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The Canon TL QL given to me by my grandfather whilst I was in elementary school. I still have that camera in mint condition other than the sticky meter needle.

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The Canon TL QL given to me by my grandfather whilst I was in elementary school. I still have that camera in mint condition other than the sticky meter needle.

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The Canon TL QL given to me by my grandfather whilst I was in elementary school. I still have that camera in mint condition other than the sticky meter needle.

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The Canon TL QL given to me by my grandfather whilst I was in elementary school. I still have that camera in mint condition other than the sticky meter needle.

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The Canon TL QL given to me by my grandfather whilst I was in elementary school. I still have that camera in mint condition other than the sticky meter needle.

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[quote=jpinpb]nsr – I would imagine that the increase in wage is OT. Before anyone goes on about OT being a good thing, many times it is just not a choice or option. It is a requirement. Even when they say it’s voluntary, if you don’t do it, you’re not a team player. Yes, they get compensated. But many times I’m sure they would rather be w/their family or surfing or riding dirt bikes or whatever hobbies people have in their lives. And if there’s a fire, they would work however long and necessary and required until the fire is out and that often is many days on end. The OT is not a plus, even though they get compensated for it. And as CAR alluded, it is still cheaper to pay the overtime, than hire new people.[/quote]

Give us a break. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has worked in the private sector working 70+ hour weeks without ANY additional pay. It’s called working on a salary and you stay in the office all night and on weekends because you’ve got a job to do and you want to keep it.

Moreover, I could be wrong, but I think sdr’s numbers understate the true compensation by quite a bit. There are also benefits and retirement that probably add about $40,000 a year to those numbers.

And those salary range numbers — which don’t reflect real compensation — explain a lot about why more folks don’t go out for these jobs. As the real numbers that sdr pointed out get out there more and more people are going to be trying to sign up for the gravy train.

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[quote=jpinpb]nsr – I would imagine that the increase in wage is OT. Before anyone goes on about OT being a good thing, many times it is just not a choice or option. It is a requirement. Even when they say it’s voluntary, if you don’t do it, you’re not a team player. Yes, they get compensated. But many times I’m sure they would rather be w/their family or surfing or riding dirt bikes or whatever hobbies people have in their lives. And if there’s a fire, they would work however long and necessary and required until the fire is out and that often is many days on end. The OT is not a plus, even though they get compensated for it. And as CAR alluded, it is still cheaper to pay the overtime, than hire new people.[/quote]

Give us a break. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has worked in the private sector working 70+ hour weeks without ANY additional pay. It’s called working on a salary and you stay in the office all night and on weekends because you’ve got a job to do and you want to keep it.

Moreover, I could be wrong, but I think sdr’s numbers understate the true compensation by quite a bit. There are also benefits and retirement that probably add about $40,000 a year to those numbers.

And those salary range numbers — which don’t reflect real compensation — explain a lot about why more folks don’t go out for these jobs. As the real numbers that sdr pointed out get out there more and more people are going to be trying to sign up for the gravy train.

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[quote=jpinpb]nsr – I would imagine that the increase in wage is OT. Before anyone goes on about OT being a good thing, many times it is just not a choice or option. It is a requirement. Even when they say it’s voluntary, if you don’t do it, you’re not a team player. Yes, they get compensated. But many times I’m sure they would rather be w/their family or surfing or riding dirt bikes or whatever hobbies people have in their lives. And if there’s a fire, they would work however long and necessary and required until the fire is out and that often is many days on end. The OT is not a plus, even though they get compensated for it. And as CAR alluded, it is still cheaper to pay the overtime, than hire new people.[/quote]

Give us a break. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has worked in the private sector working 70+ hour weeks without ANY additional pay. It’s called working on a salary and you stay in the office all night and on weekends because you’ve got a job to do and you want to keep it.

Moreover, I could be wrong, but I think sdr’s numbers understate the true compensation by quite a bit. There are also benefits and retirement that probably add about $40,000 a year to those numbers.

