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gandalf
Participantucodegen, appreciate the excellent remarks. Apologize if I get a bit abrasive from time to time. Mixing it up with the facist Fox News brown shirts brings out the best in all of us.
In truth, I don’t know what the answer is. VAT? Flat? I know YOY valuation is impractical. Income is a decent approximation, if we could just tighten up the loopholes.
Definitely not a ‘fair system’ right now. Public finance is a mess, GOP is starving the beast, while billionaires and corporations within corps within corps play shell games with asset growth.
surveyor, what can I say? You lost your way a while ago. No ground control. You’re a sad and empty soul parroting twisted talking points handed down from GOP apparatchiks. Feel free to cut-n-paste more drivel…
gandalf
Participantucodegen, appreciate the excellent remarks. Apologize if I get a bit abrasive from time to time. Mixing it up with the facist Fox News brown shirts brings out the best in all of us.
In truth, I don’t know what the answer is. VAT? Flat? I know YOY valuation is impractical. Income is a decent approximation, if we could just tighten up the loopholes.
Definitely not a ‘fair system’ right now. Public finance is a mess, GOP is starving the beast, while billionaires and corporations within corps within corps play shell games with asset growth.
surveyor, what can I say? You lost your way a while ago. No ground control. You’re a sad and empty soul parroting twisted talking points handed down from GOP apparatchiks. Feel free to cut-n-paste more drivel…
gandalf
Participantucodegen, appreciate the excellent remarks. Apologize if I get a bit abrasive from time to time. Mixing it up with the facist Fox News brown shirts brings out the best in all of us.
In truth, I don’t know what the answer is. VAT? Flat? I know YOY valuation is impractical. Income is a decent approximation, if we could just tighten up the loopholes.
Definitely not a ‘fair system’ right now. Public finance is a mess, GOP is starving the beast, while billionaires and corporations within corps within corps play shell games with asset growth.
surveyor, what can I say? You lost your way a while ago. No ground control. You’re a sad and empty soul parroting twisted talking points handed down from GOP apparatchiks. Feel free to cut-n-paste more drivel…
gandalf
Participantucodegen, appreciate the excellent remarks. Apologize if I get a bit abrasive from time to time. Mixing it up with the facist Fox News brown shirts brings out the best in all of us.
In truth, I don’t know what the answer is. VAT? Flat? I know YOY valuation is impractical. Income is a decent approximation, if we could just tighten up the loopholes.
Definitely not a ‘fair system’ right now. Public finance is a mess, GOP is starving the beast, while billionaires and corporations within corps within corps play shell games with asset growth.
surveyor, what can I say? You lost your way a while ago. No ground control. You’re a sad and empty soul parroting twisted talking points handed down from GOP apparatchiks. Feel free to cut-n-paste more drivel…
gandalf
ParticipantNice post, ucodegen. Substantive.
I don’t think your post really addresses the core issue of what constitutes ‘taxable’ in the first place, which is where most of the avoidance occurs at higher levels, especially in corporate finance/accounting departments.
I’d be interested in your assessment of this underlying tax policy issue, avoidance strategies at the high-end. And I would dispute your assertion that ‘real tax’ is distributed fairly.
Substantial wealth is accrued by corporations and HNW-individuals without officially reporting the YOY differences as wealth as income or even as gains. In particular, numbers associated with offshore tax havens are unacceptably large at a time when public budgets everywhere are under duress.
So again, I’d be interested in a fair debate on this. My view is, I think taxes can be lower, and one of the mechanisms for reducing tax rates in a responsible way would be to reform the tax system to reduce avoidance at the high-end. Hard to understand why anybody would disagree.
gandalf
ParticipantNice post, ucodegen. Substantive.
I don’t think your post really addresses the core issue of what constitutes ‘taxable’ in the first place, which is where most of the avoidance occurs at higher levels, especially in corporate finance/accounting departments.
I’d be interested in your assessment of this underlying tax policy issue, avoidance strategies at the high-end. And I would dispute your assertion that ‘real tax’ is distributed fairly.
Substantial wealth is accrued by corporations and HNW-individuals without officially reporting the YOY differences as wealth as income or even as gains. In particular, numbers associated with offshore tax havens are unacceptably large at a time when public budgets everywhere are under duress.
