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eavesdropper
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Eavesdropper: Speaking of available on the web AND a good piece of journalism:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965This is Tim Dickinson’s Rolling Stone article on Obama and the Gulf spill. RS is usually center-left and generally “friendly” towards the Obama White House. In this case, not so much. Good, well-researched article and one that doesn’t play fast and loose with the facts, nor does it present as an “opinion” piece (a convenient mechanism that many newspapers and periodicals use to try and hide the slant).[/quote]
Thanks, Allan. I get so hungry for writing that actually qualifies as journalism that I really don’t give a rat’s ass if it casts a politician, government official, or any other individual about whom I may have a favorable opinion, in an unfavorable light. I want my government leaders to be held up to the light in regard to their job performances. I don’t want them to have false charges lodged or questionable aspersions cast against them, nor do I want “whitewash” reporting that sounds like it came from a PR office. I just want unbiased, factual, unemotional reporting of what these people do on a daily basis.
I, too, have noticed the growing absence of reporters on the pages of newspapers and magazines, replaced by an increasing number of “opinion writers” or “commentators”. If I gave a damn about some idiot’s opinion, I’d still be paying visits to my family on holidays. Worse yet is the regular appearance of reporters from some of the newspapers on shows such as Keith Olbermann’s or Rachel Maddow’s in a faux-interview setting. Whether or not I agree with them is irrelevant: when they appear on shows with self-admitted political bias, day after day, and spout out “responses” that align 100% with the opinions of the host, how can I possibly trust what they write in a news story, on ANY topic?
You’re right: a major cataclysmic change is taking place in the news industry and in journalism, and I’m not sure that there will be a Fourth Estate remaining when the dust settles.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=Arraya]….His latest book: Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle[/quote]
Sounds like one I’d like. Thanks for the tip.
BTW, there was a movie that Tim Robbins made in the late 90s, based on the whole “Cradle Will Rock” debacle. It is a somewhat uneven film, but has a stellar cast that gives performances that make you forget the film’s flaws.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=Arraya]….His latest book: Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle[/quote]
Sounds like one I’d like. Thanks for the tip.
BTW, there was a movie that Tim Robbins made in the late 90s, based on the whole “Cradle Will Rock” debacle. It is a somewhat uneven film, but has a stellar cast that gives performances that make you forget the film’s flaws.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=Arraya]….His latest book: Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle[/quote]
Sounds like one I’d like. Thanks for the tip.
BTW, there was a movie that Tim Robbins made in the late 90s, based on the whole “Cradle Will Rock” debacle. It is a somewhat uneven film, but has a stellar cast that gives performances that make you forget the film’s flaws.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=Arraya]….His latest book: Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle[/quote]
Sounds like one I’d like. Thanks for the tip.
BTW, there was a movie that Tim Robbins made in the late 90s, based on the whole “Cradle Will Rock” debacle. It is a somewhat uneven film, but has a stellar cast that gives performances that make you forget the film’s flaws.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=Arraya]….His latest book: Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle[/quote]
Sounds like one I’d like. Thanks for the tip.
BTW, there was a movie that Tim Robbins made in the late 90s, based on the whole “Cradle Will Rock” debacle. It is a somewhat uneven film, but has a stellar cast that gives performances that make you forget the film’s flaws.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=flu] It’s not just newspaper though. Magazines are hurting too. ….[/quote]
Yeah, I left that out, but was including them in my analysis (did so in an earlier post). I certainly won’t spend the money their publishers want at the newstand. Most times, the content is mostly bullshit, and often it is available on the Web.
[quote=flu] I had a free trial subscription for a few magazines in the auto,news,finance, and 2 years later after cancelling them, they keep sending them to me, even though I’ve called them every 6 months confirming I’m not a subscriber…[/quote]
You have to make sure that a magazine company or distribution outlet doesn’t have your credit card number, or else they’ll keep you on as a subscriber forever, continuing to charge your card. Years ago, my daughter bought a CD in a store, and naively agreed to their offer of a “free” mini-subscription to a magazine of her choice. You should have seen us trying to get that stopped. Luckily, my husband displaced our debit card, and we had to get new ones. Otherwise, I’d still be receiving that rag, and probably 6 or 7 others.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=flu] It’s not just newspaper though. Magazines are hurting too. ….[/quote]
Yeah, I left that out, but was including them in my analysis (did so in an earlier post). I certainly won’t spend the money their publishers want at the newstand. Most times, the content is mostly bullshit, and often it is available on the Web.
