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Participant[quote=outtamojo] Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )[/quote]
That explains why so many Mexicans are risking their lives to come here. They are so happy they can’t stand it.
Participant[quote=outtamojo] Besides, if as Davelj pointed out, Mexicans living in Mexico can be happier than Americans living in the U.S, we are doing something wrong : )[/quote]
That explains why so many Mexicans are risking their lives to come here. They are so happy they can’t stand it.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Are you being serious or sarcastic? Doing business with brutal regimes is not something we are shy about. They only become “evil” if they somehow inhibit or threaten capital accumulation of the upper echelons. If they aid in capital accumulation, it’s not a problem. That is the litmus test, not any professed ideology. There is a systemic contradiction today, where the upper .1% of the US interests are more aligned with the average Chinese than the average american. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.[/quote]
Well, thank you. It is clear there are double standards and agenda. And every time someone buys something MIC, we are eroding our middle class. Every time someone buys something MIC – whether they know it or not, they are making the single digit percentage of the rich richer at the hands of the middle class while the poorer increase. Maybe people justify their purchase or they are in denial or just ignorant, but this is slowly and gradually happening. By buying things MIC, we as a people are unwittingly accomplices in the destruction of our country. I know. I sound fatalistic. And maybe it won’t happen in some of our lifetime, but it may in your kids’ lifetime.
Yesterday I got a package of items delivered to me from the Made in America store. Felt good to know I helped some people work and keep their jobs. Message on their site: “Please support our mission to save and create jobs in the U.S., because China is a Long Drive to Work”
I just wonder how the rich will stay rich w/out the middle class buying their goods when the middle class won’t have the money to buy them for lack of jobs.
Participant[quote=gandalf]China is a communist country. It’s not free market capitalism. …..If the tables were turned, and labor costs were cheaper outside China, everyone on this board knows full well the Chinese government would outright prohibit Chinese companies from exporting jobs (and money) from China. There would be tariffs and nationalization of plants, contracts and resources. People would be jailed or disappear. China isn’t a free market.
[/quote]Thank you for stating this. The first I’ve seen on this site (though I admit I don’t always of the luxury of reading every thread)
Why are we doing business w/a communist country? We don’t w/Cuba. I don’t think we did w/Russia back in the day. Why is it okay w/China? What am I missing here?
[quote=CA renter]Of course, I think we need to support American labor over foreign labor because we need to be self-sufficient and productive in our own country. Without American labor, our country will collapse (unless one thinks we can all get rich flipping houses/stocks/bonds/commodities/etc. to one another at ever-increasing prices).[/quote]
And thank you, again. Today it is auto jobs. Tomorrow it is yours. You hit the nail on the head. We will have speculative jobs. In the end we will have the small percentage of upper class , no middle class and the rest are the poor. I guess supported by the tax of the rich. But since they will be in charge, I’m sure there will be no social programs when they get done, so it will be a country of destitute. Maybe we’ll all try to flee to China for “opportunity.”
I’m sure our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
[quote=briansd1]I guess we still have education and pharma. [/quote]
You mean the education that is expensive and they are cutting or the research, for example, stem cell, that we are behind in?
Participant[quote=gandalf]China is a communist country. It’s not free market capitalism. …..If the tables were turned, and labor costs were cheaper outside China, everyone on this board knows full well the Chinese government would outright prohibit Chinese companies from exporting jobs (and money) from China. There would be tariffs and nationalization of plants, contracts and resources. People would be jailed or disappear. China isn’t a free market.
[/quote]Thank you for stating this. The first I’ve seen on this site (though I admit I don’t always of the luxury of reading every thread)
Why are we doing business w/a communist country? We don’t w/Cuba. I don’t think we did w/Russia back in the day. Why is it okay w/China? What am I missing here?
[quote=CA renter]Of course, I think we need to support American labor over foreign labor because we need to be self-sufficient and productive in our own country. Without American labor, our country will collapse (unless one thinks we can all get rich flipping houses/stocks/bonds/commodities/etc. to one another at ever-increasing prices).[/quote]
And thank you, again. Today it is auto jobs. Tomorrow it is yours. You hit the nail on the head. We will have speculative jobs. In the end we will have the small percentage of upper class , no middle class and the rest are the poor. I guess supported by the tax of the rich. But since they will be in charge, I’m sure there will be no social programs when they get done, so it will be a country of destitute. Maybe we’ll all try to flee to China for “opportunity.”
I’m sure our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
[quote=briansd1]I guess we still have education and pharma. [/quote]
You mean the education that is expensive and they are cutting or the research, for example, stem cell, that we are behind in?
Participant[quote=gandalf]China is a communist country. It’s not free market capitalism. …..If the tables were turned, and labor costs were cheaper outside China, everyone on this board knows full well the Chinese government would outright prohibit Chinese companies from exporting jobs (and money) from China. There would be tariffs and nationalization of plants, contracts and resources. People would be jailed or disappear. China isn’t a free market.