So again, I’d be interested in a fair debate on this. My view is, I think taxes can be lower, and one of the mechanisms for reducing tax rates in a responsible way would be to reform the tax system to reduce avoidance at the high-end. Hard to understand why anybody would disagree.
gandalf
ParticipantNice post, ucodegen. Substantive.
I don’t think your post really addresses the core issue of what constitutes ‘taxable’ in the first place, which is where most of the avoidance occurs at higher levels, especially in corporate finance/accounting departments.
I’d be interested in your assessment of this underlying tax policy issue, avoidance strategies at the high-end. And I would dispute your assertion that ‘real tax’ is distributed fairly.
Substantial wealth is accrued by corporations and HNW-individuals without officially reporting the YOY differences as wealth as income or even as gains. In particular, numbers associated with offshore tax havens are unacceptably large at a time when public budgets everywhere are under duress.
So again, I’d be interested in a fair debate on this. My view is, I think taxes can be lower, and one of the mechanisms for reducing tax rates in a responsible way would be to reform the tax system to reduce avoidance at the high-end. Hard to understand why anybody would disagree.
gandalf
ParticipantNice post, ucodegen. Substantive.
I don’t think your post really addresses the core issue of what constitutes ‘taxable’ in the first place, which is where most of the avoidance occurs at higher levels, especially in corporate finance/accounting departments.
I’d be interested in your assessment of this underlying tax policy issue, avoidance strategies at the high-end. And I would dispute your assertion that ‘real tax’ is distributed fairly.
Substantial wealth is accrued by corporations and HNW-individuals without officially reporting the YOY differences as wealth as income or even as gains. In particular, numbers associated with offshore tax havens are unacceptably large at a time when public budgets everywhere are under duress.
So again, I’d be interested in a fair debate on this. My view is, I think taxes can be lower, and one of the mechanisms for reducing tax rates in a responsible way would be to reform the tax system to reduce avoidance at the high-end. Hard to understand why anybody would disagree.
gandalf
ParticipantNice post, ucodegen. Substantive.
I don’t think your post really addresses the core issue of what constitutes ‘taxable’ in the first place, which is where most of the avoidance occurs at higher levels, especially in corporate finance/accounting departments.
I’d be interested in your assessment of this underlying tax policy issue, avoidance strategies at the high-end. And I would dispute your assertion that ‘real tax’ is distributed fairly.
Substantial wealth is accrued by corporations and HNW-individuals without officially reporting the YOY differences as wealth as income or even as gains. In particular, numbers associated with offshore tax havens are unacceptably large at a time when public budgets everywhere are under duress.
So again, I’d be interested in a fair debate on this. My view is, I think taxes can be lower, and one of the mechanisms for reducing tax rates in a responsible way would be to reform the tax system to reduce avoidance at the high-end. Hard to understand why anybody would disagree.
gandalf
ParticipantThat doesn’t make sense, surveyor.
Most of what you say is just talking point crap.
It’s not my money. It’s not the democrats money. The money goes to fund our governments, local and federal, and the roads you drive on, the water you drink, the wars we fight (middle east anybody?), the police/fire crews, teachers who teach our children, parks they play in, etc… THEY ARE PAID FOR by our collective tax dollars.
You can argue about what government should and should not do. Personally, I don’t support fighting retarded wars in the middle east on behalf of oil companies. I see marginal benefit, and I think it’s waste of public resources that ignores larger energy sector issues and screws over my generation. (Thanks, Boomers.)
Regardless where the money goes…
Only clueless right-wing tools would argue that giant corporations like BP and Wal-Mart get to legally avoid and evade taxes while the rest of us carry the burden.
That whole Tea Party thing, basically, after you subtract Ron Paul (who I like), their entire value system is a fraud, front operation for the Republican Party.
Tax policy needs to be reformed. If the policy structure was made more even, loopholes closed, studies show you could lower overall tax rates and still collect as much revenue by reducing avoidance, which would stimulate the economy and ADD JOBS.
Rant on, tea baggers.
gandalf
ParticipantThat doesn’t make sense, surveyor.
Most of what you say is just talking point crap.
It’s not my money. It’s not the democrats money. The money goes to fund our governments, local and federal, and the roads you drive on, the water you drink, the wars we fight (middle east anybody?), the police/fire crews, teachers who teach our children, parks they play in, etc… THEY ARE PAID FOR by our collective tax dollars.
