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[quote=asianautica][quote=kev374]It is an OUTRAGE to consider someone earning $125k/yr as “wealthy” when that income can’t even afford a decent single family home over here in Orange County. Have you lost your mind??

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I think you might have misunderstood my point kev374. That’s exactly my point, if one person making $125k/year is not considered “wealthy” (which I completely agree with), then $250k for 2 people is not “wealthy” either. Especially if we strive for equal pay among the sexes and a family having double income. [/quote]

125k is about 3 times the median. That is wealthy by any standards.

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[quote=asianautica][quote=kev374]It is an OUTRAGE to consider someone earning $125k/yr as “wealthy” when that income can’t even afford a decent single family home over here in Orange County. Have you lost your mind??

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I think you might have misunderstood my point kev374. That’s exactly my point, if one person making $125k/year is not considered “wealthy” (which I completely agree with), then $250k for 2 people is not “wealthy” either. Especially if we strive for equal pay among the sexes and a family having double income. [/quote]

125k is about 3 times the median. That is wealthy by any standards.

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[quote=asianautica][quote=kev374]It is an OUTRAGE to consider someone earning $125k/yr as “wealthy” when that income can’t even afford a decent single family home over here in Orange County. Have you lost your mind??

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I think you might have misunderstood my point kev374. That’s exactly my point, if one person making $125k/year is not considered “wealthy” (which I completely agree with), then $250k for 2 people is not “wealthy” either. Especially if we strive for equal pay among the sexes and a family having double income. [/quote]

125k is about 3 times the median. That is wealthy by any standards.

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[quote=asianautica][quote=kev374]It is an OUTRAGE to consider someone earning $125k/yr as “wealthy” when that income can’t even afford a decent single family home over here in Orange County. Have you lost your mind??

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I think you might have misunderstood my point kev374. That’s exactly my point, if one person making $125k/year is not considered “wealthy” (which I completely agree with), then $250k for 2 people is not “wealthy” either. Especially if we strive for equal pay among the sexes and a family having double income. [/quote]

125k is about 3 times the median. That is wealthy by any standards.

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[quote=asianautica][quote=kev374]It is an OUTRAGE to consider someone earning $125k/yr as “wealthy” when that income can’t even afford a decent single family home over here in Orange County. Have you lost your mind??

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I think you might have misunderstood my point kev374. That’s exactly my point, if one person making $125k/year is not considered “wealthy” (which I completely agree with), then $250k for 2 people is not “wealthy” either. Especially if we strive for equal pay among the sexes and a family having double income. [/quote]

125k is about 3 times the median. That is wealthy by any standards.

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[quote=DrChaos]
Yeah this is BS too. Both candidates are qualified citizens, mkay?

Being born in the territory of the USA gives one automatic citizenship, but there are also provisions for citizenship if you are born elsewhere, e.g. to a military family stationed overseas. The point is that McCain was not a citizen of any other nation before he was a US citizen, so he is a natural born citizen. [/quote]

How do you know Obama is when he won’t release his orginal??

Why even post a BC anyway?? Isn’t that sort of weird? Its like the Clintons when they lie about things that don’t have too. For instance, Hillary and her sniper fire, no reason to even bring that up yet she did.

I think its weird too that Obama’s grandmother is not being interviewed. Are they afraid of what she may say?? You would think that bring out a white relative would help him appeal to whites yet he keeps her in the closet.

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[quote=DrChaos]
Yeah this is BS too. Both candidates are qualified citizens, mkay?

Being born in the territory of the USA gives one automatic citizenship, but there are also provisions for citizenship if you are born elsewhere, e.g. to a military family stationed overseas. The point is that McCain was not a citizen of any other nation before he was a US citizen, so he is a natural born citizen. [/quote]

How do you know Obama is when he won’t release his orginal??

Why even post a BC anyway?? Isn’t that sort of weird? Its like the Clintons when they lie about things that don’t have too. For instance, Hillary and her sniper fire, no reason to even bring that up yet she did.

I think its weird too that Obama’s grandmother is not being interviewed. Are they afraid of what she may say?? You would think that bring out a white relative would help him appeal to whites yet he keeps her in the closet.

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[quote=DrChaos]
Yeah this is BS too. Both candidates are qualified citizens, mkay?

Being born in the territory of the USA gives one automatic citizenship, but there are also provisions for citizenship if you are born elsewhere, e.g. to a military family stationed overseas. The point is that McCain was not a citizen of any other nation before he was a US citizen, so he is a natural born citizen. [/quote]

How do you know Obama is when he won’t release his orginal??

Why even post a BC anyway?? Isn’t that sort of weird? Its like the Clintons when they lie about things that don’t have too. For instance, Hillary and her sniper fire, no reason to even bring that up yet she did.

