick family.

I don’t have a problem with people figuring out how to retire early, spend more time with their kids. I’ve been part time since my oldest was born. My husband will be retired when the kids are teenagers. But if you’re able bodied, able to work, can get a job, but choose to sponge off the system… I reserve the right to think of you as a loser.[/quote]

I am not sure if he is hypocritical yet…would he vote to reduce the social safety net? Would he like to see welfare reform, and medicaid reform? Real reform btw, the kind that hurts. Or is he really all talk? Looks to me just another outcome in the law of unintended consequences. To me the real immortality is that we have a society that fosters this kind of behavior (California first and foremost).

Now what is hypocritical and drives me up the wall to no end is all the seniors who weep with Mr. Beck, but would murder any republican who dares to reform their SS (welfare). Now that is hypocrisy, talk about welfare queens.

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Yeah I have a few of those friends too. Most notable is a friend with a PHD from scripts who opened a brewery in Kernville. He works pretty hard though…plays hard though as well.

Personally, I am most jealous of my fire and medic friends who have a pretty well paid job with strange schedules. They have ungodly amounts of free time, and money to play with. One of my friends (grew up in SD) works as a fire medic in Mammoth and takes off the better part of a few months every year to chase the snow melt in his kayak.

I am not looking to reopen this subject of public pay, but I bring it up only to say there are plenty of decent paying jobs where recreation and time with the family is more easily accomplished. If you would be happier doing that sort of thing, you will be fine with a 500k buffer.

[jstoesz]

Yeah I have a few of those friends too. Most notable is a friend with a PHD from scripts who opened a brewery in Kernville. He works pretty hard though…plays hard though as well.

Personally, I am most jealous of my fire and medic friends who have a pretty well paid job with strange schedules. They have ungodly amounts of free time, and money to play with. One of my friends (grew up in SD) works as a fire medic in Mammoth and takes off the better part of a few months every year to chase the snow melt in his kayak.

I am not looking to reopen this subject of public pay, but I bring it up only to say there are plenty of decent paying jobs where recreation and time with the family is more easily accomplished. If you would be happier doing that sort of thing, you will be fine with a 500k buffer.

[jstoesz]

Yeah I have a few of those friends too. Most notable is a friend with a PHD from scripts who opened a brewery in Kernville. He works pretty hard though…plays hard though as well.

Personally, I am most jealous of my fire and medic friends who have a pretty well paid job with strange schedules. They have ungodly amounts of free time, and money to play with. One of my friends (grew up in SD) works as a fire medic in Mammoth and takes off the better part of a few months every year to chase the snow melt in his kayak.

I am not looking to reopen this subject of public pay, but I bring it up only to say there are plenty of decent paying jobs where recreation and time with the family is more easily accomplished. If you would be happier doing that sort of thing, you will be fine with a 500k buffer.

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