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I would love to get solar. I haven’t done any research on it yet. Anybody have solar and what has been their experience?

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I would love to get solar. I haven’t done any research on it yet. Anybody have solar and what has been their experience?

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I would love to get solar. I haven’t done any research on it yet. Anybody have solar and what has been their experience?

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[quote=Scarlett]Exactly, totally agree. Scum. I can understand, especially for famous guys for whom the opportunities and temptations abund, sexual infidelity. Everybody makes mistakes and power is a tremendous afrodisiac. But this huge lie for SO MANY YEARS, how could he look himself in the mirror day after day? how could he then look at his wife, and at the maid, and the children he had from them? Worse than scum. I wonder why he didn’t make a clean break and why didn’t the maid leave – with a lot of child support of course. Let’s say he didn’t want to leave his family for a lot of reasons. Why he kept the maid there with the child? I am sure he could have found her a stable nice job, or hell, no job, just give her plenty of money to support herself and her kids somewhere else in a nice place. We don’t know all the details, but I wonder about her character too. Or maybe she was too naive or ignorant about what she could do and didn’t want any legal trouble.[/quote]

I think the level and degree of deceipt is what makes this so exceptionally disgusting. It just violates every vow imaginable in a marriage, much less relationship in general. While the sexual indiscretions can be forgiven, the years of lying while the maid and child still in the home is beyond reproach. That kind of betrayal is painful. A tryst is one thing. But to continue a lie right under her nose the whole time is the ultimate disrespect.

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[quote=Scarlett]Exactly, totally agree. Scum. I can understand, especially for famous guys for whom the opportunities and temptations abund, sexual infidelity. Everybody makes mistakes and power is a tremendous afrodisiac. But this huge lie for SO MANY YEARS, how could he look himself in the mirror day after day? how could he then look at his wife, and at the maid, and the children he had from them? Worse than scum. I wonder why he didn’t make a clean break and why didn’t the maid leave – with a lot of child support of course. Let’s say he didn’t want to leave his family for a lot of reasons. Why he kept the maid there with the child? I am sure he could have found her a stable nice job, or hell, no job, just give her plenty of money to support herself and her kids somewhere else in a nice place. We don’t know all the details, but I wonder about her character too. Or maybe she was too naive or ignorant about what she could do and didn’t want any legal trouble.[/quote]

I think the level and degree of deceipt is what makes this so exceptionally disgusting. It just violates every vow imaginable in a marriage, much less relationship in general. While the sexual indiscretions can be forgiven, the years of lying while the maid and child still in the home is beyond reproach. That kind of betrayal is painful. A tryst is one thing. But to continue a lie right under her nose the whole time is the ultimate disrespect.

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[quote=Scarlett]Exactly, totally agree. Scum. I can understand, especially for famous guys for whom the opportunities and temptations abund, sexual infidelity. Everybody makes mistakes and power is a tremendous afrodisiac. But this huge lie for SO MANY YEARS, how could he look himself in the mirror day after day? how could he then look at his wife, and at the maid, and the children he had from them? Worse than scum. I wonder why he didn’t make a clean break and why didn’t the maid leave – with a lot of child support of course. Let’s say he didn’t want to leave his family for a lot of reasons. Why he kept the maid there with the child? I am sure he could have found her a stable nice job, or hell, no job, just give her plenty of money to support herself and her kids somewhere else in a nice place. We don’t know all the details, but I wonder about her character too. Or maybe she was too naive or ignorant about what she could do and didn’t want any legal trouble.[/quote]

I think the level and degree of deceipt is what makes this so exceptionally disgusting. It just violates every vow imaginable in a marriage, much less relationship in general. While the sexual indiscretions can be forgiven, the years of lying while the maid and child still in the home is beyond reproach. That kind of betrayal is painful. A tryst is one thing. But to continue a lie right under her nose the whole time is the ultimate disrespect.

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[quote=Scarlett]Exactly, totally agree. Scum. I can understand, especially for famous guys for whom the opportunities and temptations abund, sexual infidelity. Everybody makes mistakes and power is a tremendous afrodisiac. But this huge lie for SO MANY YEARS, how could he look himself in the mirror day after day? how could he then look at his wife, and at the maid, and the children he had from them? Worse than scum. I wonder why he didn’t make a clean break and why didn’t the maid leave – with a lot of child support of course. Let’s say he didn’t want to leave his family for a lot of reasons. Why he kept the maid there with the child? I am sure he could have found her a stable nice job, or hell, no job, just give her plenty of money to support herself and her kids somewhere else in a nice place. We don’t know all the details, but I wonder about her character too. Or maybe she was too naive or ignorant about what she could do and didn’t want any legal trouble.[/quote]

I think the level and degree of deceipt is what makes this so exceptionally disgusting. It just violates every vow imaginable in a marriage, much less relationship in general. While the sexual indiscretions can be forgiven, the years of lying while the maid and child still in the home is beyond reproach. That kind of betrayal is painful. A tryst is one thing. But to continue a lie right under her nose the whole time is the ultimate disrespect.