You can argue about what government should and should not do. Personally, I don’t support fighting retarded wars in the middle east on behalf of oil companies. I see marginal benefit, and I think it’s waste of public resources that ignores larger energy sector issues and screws over my generation. (Thanks, Boomers.)
Regardless where the money goes…
Only clueless right-wing tools would argue that giant corporations like BP and Wal-Mart get to legally avoid and evade taxes while the rest of us carry the burden.
That whole Tea Party thing, basically, after you subtract Ron Paul (who I like), their entire value system is a fraud, front operation for the Republican Party.
Tax policy needs to be reformed. If the policy structure was made more even, loopholes closed, studies show you could lower overall tax rates and still collect as much revenue by reducing avoidance, which would stimulate the economy and ADD JOBS.
Rant on, tea baggers.
gandalf
ParticipantThat doesn’t make sense, surveyor.
Most of what you say is just talking point crap.
It’s not my money. It’s not the democrats money. The money goes to fund our governments, local and federal, and the roads you drive on, the water you drink, the wars we fight (middle east anybody?), the police/fire crews, teachers who teach our children, parks they play in, etc… THEY ARE PAID FOR by our collective tax dollars.
You can argue about what government should and should not do. Personally, I don’t support fighting retarded wars in the middle east on behalf of oil companies. I see marginal benefit, and I think it’s waste of public resources that ignores larger energy sector issues and screws over my generation. (Thanks, Boomers.)
Regardless where the money goes…
Only clueless right-wing tools would argue that giant corporations like BP and Wal-Mart get to legally avoid and evade taxes while the rest of us carry the burden.
That whole Tea Party thing, basically, after you subtract Ron Paul (who I like), their entire value system is a fraud, front operation for the Republican Party.
Tax policy needs to be reformed. If the policy structure was made more even, loopholes closed, studies show you could lower overall tax rates and still collect as much revenue by reducing avoidance, which would stimulate the economy and ADD JOBS.
Rant on, tea baggers.
gandalf
ParticipantThat doesn’t make sense, surveyor.
Most of what you say is just talking point crap.
It’s not my money. It’s not the democrats money. The money goes to fund our governments, local and federal, and the roads you drive on, the water you drink, the wars we fight (middle east anybody?), the police/fire crews, teachers who teach our children, parks they play in, etc… THEY ARE PAID FOR by our collective tax dollars.
You can argue about what government should and should not do. Personally, I don’t support fighting retarded wars in the middle east on behalf of oil companies. I see marginal benefit, and I think it’s waste of public resources that ignores larger energy sector issues and screws over my generation. (Thanks, Boomers.)
Regardless where the money goes…
Only clueless right-wing tools would argue that giant corporations like BP and Wal-Mart get to legally avoid and evade taxes while the rest of us carry the burden.
That whole Tea Party thing, basically, after you subtract Ron Paul (who I like), their entire value system is a fraud, front operation for the Republican Party.
Tax policy needs to be reformed. If the policy structure was made more even, loopholes closed, studies show you could lower overall tax rates and still collect as much revenue by reducing avoidance, which would stimulate the economy and ADD JOBS.
Rant on, tea baggers.
gandalf
ParticipantThat doesn’t make sense, surveyor.
Most of what you say is just talking point crap.
It’s not my money. It’s not the democrats money. The money goes to fund our governments, local and federal, and the roads you drive on, the water you drink, the wars we fight (middle east anybody?), the police/fire crews, teachers who teach our children, parks they play in, etc… THEY ARE PAID FOR by our collective tax dollars.
You can argue about what government should and should not do. Personally, I don’t support fighting retarded wars in the middle east on behalf of oil companies. I see marginal benefit, and I think it’s waste of public resources that ignores larger energy sector issues and screws over my generation. (Thanks, Boomers.)
Regardless where the money goes…
Only clueless right-wing tools would argue that giant corporations like BP and Wal-Mart get to legally avoid and evade taxes while the rest of us carry the burden.
That whole Tea Party thing, basically, after you subtract Ron Paul (who I like), their entire value system is a fraud, front operation for the Republican Party.
Tax policy needs to be reformed. If the policy structure was made more even, loopholes closed, studies show you could lower overall tax rates and still collect as much revenue by reducing avoidance, which would stimulate the economy and ADD JOBS.
Rant on, tea baggers.
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