[Jim Jones]

[quote=afx114]Why is insurance tied to employment in the first place? Can anyone provide a legitimate reason why it should be? Why isn’t auto insurance tied to employment? Why isn’t my monthly cost of beer tied to employment? It’s a burden on businesses, that much is certain. And of course it becomes a burden on individuals when unemployment is as high as it is now.

But single payer is socialism, right? Wouldn’t single payer free business from the burden of high health insurance costs? Oh, but that would transfer the burden to the tax payers, right?

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.[/quote]

Your are very right DIYD, DIYD.

But how much of the heath care debate is a long term political power play by the Democrats.

This reform could have been done by simply fully funding state programs such as MediCal. Or providing medical at a subsidized rate of 400 percent of poverty as the new legislation calls for.

Why all the new legislation. Answer: Consolidation of political power and influence.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=flu]Don’t say folks didn’t warn you…If you’re still in the workforce, good luck moving forward..It’s going to get a lot more competitive with a lot fewer people employed

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/businesses-react-to-rising-cost-of-obamacare-they%27re-cutting-benefits-450638.html?tickers=mdt,cat,vz,xlv,ixj,^dji,^gspc&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

Businesses React to Rising Cost of ObamaCare: They’re Cutting Benefits
Posted Mar 26, 2010 09:32am EDT by Henry Blodget in Healthcare Information, Recession
Related: mdt, cat, vz, xlv, ixj, ^dji, ^gspc

Remember the part in the ObamaCare pitch when they said if you like your current healthcare, it won’t change?

Turns out it might.

Companies are already announcing that their healthcare premium costs are going through the roof. Some are responding by firing people. Some are cutting benefits. And some are presumably eating it.

But costs they are rising.

A few examples from the WSJ:
— Caterpillar said it would cost the company at least $100 million more in the first year alone.
— Medical device maker Medtronic warned that new taxes on its products could force it to lay off a thousand workers.
— Verizon announced to employees that it will likely have to cut healthcare benefits to offset the new costs.

So, people who like your employer-provided health insurance, get ready to pay more or get less.[/quote]

Looks the like regulations brought about by the Sarbanes Oxley Act are going to put a lot of initial pressure on the legislation as big corporations begin to write down the increased costs immediately as they are required to under law.

I wonder if the big corporations will begin to dump retirees as a threat to the administration to alter the legislation or if that was part of the initial design by the Democrats; to shift as many people as possible onto the publicly subsidized roles.

IMHO this legislation was all about creating a system that once in place will be impossible for the opposition to alter as it will be a bedrock benefit for the population. I’ve lived in 3 different socialized countries and the conservatives cannot even utter the words “NHS” or “National Heath System” without loosing voters.

Businessweek.com has a good story on it:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-26/at-t-to-take-1-billion-charge-on-health-care-reform-update1-.html

[Jim Jones]

[quote=flu]Don’t say folks didn’t warn you…If you’re still in the workforce, good luck moving forward..It’s going to get a lot more competitive with a lot fewer people employed

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/businesses-react-to-rising-cost-of-obamacare-they%27re-cutting-benefits-450638.html?tickers=mdt,cat,vz,xlv,ixj,^dji,^gspc&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

Businesses React to Rising Cost of ObamaCare: They’re Cutting Benefits
Posted Mar 26, 2010 09:32am EDT by Henry Blodget in Healthcare Information, Recession
Related: mdt, cat, vz, xlv, ixj, ^dji, ^gspc

Remember the part in the ObamaCare pitch when they said if you like your current healthcare, it won’t change?

Turns out it might.

Companies are already announcing that their healthcare premium costs are going through the roof. Some are responding by firing people. Some are cutting benefits. And some are presumably eating it.

But costs they are rising.

A few examples from the WSJ:
— Caterpillar said it would cost the company at least $100 million more in the first year alone.
— Medical device maker Medtronic warned that new taxes on its products could force it to lay off a thousand workers.
— Verizon announced to employees that it will likely have to cut healthcare benefits to offset the new costs.

So, people who like your employer-provided health insurance, get ready to pay more or get less.[/quote]

Looks the like regulations brought about by the Sarbanes Oxley Act are going to put a lot of initial pressure on the legislation as big corporations begin to write down the increased costs immediately as they are required to under law.