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[quote=Scarlett]Exactly, totally agree. Scum. I can understand, especially for famous guys for whom the opportunities and temptations abund, sexual infidelity. Everybody makes mistakes and power is a tremendous afrodisiac. But this huge lie for SO MANY YEARS, how could he look himself in the mirror day after day? how could he then look at his wife, and at the maid, and the children he had from them? Worse than scum. I wonder why he didn’t make a clean break and why didn’t the maid leave – with a lot of child support of course. Let’s say he didn’t want to leave his family for a lot of reasons. Why he kept the maid there with the child? I am sure he could have found her a stable nice job, or hell, no job, just give her plenty of money to support herself and her kids somewhere else in a nice place. We don’t know all the details, but I wonder about her character too. Or maybe she was too naive or ignorant about what she could do and didn’t want any legal trouble.[/quote]

I think the level and degree of deceipt is what makes this so exceptionally disgusting. It just violates every vow imaginable in a marriage, much less relationship in general. While the sexual indiscretions can be forgiven, the years of lying while the maid and child still in the home is beyond reproach. That kind of betrayal is painful. A tryst is one thing. But to continue a lie right under her nose the whole time is the ultimate disrespect.

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[quote=Scarlett]Yes, DSK case is much more interesting. It’s deserving its own thread, even though Arnold’s affair is more disgusting in the circumstances (what happened, or didn’t, after sex) and closer to home.[/quote]

I really feel bad for Maria. Here’s she’s pregnant and at the same time the maid is pregnant w/Arnold’s kid. And the whole time she never knew.

I think Arnold is a coward. Why is it so hard to take responsibility for one’s actions? Be a man and own up. Would it have been too difficult to say, “Hey, Maria. You know you married a dog. I’m not going to change. I’m going to bang and grope always. I’m also a lazy dog and I can’t bother to wear protection so I knocked up the maid.” That would’ve been nice to know. Make sure to get tested for any STDs.

But, I guess it is a matter of ego thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want w/whoever they want w/out reprecussions.

But I must emphasize that for me, the infidelity sexually is not as bad as the years of lying.

Right now, to me, the guy is just bad. Bad actor. Bad governor. Bad husband. Bad father. Just bad.

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[quote=Scarlett]Yes, DSK case is much more interesting. It’s deserving its own thread, even though Arnold’s affair is more disgusting in the circumstances (what happened, or didn’t, after sex) and closer to home.[/quote]

I really feel bad for Maria. Here’s she’s pregnant and at the same time the maid is pregnant w/Arnold’s kid. And the whole time she never knew.

I think Arnold is a coward. Why is it so hard to take responsibility for one’s actions? Be a man and own up. Would it have been too difficult to say, “Hey, Maria. You know you married a dog. I’m not going to change. I’m going to bang and grope always. I’m also a lazy dog and I can’t bother to wear protection so I knocked up the maid.” That would’ve been nice to know. Make sure to get tested for any STDs.

But, I guess it is a matter of ego thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want w/whoever they want w/out reprecussions.

But I must emphasize that for me, the infidelity sexually is not as bad as the years of lying.

Right now, to me, the guy is just bad. Bad actor. Bad governor. Bad husband. Bad father. Just bad.

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[quote=Scarlett]Yes, DSK case is much more interesting. It’s deserving its own thread, even though Arnold’s affair is more disgusting in the circumstances (what happened, or didn’t, after sex) and closer to home.[/quote]

I really feel bad for Maria. Here’s she’s pregnant and at the same time the maid is pregnant w/Arnold’s kid. And the whole time she never knew.

I think Arnold is a coward. Why is it so hard to take responsibility for one’s actions? Be a man and own up. Would it have been too difficult to say, “Hey, Maria. You know you married a dog. I’m not going to change. I’m going to bang and grope always. I’m also a lazy dog and I can’t bother to wear protection so I knocked up the maid.” That would’ve been nice to know. Make sure to get tested for any STDs.

But, I guess it is a matter of ego thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want w/whoever they want w/out reprecussions.

But I must emphasize that for me, the infidelity sexually is not as bad as the years of lying.

Right now, to me, the guy is just bad. Bad actor. Bad governor. Bad husband. Bad father. Just bad.

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[quote=Scarlett]Yes, DSK case is much more interesting. It’s deserving its own thread, even though Arnold’s affair is more disgusting in the circumstances (what happened, or didn’t, after sex) and closer to home.[/quote]

I really feel bad for Maria. Here’s she’s pregnant and at the same time the maid is pregnant w/Arnold’s kid. And the whole time she never knew.