[quote=flu] I had a free trial subscription for a few magazines in the auto,news,finance, and 2 years later after cancelling them, they keep sending them to me, even though I’ve called them every 6 months confirming I’m not a subscriber…[/quote]
You have to make sure that a magazine company or distribution outlet doesn’t have your credit card number, or else they’ll keep you on as a subscriber forever, continuing to charge your card. Years ago, my daughter bought a CD in a store, and naively agreed to their offer of a “free” mini-subscription to a magazine of her choice. You should have seen us trying to get that stopped. Luckily, my husband displaced our debit card, and we had to get new ones. Otherwise, I’d still be receiving that rag, and probably 6 or 7 others.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=flu] It’s not just newspaper though. Magazines are hurting too. ….[/quote]
Yeah, I left that out, but was including them in my analysis (did so in an earlier post). I certainly won’t spend the money their publishers want at the newstand. Most times, the content is mostly bullshit, and often it is available on the Web.
[quote=flu] I had a free trial subscription for a few magazines in the auto,news,finance, and 2 years later after cancelling them, they keep sending them to me, even though I’ve called them every 6 months confirming I’m not a subscriber…[/quote]
You have to make sure that a magazine company or distribution outlet doesn’t have your credit card number, or else they’ll keep you on as a subscriber forever, continuing to charge your card. Years ago, my daughter bought a CD in a store, and naively agreed to their offer of a “free” mini-subscription to a magazine of her choice. You should have seen us trying to get that stopped. Luckily, my husband displaced our debit card, and we had to get new ones. Otherwise, I’d still be receiving that rag, and probably 6 or 7 others.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=flu] It’s not just newspaper though. Magazines are hurting too. ….[/quote]
Yeah, I left that out, but was including them in my analysis (did so in an earlier post). I certainly won’t spend the money their publishers want at the newstand. Most times, the content is mostly bullshit, and often it is available on the Web.
[quote=flu] I had a free trial subscription for a few magazines in the auto,news,finance, and 2 years later after cancelling them, they keep sending them to me, even though I’ve called them every 6 months confirming I’m not a subscriber…[/quote]
You have to make sure that a magazine company or distribution outlet doesn’t have your credit card number, or else they’ll keep you on as a subscriber forever, continuing to charge your card. Years ago, my daughter bought a CD in a store, and naively agreed to their offer of a “free” mini-subscription to a magazine of her choice. You should have seen us trying to get that stopped. Luckily, my husband displaced our debit card, and we had to get new ones. Otherwise, I’d still be receiving that rag, and probably 6 or 7 others.
eavesdropper
Participant[quote=flu] It’s not just newspaper though. Magazines are hurting too. ….[/quote]
Yeah, I left that out, but was including them in my analysis (did so in an earlier post). I certainly won’t spend the money their publishers want at the newstand. Most times, the content is mostly bullshit, and often it is available on the Web.
[quote=flu] I had a free trial subscription for a few magazines in the auto,news,finance, and 2 years later after cancelling them, they keep sending them to me, even though I’ve called them every 6 months confirming I’m not a subscriber…[/quote]
You have to make sure that a magazine company or distribution outlet doesn’t have your credit card number, or else they’ll keep you on as a subscriber forever, continuing to charge your card. Years ago, my daughter bought a CD in a store, and naively agreed to their offer of a “free” mini-subscription to a magazine of her choice. You should have seen us trying to get that stopped. Luckily, my husband displaced our debit card, and we had to get new ones. Otherwise, I’d still be receiving that rag, and probably 6 or 7 others.
June 21, 2010 at 9:19 AM in reply to: OT: “The End of Men”: Women dominating college/New Jobs, can’t find marriageable prospects #568150eavesdropper
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.
Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]
I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.
For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.
As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.
June 21, 2010 at 9:19 AM in reply to: OT: “The End of Men”: Women dominating college/New Jobs, can’t find marriageable prospects #568248eavesdropper
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.
Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]
I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.
For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.
As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.
June 21, 2010 at 9:19 AM in reply to: OT: “The End of Men”: Women dominating college/New Jobs, can’t find marriageable prospects #568855eavesdropper
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.
Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]
I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.
For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.
As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.
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