[/quote]Thank you for stating this. The first I’ve seen on this site (though I admit I don’t always of the luxury of reading every thread)
Why are we doing business w/a communist country? We don’t w/Cuba. I don’t think we did w/Russia back in the day. Why is it okay w/China? What am I missing here?
[quote=CA renter]Of course, I think we need to support American labor over foreign labor because we need to be self-sufficient and productive in our own country. Without American labor, our country will collapse (unless one thinks we can all get rich flipping houses/stocks/bonds/commodities/etc. to one another at ever-increasing prices).[/quote]
And thank you, again. Today it is auto jobs. Tomorrow it is yours. You hit the nail on the head. We will have speculative jobs. In the end we will have the small percentage of upper class , no middle class and the rest are the poor. I guess supported by the tax of the rich. But since they will be in charge, I’m sure there will be no social programs when they get done, so it will be a country of destitute. Maybe we’ll all try to flee to China for “opportunity.”
I’m sure our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
[quote=briansd1]I guess we still have education and pharma. [/quote]
You mean the education that is expensive and they are cutting or the research, for example, stem cell, that we are behind in?
Participant[quote=gandalf]China is a communist country. It’s not free market capitalism. …..If the tables were turned, and labor costs were cheaper outside China, everyone on this board knows full well the Chinese government would outright prohibit Chinese companies from exporting jobs (and money) from China. There would be tariffs and nationalization of plants, contracts and resources. People would be jailed or disappear. China isn’t a free market.
[/quote]Thank you for stating this. The first I’ve seen on this site (though I admit I don’t always of the luxury of reading every thread)
Why are we doing business w/a communist country? We don’t w/Cuba. I don’t think we did w/Russia back in the day. Why is it okay w/China? What am I missing here?
[quote=CA renter]Of course, I think we need to support American labor over foreign labor because we need to be self-sufficient and productive in our own country. Without American labor, our country will collapse (unless one thinks we can all get rich flipping houses/stocks/bonds/commodities/etc. to one another at ever-increasing prices).[/quote]
And thank you, again. Today it is auto jobs. Tomorrow it is yours. You hit the nail on the head. We will have speculative jobs. In the end we will have the small percentage of upper class , no middle class and the rest are the poor. I guess supported by the tax of the rich. But since they will be in charge, I’m sure there will be no social programs when they get done, so it will be a country of destitute. Maybe we’ll all try to flee to China for “opportunity.”
I’m sure our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
[quote=briansd1]I guess we still have education and pharma. [/quote]
You mean the education that is expensive and they are cutting or the research, for example, stem cell, that we are behind in?
Participant[quote=gandalf]China is a communist country. It’s not free market capitalism. …..If the tables were turned, and labor costs were cheaper outside China, everyone on this board knows full well the Chinese government would outright prohibit Chinese companies from exporting jobs (and money) from China. There would be tariffs and nationalization of plants, contracts and resources. People would be jailed or disappear. China isn’t a free market.
[/quote]Thank you for stating this. The first I’ve seen on this site (though I admit I don’t always of the luxury of reading every thread)
Why are we doing business w/a communist country? We don’t w/Cuba. I don’t think we did w/Russia back in the day. Why is it okay w/China? What am I missing here?
[quote=CA renter]Of course, I think we need to support American labor over foreign labor because we need to be self-sufficient and productive in our own country. Without American labor, our country will collapse (unless one thinks we can all get rich flipping houses/stocks/bonds/commodities/etc. to one another at ever-increasing prices).[/quote]
And thank you, again. Today it is auto jobs. Tomorrow it is yours. You hit the nail on the head. We will have speculative jobs. In the end we will have the small percentage of upper class , no middle class and the rest are the poor. I guess supported by the tax of the rich. But since they will be in charge, I’m sure there will be no social programs when they get done, so it will be a country of destitute. Maybe we’ll all try to flee to China for “opportunity.”
I’m sure our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
[quote=briansd1]I guess we still have education and pharma. [/quote]
You mean the education that is expensive and they are cutting or the research, for example, stem cell, that we are behind in?
Participant[quote=AN]I bet those Louis Vuitton purses that re made either in China or Vietnam are of higher quality than your non name brand Made in USA.[/quote]
That is debateable. Many designers are riding the wave of their reputation now, reaping the profits while reducing their quality/craftsmanship and manufacturing cots.Not sure about Louis Vuitton. That’s never been, nor never will be my price range.
If you’re talking about the copycat ones, that’s a different topic. I still question the quality as compared to something made here. Personally, I try not to be a brand follower, but I find it sad to buy a copycat for the name.
Participant[quote=AN]I bet those Louis Vuitton purses that re made either in China or Vietnam are of higher quality than your non name brand Made in USA.[/quote]
That is debateable. Many designers are riding the wave of their reputation now, reaping the profits while reducing their quality/craftsmanship and manufacturing cots.Not sure about Louis Vuitton. That’s never been, nor never will be my price range.
If you’re talking about the copycat ones, that’s a different topic. I still question the quality as compared to something made here. Personally, I try not to be a brand follower, but I find it sad to buy a copycat for the name.
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