And those salary range numbers — which don’t reflect real compensation — explain a lot about why more folks don’t go out for these jobs. As the real numbers that sdr pointed out get out there more and more people are going to be trying to sign up for the gravy train.

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[quote=jpinpb]nsr – I would imagine that the increase in wage is OT. Before anyone goes on about OT being a good thing, many times it is just not a choice or option. It is a requirement. Even when they say it’s voluntary, if you don’t do it, you’re not a team player. Yes, they get compensated. But many times I’m sure they would rather be w/their family or surfing or riding dirt bikes or whatever hobbies people have in their lives. And if there’s a fire, they would work however long and necessary and required until the fire is out and that often is many days on end. The OT is not a plus, even though they get compensated for it. And as CAR alluded, it is still cheaper to pay the overtime, than hire new people.[/quote]

Give us a break. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has worked in the private sector working 70+ hour weeks without ANY additional pay. It’s called working on a salary and you stay in the office all night and on weekends because you’ve got a job to do and you want to keep it.

Moreover, I could be wrong, but I think sdr’s numbers understate the true compensation by quite a bit. There are also benefits and retirement that probably add about $40,000 a year to those numbers.

And those salary range numbers — which don’t reflect real compensation — explain a lot about why more folks don’t go out for these jobs. As the real numbers that sdr pointed out get out there more and more people are going to be trying to sign up for the gravy train.

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[quote=jpinpb]nsr – I would imagine that the increase in wage is OT. Before anyone goes on about OT being a good thing, many times it is just not a choice or option. It is a requirement. Even when they say it’s voluntary, if you don’t do it, you’re not a team player. Yes, they get compensated. But many times I’m sure they would rather be w/their family or surfing or riding dirt bikes or whatever hobbies people have in their lives. And if there’s a fire, they would work however long and necessary and required until the fire is out and that often is many days on end. The OT is not a plus, even though they get compensated for it. And as CAR alluded, it is still cheaper to pay the overtime, than hire new people.[/quote]

Give us a break. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has worked in the private sector working 70+ hour weeks without ANY additional pay. It’s called working on a salary and you stay in the office all night and on weekends because you’ve got a job to do and you want to keep it.

Moreover, I could be wrong, but I think sdr’s numbers understate the true compensation by quite a bit. There are also benefits and retirement that probably add about $40,000 a year to those numbers.

And those salary range numbers — which don’t reflect real compensation — explain a lot about why more folks don’t go out for these jobs. As the real numbers that sdr pointed out get out there more and more people are going to be trying to sign up for the gravy train.

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[quote=bearishgurl]Just found some commentary on this decision by USD Law Professor Shaun Martin.

http://calapp.blogspot.com/2010/10/holmes-v-summer-cal-ct-app-oct-6-2010.html%5B/quote%5D

Folks stopping reading this thread may want to read this link first. Thanks, by the way.

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[quote=bearishgurl]Just found some commentary on this decision by USD Law Professor Shaun Martin.

http://calapp.blogspot.com/2010/10/holmes-v-summer-cal-ct-app-oct-6-2010.html%5B/quote%5D

Folks stopping reading this thread may want to read this link first. Thanks, by the way.

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[quote=bearishgurl]Just found some commentary on this decision by USD Law Professor Shaun Martin.

http://calapp.blogspot.com/2010/10/holmes-v-summer-cal-ct-app-oct-6-2010.html%5B/quote%5D

Folks stopping reading this thread may want to read this link first. Thanks, by the way.

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[quote=bearishgurl]Just found some commentary on this decision by USD Law Professor Shaun Martin.

http://calapp.blogspot.com/2010/10/holmes-v-summer-cal-ct-app-oct-6-2010.html%5B/quote%5D

Folks stopping reading this thread may want to read this link first. Thanks, by the way.

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[quote=bearishgurl]Just found some commentary on this decision by USD Law Professor Shaun Martin.

http://calapp.blogspot.com/2010/10/holmes-v-summer-cal-ct-app-oct-6-2010.html%5B/quote%5D

Folks stopping reading this thread may want to read this link first. Thanks, by the way.

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