I think its weird too that Obama’s grandmother is not being interviewed. Are they afraid of what she may say?? You would think that bring out a white relative would help him appeal to whites yet he keeps her in the closet.

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[quote=DrChaos]
Yeah this is BS too. Both candidates are qualified citizens, mkay?

Being born in the territory of the USA gives one automatic citizenship, but there are also provisions for citizenship if you are born elsewhere, e.g. to a military family stationed overseas. The point is that McCain was not a citizen of any other nation before he was a US citizen, so he is a natural born citizen. [/quote]

How do you know Obama is when he won’t release his orginal??

Why even post a BC anyway?? Isn’t that sort of weird? Its like the Clintons when they lie about things that don’t have too. For instance, Hillary and her sniper fire, no reason to even bring that up yet she did.

I think its weird too that Obama’s grandmother is not being interviewed. Are they afraid of what she may say?? You would think that bring out a white relative would help him appeal to whites yet he keeps her in the closet.

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[quote=DrChaos]
Yeah this is BS too. Both candidates are qualified citizens, mkay?

Being born in the territory of the USA gives one automatic citizenship, but there are also provisions for citizenship if you are born elsewhere, e.g. to a military family stationed overseas. The point is that McCain was not a citizen of any other nation before he was a US citizen, so he is a natural born citizen. [/quote]

How do you know Obama is when he won’t release his orginal??

Why even post a BC anyway?? Isn’t that sort of weird? Its like the Clintons when they lie about things that don’t have too. For instance, Hillary and her sniper fire, no reason to even bring that up yet she did.

I think its weird too that Obama’s grandmother is not being interviewed. Are they afraid of what she may say?? You would think that bring out a white relative would help him appeal to whites yet he keeps her in the closet.

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[quote=LA_Renter]The National Review online (a very conservative publication) pretty much poo poohs this.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIzMDE2OTJiOTkwNmE3MTQwOWZiODYyZTBiMzdhMmI=

“I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said “the form is exactly the same” and it has “all the components of a birth certificate” record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is “rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.”[/quote]

That information is the same as I linked. I don’t see your point.

The point is Hawaii can’t verify the one online as authentic and Obama refuses to release the orginial. What his he hiding??

Here is an interesting exchange between Russert and Obama.

MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, “What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois,” you said, “I don’t know.” Where, where are the—where are your records?

SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I…

MR. RUSSERT: Are they gone?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, let’s be clear. In the state senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois.* The, the stuff that I did not keep has to do with, for example, my schedule. I didn’t have a schedule. I was a state senator. I wasn’t intending to have the Barack Obama State Senate Library. I didn’t have 50 or 500 people to, to help me archive these issues. So…

MR. RUSSERT: But your meetings with lobbyists and so forth, there’s no record of that?

SEN. OBAMA: I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now. And, as I said, news outlets have already looked at them.

MR. RUSSERT: Is your schedule available anywhere? Are—the records exist?

SEN. OBAMA: I—Tim, I kept my own schedule. I didn’t have a scheduler.

Obama doesn’t have any records of his activites??? What a joke and an obvious lie. I guess when one keeps the company of terriosts, criminals and racists posing as Preachers then one needs to do hide it if they want to be president.

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[quote=LA_Renter]The National Review online (a very conservative publication) pretty much poo poohs this.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIzMDE2OTJiOTkwNmE3MTQwOWZiODYyZTBiMzdhMmI=

“I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said “the form is exactly the same” and it has “all the components of a birth certificate” record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is “rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.”[/quote]

That information is the same as I linked. I don’t see your point.

The point is Hawaii can’t verify the one online as authentic and Obama refuses to release the orginial. What his he hiding??

Here is an interesting exchange between Russert and Obama.

MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, “What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois,” you said, “I don’t know.” Where, where are the—where are your records?

SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I…

MR. RUSSERT: Are they gone?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, let’s be clear. In the state senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois.* The, the stuff that I did not keep has to do with, for example, my schedule. I didn’t have a schedule. I was a state senator. I wasn’t intending to have the Barack Obama State Senate Library. I didn’t have 50 or 500 people to, to help me archive these issues. So…

MR. RUSSERT: But your meetings with lobbyists and so forth, there’s no record of that?

SEN. OBAMA: I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now. And, as I said, news outlets have already looked at them.

MR. RUSSERT: Is your schedule available anywhere? Are—the records exist?

SEN. OBAMA: I—Tim, I kept my own schedule. I didn’t have a scheduler.

Obama doesn’t have any records of his activites??? What a joke and an obvious lie. I guess when one keeps the company of terriosts, criminals and racists posing as Preachers then one needs to do hide it if they want to be president.

