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Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.Participant[quote=briansd1]
A fetus is not a baby because it’s not been born yet and it can’t have any feelings or even a conscience.
It’s an “it” for a reason. It’s not a “he” or a “she”.
If I had been aborted, then I wouldn’t know any better so it wouldn’t matter to me. [/quote]
The question that I asked regarding whether or not you thought that a premature baby had feelings was in reference to this statement that you made.
It was not a legal question. Obviously abortion is legal and there’s not much any one person can do about it. I’m not trying to change your mind because I know that once a person has dug in their heels on an issue like this it’s pretty futile to try. I’m just wondering when you think a baby or “fetus” starts to have feelings. It’s interesting to me because I used to think the way you do. It never occured to me to do anything else but abort an unwanted pregnancy because it’s just a ball of cells- right? I didn’t change my mind until I went through my own (wanted) pregnancy and saw through ultrasounds how early the baby is formed and seems sensate. It has been shown, for example, that a fetus at 9 weeks responds to light touching of the feet and face. Fetuses will also start to touch their own genitals very early on. I have an ultrasound video of my youngest child yawning when I was 16 weeks pregnant.Participant[quote=Arraya]Global capitalism has been the national religion of the US for some time now and the policy makers are fundamentalists. [/quote]
Arraya, you’re forgetting about the die-hard environmentalists. THAT is a religion.
And Brian, you can’t possibly think that just because a fetus isn’t born it has no feelings. How about babies that are born prematurely- do they have feelings?
Participant[quote=Arraya]Global capitalism has been the national religion of the US for some time now and the policy makers are fundamentalists. [/quote]
Arraya, you’re forgetting about the die-hard environmentalists. THAT is a religion.
And Brian, you can’t possibly think that just because a fetus isn’t born it has no feelings. How about babies that are born prematurely- do they have feelings?
Participant[quote=Arraya]Global capitalism has been the national religion of the US for some time now and the policy makers are fundamentalists. [/quote]
Arraya, you’re forgetting about the die-hard environmentalists. THAT is a religion.
And Brian, you can’t possibly think that just because a fetus isn’t born it has no feelings. How about babies that are born prematurely- do they have feelings?
Participant[quote=Arraya]Global capitalism has been the national religion of the US for some time now and the policy makers are fundamentalists. [/quote]
Arraya, you’re forgetting about the die-hard environmentalists. THAT is a religion.
And Brian, you can’t possibly think that just because a fetus isn’t born it has no feelings. How about babies that are born prematurely- do they have feelings?
Participant[quote=Arraya]Global capitalism has been the national religion of the US for some time now and the policy makers are fundamentalists. [/quote]
Arraya, you’re forgetting about the die-hard environmentalists. THAT is a religion.
And Brian, you can’t possibly think that just because a fetus isn’t born it has no feelings. How about babies that are born prematurely- do they have feelings?
Participant[quote=temeculaguy][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Aecetia]TG-
Go ahead and tell them about living on a cruise ship.[/quote]Aecetia: You never miss an opportunity to bus toss ole TG, do you?
Geez, does he owe you money or something?[/quote]
She’s trying to give away all my secrets, but if everyone knows they will get ruined, O.K. I’ll share the idea, I might need a wingman anyway. Long before piggington she asked me why I jogged, refused to eat sugar, took tango lessons and squireled away my money. My response, When i’m 70 and all the other old dudes are dead or broke, I’m gonna live on cruise ships and chase all the widows (the ratio is like 10-1 on ships, especially in alaska and florida and on longer cruises, single men just don’t go much), then get off the boat, get on another and go until I drop dead. I figured I need about 2000 a week in todays dollars as my retirement income without touching my principal and that is how I have my finances planned. It’s not just another of tg’s crazy and funny plans, I have this one all worked out, hyperinflation or health problems can derail it however.
You’ve heard of the buckets of money retirement strategy, well this is different, I call it the “Cialis at Sea” retirement strategy.[/quote]
This is hilarious and very smart. Any guy with brains should know that the best way to impress women is to be a good dancer (tango especially- very sexy). I always tell my single guy friend who are looking to meet women that you need to go where the women are. Pilates classes, dance classes, yoga.
Participant[quote=temeculaguy][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Aecetia]TG-
Go ahead and tell them about living on a cruise ship.[/quote]Aecetia: You never miss an opportunity to bus toss ole TG, do you?
Geez, does he owe you money or something?[/quote]
She’s trying to give away all my secrets, but if everyone knows they will get ruined, O.K. I’ll share the idea, I might need a wingman anyway. Long before piggington she asked me why I jogged, refused to eat sugar, took tango lessons and squireled away my money. My response, When i’m 70 and all the other old dudes are dead or broke, I’m gonna live on cruise ships and chase all the widows (the ratio is like 10-1 on ships, especially in alaska and florida and on longer cruises, single men just don’t go much), then get off the boat, get on another and go until I drop dead. I figured I need about 2000 a week in todays dollars as my retirement income without touching my principal and that is how I have my finances planned. It’s not just another of tg’s crazy and funny plans, I have this one all worked out, hyperinflation or health problems can derail it however.
