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ParticipantWhy is that every defense of Obama’s behavior has to be(minimized, justified, validated) ect. by the missteps of Bush. All most all of the replies on this thread defending Obama’s actions are fallacies.
To those who many no know…… a straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.
Why not address the specific behavior of Obama? Is it really that difficult to defend his positions?
ParticipantWhy is that every defense of Obama’s behavior has to be(minimized, justified, validated) ect. by the missteps of Bush. All most all of the replies on this thread defending Obama’s actions are fallacies.
To those who many no know…… a straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.
Why not address the specific behavior of Obama? Is it really that difficult to defend his positions?
ParticipantWhy is that every defense of Obama’s behavior has to be(minimized, justified, validated) ect. by the missteps of Bush. All most all of the replies on this thread defending Obama’s actions are fallacies.
To those who many no know…… a straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.
Why not address the specific behavior of Obama? Is it really that difficult to defend his positions?
ParticipantWhy is that every defense of Obama’s behavior has to be(minimized, justified, validated) ect. by the missteps of Bush. All most all of the replies on this thread defending Obama’s actions are fallacies.
To those who many no know…… a straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.
Why not address the specific behavior of Obama? Is it really that difficult to defend his positions?
ParticipantWhy is that every defense of Obama’s behavior has to be(minimized, justified, validated) ect. by the missteps of Bush. All most all of the replies on this thread defending Obama’s actions are fallacies.
To those who many no know…… a straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.
Why not address the specific behavior of Obama? Is it really that difficult to defend his positions?
November 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479008Participant[quote=jpinpb]I’ve been weighing pros and cons of healthcare bill and have been vacillating between whether it’s good or bad. Of course, they keep altering versions of it and hard to follow along w/their “improvements” along the way.
Many things I’m still trying to understand. From what I hear, there will be fines for people who do not carry insurance. Okay. If someone can’t afford insurance, forcing them to buy it, versus, say, eating or paying rent, seems burdensome. To fine them on top of that seems cruel.
But setting aside the pressures of forcing someone to buy insurance when they can’t afford it, who will be enforcing the purchase of insurance and who will enforce the fines if they don’t have it?
I know there are a lot of people with tickets who can’t/don’t pay and it turns into a warrant. People violate laws all the time. Is there going to be some insurance police going door-to-door to check if you have insurance and then write you up if you don’t. If you don’t pay the fine, do you get arrested?
I am having trouble understanding the logistics of this particular portion of the bill. Still grappling w/other portions, but this one is one staring me in the face right now.
Also, is there some provision in this healthcare bill for those who are not in the country legally? Or are our taxpaying dollars still covering them in case of emergency?[/quote]
No one is going to be fined unless they are wealthy. Anyone with an AGI under $30,000 will probably get 100% of their insurance subsidized. This is nothing more then a budget busting give away for the Democrats to secure an even larger part of the voting public with little regard for their duties to manage the public purse.
Wait until your your at SHARP waiting for a surgery behind 3 illegal immigrants each with a translator an patient advocate from ACORN and two attorneys from the ACLU. You will be told to shut up and come back next week.
November 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479178Participant[quote=jpinpb]I’ve been weighing pros and cons of healthcare bill and have been vacillating between whether it’s good or bad. Of course, they keep altering versions of it and hard to follow along w/their “improvements” along the way.
Many things I’m still trying to understand. From what I hear, there will be fines for people who do not carry insurance. Okay. If someone can’t afford insurance, forcing them to buy it, versus, say, eating or paying rent, seems burdensome. To fine them on top of that seems cruel.
But setting aside the pressures of forcing someone to buy insurance when they can’t afford it, who will be enforcing the purchase of insurance and who will enforce the fines if they don’t have it?
I know there are a lot of people with tickets who can’t/don’t pay and it turns into a warrant. People violate laws all the time. Is there going to be some insurance police going door-to-door to check if you have insurance and then write you up if you don’t. If you don’t pay the fine, do you get arrested?
I am having trouble understanding the logistics of this particular portion of the bill. Still grappling w/other portions, but this one is one staring me in the face right now.
Also, is there some provision in this healthcare bill for those who are not in the country legally? Or are our taxpaying dollars still covering them in case of emergency?[/quote]
No one is going to be fined unless they are wealthy. Anyone with an AGI under $30,000 will probably get 100% of their insurance subsidized. This is nothing more then a budget busting give away for the Democrats to secure an even larger part of the voting public with little regard for their duties to manage the public purse.
Wait until your your at SHARP waiting for a surgery behind 3 illegal immigrants each with a translator an patient advocate from ACORN and two attorneys from the ACLU. You will be told to shut up and come back next week.
November 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479544Participant[quote=jpinpb]I’ve been weighing pros and cons of healthcare bill and have been vacillating between whether it’s good or bad. Of course, they keep altering versions of it and hard to follow along w/their “improvements” along the way.