I wonder if the big corporations will begin to dump retirees as a threat to the administration to alter the legislation or if that was part of the initial design by the Democrats; to shift as many people as possible onto the publicly subsidized roles.

IMHO this legislation was all about creating a system that once in place will be impossible for the opposition to alter as it will be a bedrock benefit for the population. I’ve lived in 3 different socialized countries and the conservatives cannot even utter the words “NHS” or “National Heath System” without loosing voters.

Businessweek.com has a good story on it:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-26/at-t-to-take-1-billion-charge-on-health-care-reform-update1-.html

[Jim Jones]

[quote=flu]Don’t say folks didn’t warn you…If you’re still in the workforce, good luck moving forward..It’s going to get a lot more competitive with a lot fewer people employed

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/businesses-react-to-rising-cost-of-obamacare-they%27re-cutting-benefits-450638.html?tickers=mdt,cat,vz,xlv,ixj,^dji,^gspc&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

Businesses React to Rising Cost of ObamaCare: They’re Cutting Benefits
Posted Mar 26, 2010 09:32am EDT by Henry Blodget in Healthcare Information, Recession
Related: mdt, cat, vz, xlv, ixj, ^dji, ^gspc

Remember the part in the ObamaCare pitch when they said if you like your current healthcare, it won’t change?

Turns out it might.

Companies are already announcing that their healthcare premium costs are going through the roof. Some are responding by firing people. Some are cutting benefits. And some are presumably eating it.

But costs they are rising.

A few examples from the WSJ:
— Caterpillar said it would cost the company at least $100 million more in the first year alone.
— Medical device maker Medtronic warned that new taxes on its products could force it to lay off a thousand workers.
— Verizon announced to employees that it will likely have to cut healthcare benefits to offset the new costs.

So, people who like your employer-provided health insurance, get ready to pay more or get less.[/quote]

Looks the like regulations brought about by the Sarbanes Oxley Act are going to put a lot of initial pressure on the legislation as big corporations begin to write down the increased costs immediately as they are required to under law.

I wonder if the big corporations will begin to dump retirees as a threat to the administration to alter the legislation or if that was part of the initial design by the Democrats; to shift as many people as possible onto the publicly subsidized roles.

IMHO this legislation was all about creating a system that once in place will be impossible for the opposition to alter as it will be a bedrock benefit for the population. I’ve lived in 3 different socialized countries and the conservatives cannot even utter the words “NHS” or “National Heath System” without loosing voters.

Businessweek.com has a good story on it:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-26/at-t-to-take-1-billion-charge-on-health-care-reform-update1-.html

[Jim Jones]

[quote=flu]Don’t say folks didn’t warn you…If you’re still in the workforce, good luck moving forward..It’s going to get a lot more competitive with a lot fewer people employed

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/businesses-react-to-rising-cost-of-obamacare-they%27re-cutting-benefits-450638.html?tickers=mdt,cat,vz,xlv,ixj,^dji,^gspc&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

Businesses React to Rising Cost of ObamaCare: They’re Cutting Benefits
Posted Mar 26, 2010 09:32am EDT by Henry Blodget in Healthcare Information, Recession
Related: mdt, cat, vz, xlv, ixj, ^dji, ^gspc

Remember the part in the ObamaCare pitch when they said if you like your current healthcare, it won’t change?

Turns out it might.

Companies are already announcing that their healthcare premium costs are going through the roof. Some are responding by firing people. Some are cutting benefits. And some are presumably eating it.

But costs they are rising.

A few examples from the WSJ:
— Caterpillar said it would cost the company at least $100 million more in the first year alone.
— Medical device maker Medtronic warned that new taxes on its products could force it to lay off a thousand workers.
— Verizon announced to employees that it will likely have to cut healthcare benefits to offset the new costs.

So, people who like your employer-provided health insurance, get ready to pay more or get less.[/quote]

Looks the like regulations brought about by the Sarbanes Oxley Act are going to put a lot of initial pressure on the legislation as big corporations begin to write down the increased costs immediately as they are required to under law.

I wonder if the big corporations will begin to dump retirees as a threat to the administration to alter the legislation or if that was part of the initial design by the Democrats; to shift as many people as possible onto the publicly subsidized roles.

IMHO this legislation was all about creating a system that once in place will be impossible for the opposition to alter as it will be a bedrock benefit for the population. I’ve lived in 3 different socialized countries and the conservatives cannot even utter the words “NHS” or “National Heath System” without loosing voters.