I think Arnold is a coward. Why is it so hard to take responsibility for one’s actions? Be a man and own up. Would it have been too difficult to say, “Hey, Maria. You know you married a dog. I’m not going to change. I’m going to bang and grope always. I’m also a lazy dog and I can’t bother to wear protection so I knocked up the maid.” That would’ve been nice to know. Make sure to get tested for any STDs.

But, I guess it is a matter of ego thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want w/whoever they want w/out reprecussions.

But I must emphasize that for me, the infidelity sexually is not as bad as the years of lying.

Right now, to me, the guy is just bad. Bad actor. Bad governor. Bad husband. Bad father. Just bad.

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[quote=Scarlett]Yes, DSK case is much more interesting. It’s deserving its own thread, even though Arnold’s affair is more disgusting in the circumstances (what happened, or didn’t, after sex) and closer to home.[/quote]

I really feel bad for Maria. Here’s she’s pregnant and at the same time the maid is pregnant w/Arnold’s kid. And the whole time she never knew.

I think Arnold is a coward. Why is it so hard to take responsibility for one’s actions? Be a man and own up. Would it have been too difficult to say, “Hey, Maria. You know you married a dog. I’m not going to change. I’m going to bang and grope always. I’m also a lazy dog and I can’t bother to wear protection so I knocked up the maid.” That would’ve been nice to know. Make sure to get tested for any STDs.

But, I guess it is a matter of ego thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want w/whoever they want w/out reprecussions.

But I must emphasize that for me, the infidelity sexually is not as bad as the years of lying.

Right now, to me, the guy is just bad. Bad actor. Bad governor. Bad husband. Bad father. Just bad.

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Since we’re going to speculate and conjecture, then I’ll toss my opinion. He’s a guy. Guy’s have needs they can’t control. Back to the old joke of why women have no brains — they don’t have a penis to put it in. Not to put guys down, b/c I think it’s physical thing. I don’t think he was being heartless initially. He just didn’t think. He wanted his physical needs satisfied and the maid was there, so he did what he desired and there was no other thought process involved. It is a very primate, physical need/desire.

Now does society expect those desires to be squashed, for men to control themselves, whether right or wrong. Yes. But as we see all too often, it is not that easy. This is not reserved to politicians. Tiger, anyone? And however many other sports figures or actors or whatever. The normal guy out there is just the same, only he’s not in the public image and you don’t read about it in the news.

As also mentioned, sadly society wants our politician to be a family man, as opposed to a swinging single person. Maybe b/c society expects family men to be responsible and therefore can be responsible w/the public office they have. Very often society holds higher expectations for someone who is in the public image and therefore, they have an unspoken obligation to uphold their position in favorable light.

I agree w/eavesdropper. For him to have a sexual indiscretion, that can be condoned and understood. To have lied to the family, to the public, to have the woman in the home for all these years, well, it is somewhat disgusting. How do you trust someone like that ever again? It is deplorable and bordering dispicable. It is the ultimate betrayal.

While the initial sexual act can be overlooked as he wasn’t thinking about what he was doing in his moment of — let’s call it what it is, horniness — clearly everything that transpired thereafter was thought about carefully.

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Since we’re going to speculate and conjecture, then I’ll toss my opinion. He’s a guy. Guy’s have needs they can’t control. Back to the old joke of why women have no brains — they don’t have a penis to put it in. Not to put guys down, b/c I think it’s physical thing. I don’t think he was being heartless initially. He just didn’t think. He wanted his physical needs satisfied and the maid was there, so he did what he desired and there was no other thought process involved. It is a very primate, physical need/desire.

Now does society expect those desires to be squashed, for men to control themselves, whether right or wrong. Yes. But as we see all too often, it is not that easy. This is not reserved to politicians. Tiger, anyone? And however many other sports figures or actors or whatever. The normal guy out there is just the same, only he’s not in the public image and you don’t read about it in the news.

As also mentioned, sadly society wants our politician to be a family man, as opposed to a swinging single person. Maybe b/c society expects family men to be responsible and therefore can be responsible w/the public office they have. Very often society holds higher expectations for someone who is in the public image and therefore, they have an unspoken obligation to uphold their position in favorable light.

I agree w/eavesdropper. For him to have a sexual indiscretion, that can be condoned and understood. To have lied to the family, to the public, to have the woman in the home for all these years, well, it is somewhat disgusting. How do you trust someone like that ever again? It is deplorable and bordering dispicable. It is the ultimate betrayal.

While the initial sexual act can be overlooked as he wasn’t thinking about what he was doing in his moment of — let’s call it what it is, horniness — clearly everything that transpired thereafter was thought about carefully.

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