Many things I’m still trying to understand. From what I hear, there will be fines for people who do not carry insurance. Okay. If someone can’t afford insurance, forcing them to buy it, versus, say, eating or paying rent, seems burdensome. To fine them on top of that seems cruel.
But setting aside the pressures of forcing someone to buy insurance when they can’t afford it, who will be enforcing the purchase of insurance and who will enforce the fines if they don’t have it?
I know there are a lot of people with tickets who can’t/don’t pay and it turns into a warrant. People violate laws all the time. Is there going to be some insurance police going door-to-door to check if you have insurance and then write you up if you don’t. If you don’t pay the fine, do you get arrested?
I am having trouble understanding the logistics of this particular portion of the bill. Still grappling w/other portions, but this one is one staring me in the face right now.
Also, is there some provision in this healthcare bill for those who are not in the country legally? Or are our taxpaying dollars still covering them in case of emergency?[/quote]
No one is going to be fined unless they are wealthy. Anyone with an AGI under $30,000 will probably get 100% of their insurance subsidized. This is nothing more then a budget busting give away for the Democrats to secure an even larger part of the voting public with little regard for their duties to manage the public purse.
Wait until your your at SHARP waiting for a surgery behind 3 illegal immigrants each with a translator an patient advocate from ACORN and two attorneys from the ACLU. You will be told to shut up and come back next week.
November 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479625Participant[quote=jpinpb]I’ve been weighing pros and cons of healthcare bill and have been vacillating between whether it’s good or bad. Of course, they keep altering versions of it and hard to follow along w/their “improvements” along the way.
Many things I’m still trying to understand. From what I hear, there will be fines for people who do not carry insurance. Okay. If someone can’t afford insurance, forcing them to buy it, versus, say, eating or paying rent, seems burdensome. To fine them on top of that seems cruel.
But setting aside the pressures of forcing someone to buy insurance when they can’t afford it, who will be enforcing the purchase of insurance and who will enforce the fines if they don’t have it?
I know there are a lot of people with tickets who can’t/don’t pay and it turns into a warrant. People violate laws all the time. Is there going to be some insurance police going door-to-door to check if you have insurance and then write you up if you don’t. If you don’t pay the fine, do you get arrested?
I am having trouble understanding the logistics of this particular portion of the bill. Still grappling w/other portions, but this one is one staring me in the face right now.
Also, is there some provision in this healthcare bill for those who are not in the country legally? Or are our taxpaying dollars still covering them in case of emergency?[/quote]
No one is going to be fined unless they are wealthy. Anyone with an AGI under $30,000 will probably get 100% of their insurance subsidized. This is nothing more then a budget busting give away for the Democrats to secure an even larger part of the voting public with little regard for their duties to manage the public purse.
Wait until your your at SHARP waiting for a surgery behind 3 illegal immigrants each with a translator an patient advocate from ACORN and two attorneys from the ACLU. You will be told to shut up and come back next week.
November 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479847Participant[quote=jpinpb]I’ve been weighing pros and cons of healthcare bill and have been vacillating between whether it’s good or bad. Of course, they keep altering versions of it and hard to follow along w/their “improvements” along the way.
Many things I’m still trying to understand. From what I hear, there will be fines for people who do not carry insurance. Okay. If someone can’t afford insurance, forcing them to buy it, versus, say, eating or paying rent, seems burdensome. To fine them on top of that seems cruel.
But setting aside the pressures of forcing someone to buy insurance when they can’t afford it, who will be enforcing the purchase of insurance and who will enforce the fines if they don’t have it?
I know there are a lot of people with tickets who can’t/don’t pay and it turns into a warrant. People violate laws all the time. Is there going to be some insurance police going door-to-door to check if you have insurance and then write you up if you don’t. If you don’t pay the fine, do you get arrested?
I am having trouble understanding the logistics of this particular portion of the bill. Still grappling w/other portions, but this one is one staring me in the face right now.
Also, is there some provision in this healthcare bill for those who are not in the country legally? Or are our taxpaying dollars still covering them in case of emergency?[/quote]
No one is going to be fined unless they are wealthy. Anyone with an AGI under $30,000 will probably get 100% of their insurance subsidized. This is nothing more then a budget busting give away for the Democrats to secure an even larger part of the voting public with little regard for their duties to manage the public purse.
Wait until your your at SHARP waiting for a surgery behind 3 illegal immigrants each with a translator an patient advocate from ACORN and two attorneys from the ACLU. You will be told to shut up and come back next week.
November 8, 2009 at 9:19 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479003ParticipantBrian,
I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.
November 8, 2009 at 9:19 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479173ParticipantBrian,
I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.
November 8, 2009 at 9:19 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479539ParticipantBrian,
I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.
November 8, 2009 at 9:19 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #479620ParticipantBrian,
I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.
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