Businessweek.com has a good story on it:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-26/at-t-to-take-1-billion-charge-on-health-care-reform-update1-.html

[Jim Jones]

[quote=flu]Don’t say folks didn’t warn you…If you’re still in the workforce, good luck moving forward..It’s going to get a lot more competitive with a lot fewer people employed

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/businesses-react-to-rising-cost-of-obamacare-they%27re-cutting-benefits-450638.html?tickers=mdt,cat,vz,xlv,ixj,^dji,^gspc&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

Businesses React to Rising Cost of ObamaCare: They’re Cutting Benefits
Posted Mar 26, 2010 09:32am EDT by Henry Blodget in Healthcare Information, Recession
Related: mdt, cat, vz, xlv, ixj, ^dji, ^gspc

Remember the part in the ObamaCare pitch when they said if you like your current healthcare, it won’t change?

Turns out it might.

Companies are already announcing that their healthcare premium costs are going through the roof. Some are responding by firing people. Some are cutting benefits. And some are presumably eating it.

But costs they are rising.

A few examples from the WSJ:
— Caterpillar said it would cost the company at least $100 million more in the first year alone.
— Medical device maker Medtronic warned that new taxes on its products could force it to lay off a thousand workers.
— Verizon announced to employees that it will likely have to cut healthcare benefits to offset the new costs.

So, people who like your employer-provided health insurance, get ready to pay more or get less.[/quote]

Looks the like regulations brought about by the Sarbanes Oxley Act are going to put a lot of initial pressure on the legislation as big corporations begin to write down the increased costs immediately as they are required to under law.

I wonder if the big corporations will begin to dump retirees as a threat to the administration to alter the legislation or if that was part of the initial design by the Democrats; to shift as many people as possible onto the publicly subsidized roles.

IMHO this legislation was all about creating a system that once in place will be impossible for the opposition to alter as it will be a bedrock benefit for the population. I’ve lived in 3 different socialized countries and the conservatives cannot even utter the words “NHS” or “National Heath System” without loosing voters.

Businessweek.com has a good story on it:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-26/at-t-to-take-1-billion-charge-on-health-care-reform-update1-.html

[Jim Jones]

Just an update I found on the toll roads finances. Looks like they are in bad shape

http://www.projectfinancemagazine.com/default.asp?Page=7&PUB=4&ISS=25567&SID=724563

A 2009 article in the San Diego Reader shows they are nowhere near their projected use numbers.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/nov/18/city-light-2/

[Jim Jones]

Just an update I found on the toll roads finances. Looks like they are in bad shape

http://www.projectfinancemagazine.com/default.asp?Page=7&PUB=4&ISS=25567&SID=724563

A 2009 article in the San Diego Reader shows they are nowhere near their projected use numbers.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/nov/18/city-light-2/

[Jim Jones]

Just an update I found on the toll roads finances. Looks like they are in bad shape

http://www.projectfinancemagazine.com/default.asp?Page=7&PUB=4&ISS=25567&SID=724563

A 2009 article in the San Diego Reader shows they are nowhere near their projected use numbers.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/nov/18/city-light-2/

[Jim Jones]

Just an update I found on the toll roads finances. Looks like they are in bad shape

http://www.projectfinancemagazine.com/default.asp?Page=7&PUB=4&ISS=25567&SID=724563

A 2009 article in the San Diego Reader shows they are nowhere near their projected use numbers.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/nov/18/city-light-2/

[Jim Jones]

Just an update I found on the toll roads finances. Looks like they are in bad shape

http://www.projectfinancemagazine.com/default.asp?Page=7&PUB=4&ISS=25567&SID=724563

A 2009 article in the San Diego Reader shows they are nowhere near their projected use numbers.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/nov/18/city-light-2/

[Jim Jones]

Jameswenn,

Can you comment on what your friends believed the difference in quality of schools was? From what area did they come from initially?

[Jim Jones]

Jameswenn,

Can you comment on what your friends believed the difference in quality of schools was? From what area did they come from initially?

[Jim Jones]

Jameswenn,

Can you comment on what your friends believed the difference in quality of schools was? From what area did they come from initially?

[Jim Jones]

Jameswenn,

Can you comment on what your friends believed the difference in quality of schools was? From what area did they come from initially?

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