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Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Our
In my opinion, the post office, schools, the DMV all should be privatized. Whatever the government touches it ruins.[/quote]Yes, private sector will do the same great job that they pulled off with banks, healthcare etc.
Question: What is the solution to XYZ problem?
Republican Answer: Cut taxes, reduce spending, private sector, deregulation.
Democrat Answer: more taxes, more spending, public sector, regulation.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Our
In my opinion, the post office, schools, the DMV all should be privatized. Whatever the government touches it ruins.[/quote]Yes, private sector will do the same great job that they pulled off with banks, healthcare etc.
Question: What is the solution to XYZ problem?
Republican Answer: Cut taxes, reduce spending, private sector, deregulation.
Democrat Answer: more taxes, more spending, public sector, regulation.
Participant[quote=creechrr]I don’t know that this is a rant speficically about California. You could substitute just about any state for California. The nation as a whole in the crapper. I suggest everyone listen for the woosh and prepare for rotation.
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Having lived outside USA, I would say you can also substitute any country for California. The world as a whole is in crapper. I am waiting for Martians to come and take over
Participant[quote=creechrr]I don’t know that this is a rant speficically about California. You could substitute just about any state for California. The nation as a whole in the crapper. I suggest everyone listen for the woosh and prepare for rotation.
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Having lived outside USA, I would say you can also substitute any country for California. The world as a whole is in crapper. I am waiting for Martians to come and take over
Participant[quote=creechrr]I don’t know that this is a rant speficically about California. You could substitute just about any state for California. The nation as a whole in the crapper. I suggest everyone listen for the woosh and prepare for rotation.
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Having lived outside USA, I would say you can also substitute any country for California. The world as a whole is in crapper. I am waiting for Martians to come and take over
Participant[quote=creechrr]I don’t know that this is a rant speficically about California. You could substitute just about any state for California. The nation as a whole in the crapper. I suggest everyone listen for the woosh and prepare for rotation.
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Having lived outside USA, I would say you can also substitute any country for California. The world as a whole is in crapper. I am waiting for Martians to come and take over
Participant[quote=creechrr]I don’t know that this is a rant speficically about California. You could substitute just about any state for California. The nation as a whole in the crapper. I suggest everyone listen for the woosh and prepare for rotation.
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Having lived outside USA, I would say you can also substitute any country for California. The world as a whole is in crapper. I am waiting for Martians to come and take over
June 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM in reply to: Pivotal Day in US History Supreme Court says FU to Contract Law #414034ParticipantIf you take time to read the text of Supreme courts order, (which can be found here at http://tinyurl.com/kj2n7r), you will find that Supreme court only declined to stay the sale as requested by the parties. They have made it clear that this not a judgement on the underlying legal issues of the case. They note that th parties requesting the stay have not provided sufficient reasons to grant a stay.
Presumably, the legal issues you are worried about may come in front of the supreme court at some other day.
June 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM in reply to: Pivotal Day in US History Supreme Court says FU to Contract Law #414272ParticipantIf you take time to read the text of Supreme courts order, (which can be found here at http://tinyurl.com/kj2n7r), you will find that Supreme court only declined to stay the sale as requested by the parties. They have made it clear that this not a judgement on the underlying legal issues of the case. They note that th parties requesting the stay have not provided sufficient reasons to grant a stay.
Presumably, the legal issues you are worried about may come in front of the supreme court at some other day.
June 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM in reply to: Pivotal Day in US History Supreme Court says FU to Contract Law #414526ParticipantIf you take time to read the text of Supreme courts order, (which can be found here at http://tinyurl.com/kj2n7r), you will find that Supreme court only declined to stay the sale as requested by the parties. They have made it clear that this not a judgement on the underlying legal issues of the case. They note that th parties requesting the stay have not provided sufficient reasons to grant a stay.
Presumably, the legal issues you are worried about may come in front of the supreme court at some other day.
June 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM in reply to: Pivotal Day in US History Supreme Court says FU to Contract Law #414593ParticipantIf you take time to read the text of Supreme courts order, (which can be found here at http://tinyurl.com/kj2n7r), you will find that Supreme court only declined to stay the sale as requested by the parties. They have made it clear that this not a judgement on the underlying legal issues of the case. They note that th parties requesting the stay have not provided sufficient reasons to grant a stay.
Presumably, the legal issues you are worried about may come in front of the supreme court at some other day.
June 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM in reply to: Pivotal Day in US History Supreme Court says FU to Contract Law #414748ParticipantIf you take time to read the text of Supreme courts order, (which can be found here at http://tinyurl.com/kj2n7r), you will find that Supreme court only declined to stay the sale as requested by the parties. They have made it clear that this not a judgement on the underlying legal issues of the case. They note that th parties requesting the stay have not provided sufficient reasons to grant a stay.
Presumably, the legal issues you are worried about may come in front of the supreme court at some other day.
Participant[quote=kicksavedave]Really, we should just send them all home, or at least while they are here don’t give them any medicine at all. I won’t mind paying $14 for a head of lettuce, $11 per avocado, and $15 for an artichoke.
[/quote]I don’t think this will happen. As long as we are open for trade; if we do not have cheap enough labor to pick lattuce here, we will import lattuce from south of the border (perhaps picked by the same people who are picking it up here). The same goes for a lot of things mentioned here. I do realize that we can import a mowed lawn or haricut from Mexico. However, if the prices for those rose sufficiently high, people might mow their own lawn and maybe give each-other haircuts!
Which brings me to my assertion that money spent on illegal immigration is really another form of subsidy to local farmers, homeowners, companies and such who employ this labor.
A far better system would have been to recognize the need that we need cheap labor in here to keep farming etc. domestic. Then offer temporary work visas for this and make sure that the employers who benefit from this contribute their fair share of costs incurred by the society. If job market is hot, we can increase such visas and reduce them in the time of recession.
Unfortunately people who benefit from current system (of keeping people in shadows) will perpatuate till eternity.
Participant[quote=kicksavedave]Really, we should just send them all home, or at least while they are here don’t give them any medicine at all. I won’t mind paying $14 for a head of lettuce, $11 per avocado, and $15 for an artichoke.
[/quote]I don’t think this will happen. As long as we are open for trade; if we do not have cheap enough labor to pick lattuce here, we will import lattuce from south of the border (perhaps picked by the same people who are picking it up here). The same goes for a lot of things mentioned here. I do realize that we can import a mowed lawn or haricut from Mexico. However, if the prices for those rose sufficiently high, people might mow their own lawn and maybe give each-other haircuts!
Which brings me to my assertion that money spent on illegal immigration is really another form of subsidy to local farmers, homeowners, companies and such who employ this labor.
A far better system would have been to recognize the need that we need cheap labor in here to keep farming etc. domestic. Then offer temporary work visas for this and make sure that the employers who benefit from this contribute their fair share of costs incurred by the society. If job market is hot, we can increase such visas and reduce them in the time of recession.
Unfortunately people who benefit from current system (of keeping people in shadows) will perpatuate till eternity.
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