You’ve heard of the buckets of money retirement strategy, well this is different, I call it the “Cialis at Sea” retirement strategy.[/quote]
This is hilarious and very smart. Any guy with brains should know that the best way to impress women is to be a good dancer (tango especially- very sexy). I always tell my single guy friend who are looking to meet women that you need to go where the women are. Pilates classes, dance classes, yoga.
Participant[quote=temeculaguy][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Aecetia]TG-
Go ahead and tell them about living on a cruise ship.[/quote]Aecetia: You never miss an opportunity to bus toss ole TG, do you?
Geez, does he owe you money or something?[/quote]
She’s trying to give away all my secrets, but if everyone knows they will get ruined, O.K. I’ll share the idea, I might need a wingman anyway. Long before piggington she asked me why I jogged, refused to eat sugar, took tango lessons and squireled away my money. My response, When i’m 70 and all the other old dudes are dead or broke, I’m gonna live on cruise ships and chase all the widows (the ratio is like 10-1 on ships, especially in alaska and florida and on longer cruises, single men just don’t go much), then get off the boat, get on another and go until I drop dead. I figured I need about 2000 a week in todays dollars as my retirement income without touching my principal and that is how I have my finances planned. It’s not just another of tg’s crazy and funny plans, I have this one all worked out, hyperinflation or health problems can derail it however.
You’ve heard of the buckets of money retirement strategy, well this is different, I call it the “Cialis at Sea” retirement strategy.[/quote]
This is hilarious and very smart. Any guy with brains should know that the best way to impress women is to be a good dancer (tango especially- very sexy). I always tell my single guy friend who are looking to meet women that you need to go where the women are. Pilates classes, dance classes, yoga.
Participant[quote=temeculaguy][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Aecetia]TG-
Go ahead and tell them about living on a cruise ship.[/quote]Aecetia: You never miss an opportunity to bus toss ole TG, do you?
Geez, does he owe you money or something?[/quote]
She’s trying to give away all my secrets, but if everyone knows they will get ruined, O.K. I’ll share the idea, I might need a wingman anyway. Long before piggington she asked me why I jogged, refused to eat sugar, took tango lessons and squireled away my money. My response, When i’m 70 and all the other old dudes are dead or broke, I’m gonna live on cruise ships and chase all the widows (the ratio is like 10-1 on ships, especially in alaska and florida and on longer cruises, single men just don’t go much), then get off the boat, get on another and go until I drop dead. I figured I need about 2000 a week in todays dollars as my retirement income without touching my principal and that is how I have my finances planned. It’s not just another of tg’s crazy and funny plans, I have this one all worked out, hyperinflation or health problems can derail it however.
You’ve heard of the buckets of money retirement strategy, well this is different, I call it the “Cialis at Sea” retirement strategy.[/quote]
This is hilarious and very smart. Any guy with brains should know that the best way to impress women is to be a good dancer (tango especially- very sexy). I always tell my single guy friend who are looking to meet women that you need to go where the women are. Pilates classes, dance classes, yoga.
Participant[quote=temeculaguy][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Aecetia]TG-
Go ahead and tell them about living on a cruise ship.[/quote]Aecetia: You never miss an opportunity to bus toss ole TG, do you?
Geez, does he owe you money or something?[/quote]
She’s trying to give away all my secrets, but if everyone knows they will get ruined, O.K. I’ll share the idea, I might need a wingman anyway. Long before piggington she asked me why I jogged, refused to eat sugar, took tango lessons and squireled away my money. My response, When i’m 70 and all the other old dudes are dead or broke, I’m gonna live on cruise ships and chase all the widows (the ratio is like 10-1 on ships, especially in alaska and florida and on longer cruises, single men just don’t go much), then get off the boat, get on another and go until I drop dead. I figured I need about 2000 a week in todays dollars as my retirement income without touching my principal and that is how I have my finances planned. It’s not just another of tg’s crazy and funny plans, I have this one all worked out, hyperinflation or health problems can derail it however.
You’ve heard of the buckets of money retirement strategy, well this is different, I call it the “Cialis at Sea” retirement strategy.[/quote]
This is hilarious and very smart. Any guy with brains should know that the best way to impress women is to be a good dancer (tango especially- very sexy). I always tell my single guy friend who are looking to meet women that you need to go where the women are. Pilates classes, dance classes, yoga.
ParticipantVegas lost it’s charm for me when they started trying to “class it up”. In college we used to have some great times scouting out the cheesiest lounge acts and playing those nickle plastic horse racing games while scoring free drinks.
I remember this great tiki bar that was like a plastic tropical plant oasis with a dancing waters show. And prime rib dinners for $2.99. Now, not only is Vegas not classy, but it’s not cheesy enough to be fun anymore either. It used to have a certain innocence about it (despite being run by the mob) that no longer exists. -
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