[jficquette]

[quote=LA_Renter]The National Review online (a very conservative publication) pretty much poo poohs this.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIzMDE2OTJiOTkwNmE3MTQwOWZiODYyZTBiMzdhMmI=

“I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said “the form is exactly the same” and it has “all the components of a birth certificate” record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is “rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.”[/quote]

That information is the same as I linked. I don’t see your point.

The point is Hawaii can’t verify the one online as authentic and Obama refuses to release the orginial. What his he hiding??

Here is an interesting exchange between Russert and Obama.

MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, “What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois,” you said, “I don’t know.” Where, where are the—where are your records?

SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I…

MR. RUSSERT: Are they gone?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, let’s be clear. In the state senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois.* The, the stuff that I did not keep has to do with, for example, my schedule. I didn’t have a schedule. I was a state senator. I wasn’t intending to have the Barack Obama State Senate Library. I didn’t have 50 or 500 people to, to help me archive these issues. So…

MR. RUSSERT: But your meetings with lobbyists and so forth, there’s no record of that?

SEN. OBAMA: I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now. And, as I said, news outlets have already looked at them.

MR. RUSSERT: Is your schedule available anywhere? Are—the records exist?

SEN. OBAMA: I—Tim, I kept my own schedule. I didn’t have a scheduler.

Obama doesn’t have any records of his activites??? What a joke and an obvious lie. I guess when one keeps the company of terriosts, criminals and racists posing as Preachers then one needs to do hide it if they want to be president.

[jficquette]

[quote=LA_Renter]The National Review online (a very conservative publication) pretty much poo poohs this.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIzMDE2OTJiOTkwNmE3MTQwOWZiODYyZTBiMzdhMmI=

“I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said “the form is exactly the same” and it has “all the components of a birth certificate” record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is “rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.”[/quote]

That information is the same as I linked. I don’t see your point.

The point is Hawaii can’t verify the one online as authentic and Obama refuses to release the orginial. What his he hiding??

Here is an interesting exchange between Russert and Obama.

MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, “What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois,” you said, “I don’t know.” Where, where are the—where are your records?

SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I…

MR. RUSSERT: Are they gone?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, let’s be clear. In the state senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois.* The, the stuff that I did not keep has to do with, for example, my schedule. I didn’t have a schedule. I was a state senator. I wasn’t intending to have the Barack Obama State Senate Library. I didn’t have 50 or 500 people to, to help me archive these issues. So…

MR. RUSSERT: But your meetings with lobbyists and so forth, there’s no record of that?

SEN. OBAMA: I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now. And, as I said, news outlets have already looked at them.

MR. RUSSERT: Is your schedule available anywhere? Are—the records exist?

SEN. OBAMA: I—Tim, I kept my own schedule. I didn’t have a scheduler.

Obama doesn’t have any records of his activites??? What a joke and an obvious lie. I guess when one keeps the company of terriosts, criminals and racists posing as Preachers then one needs to do hide it if they want to be president.

[jficquette]

[quote=LA_Renter]The National Review online (a very conservative publication) pretty much poo poohs this.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIzMDE2OTJiOTkwNmE3MTQwOWZiODYyZTBiMzdhMmI=

“I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said “the form is exactly the same” and it has “all the components of a birth certificate” record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

The “embossed seal” in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal.

I know I was one of the guys who wondered if there was something there when Obama initially refused to provide his birth certificate to PolitiFact. It seems many people continue to think that they will uncover something that will prove Obama was born in Kenya and is therefore ineligible for office of the presidency. As I wrote in the initial post, this scenario is “rather unlikely, as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.” I would add this would require Obama to lie about his birthplace in every interview going back to Harvard Law.”[/quote]

That information is the same as I linked. I don’t see your point.

The point is Hawaii can’t verify the one online as authentic and Obama refuses to release the orginial. What his he hiding??

Here is an interesting exchange between Russert and Obama.

MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, “What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois,” you said, “I don’t know.” Where, where are the—where are your records?

SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I…

MR. RUSSERT: Are they gone?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, let’s be clear. In the state senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois.* The, the stuff that I did not keep has to do with, for example, my schedule. I didn’t have a schedule. I was a state senator. I wasn’t intending to have the Barack Obama State Senate Library. I didn’t have 50 or 500 people to, to help me archive these issues. So…

MR. RUSSERT: But your meetings with lobbyists and so forth, there’s no record of that?

SEN. OBAMA: I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now. And, as I said, news outlets have already looked at them.

MR. RUSSERT: Is your schedule available anywhere? Are—the records exist?

SEN. OBAMA: I—Tim, I kept my own schedule. I didn’t have a scheduler.

Obama doesn’t have any records of his activites??? What a joke and an obvious lie. I guess when one keeps the company of terriosts, criminals and racists posing as Preachers then one needs to do hide it if they want to be president.

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