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Participant[quote=Eugene]Jp: those are all good arguments, but they are long term arguments, they don’t explain why we should be financially austere NOW NOW NOW as opposed to when unemployment comes down a bit from 10%.
xbox: this is not an ideological question, it’s fundamental macro economics: what happens if we cut govt spending and what happens if we don’t. It seems to me that Krugman’s position is much better defended with numbers.[/quote]What about my post? Does that make an argument to why we cant be financially austere right now? (basically the ‘short term gain for long term pain’ argument.)
If not, then how do we force an economy tooled for government financed expansion back into a private expansion economy without going back into recession?Participant[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.
I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.
As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.
If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]
It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]
Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.
But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.
BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.
Participant[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.
I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.
As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.
If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]
It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]
Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.
But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.
BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.
Participant[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.
I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.
As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.
If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]
It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]
Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.
But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.
BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.
Participant[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.
I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.
As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.
If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]
It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]
Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.
But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.
BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.
Participant[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.
I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.
As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.
If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]
It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]
Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.
But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.
BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.
ParticipantActually, of the ‘new’ media I like Rich’s “Voice of San Diego”. Their fact check part is kinda (ha!) dry, but I think it keeps politicans honest. I remember they even had some Union member who mispoke and self reported herself as mis-speaking before they did rather than be caught being wrong. They usually call that ‘getting out ahead of it’, but atleast she admitted she was wrong publically. ANd she was forced to in a way that people actually heard about, she couldnt hide her recant.
I like that. We all heard the wrong information, and then wonder why it keeps circling when it is wrong.
Plus their pieces about lcoal San Diego are far better than the UT stuff. Add that to Kellys writing, and ofcourse Rich’s, and well, Forget the UT.
ParticipantActually, of the ‘new’ media I like Rich’s “Voice of San Diego”. Their fact check part is kinda (ha!) dry, but I think it keeps politicans honest. I remember they even had some Union member who mispoke and self reported herself as mis-speaking before they did rather than be caught being wrong. They usually call that ‘getting out ahead of it’, but atleast she admitted she was wrong publically. ANd she was forced to in a way that people actually heard about, she couldnt hide her recant.
I like that. We all heard the wrong information, and then wonder why it keeps circling when it is wrong.
Plus their pieces about lcoal San Diego are far better than the UT stuff. Add that to Kellys writing, and ofcourse Rich’s, and well, Forget the UT.
ParticipantActually, of the ‘new’ media I like Rich’s “Voice of San Diego”. Their fact check part is kinda (ha!) dry, but I think it keeps politicans honest. I remember they even had some Union member who mispoke and self reported herself as mis-speaking before they did rather than be caught being wrong. They usually call that ‘getting out ahead of it’, but atleast she admitted she was wrong publically. ANd she was forced to in a way that people actually heard about, she couldnt hide her recant.
I like that. We all heard the wrong information, and then wonder why it keeps circling when it is wrong.
Plus their pieces about lcoal San Diego are far better than the UT stuff. Add that to Kellys writing, and ofcourse Rich’s, and well, Forget the UT.
ParticipantActually, of the ‘new’ media I like Rich’s “Voice of San Diego”. Their fact check part is kinda (ha!) dry, but I think it keeps politicans honest. I remember they even had some Union member who mispoke and self reported herself as mis-speaking before they did rather than be caught being wrong. They usually call that ‘getting out ahead of it’, but atleast she admitted she was wrong publically. ANd she was forced to in a way that people actually heard about, she couldnt hide her recant.
I like that. We all heard the wrong information, and then wonder why it keeps circling when it is wrong.
Plus their pieces about lcoal San Diego are far better than the UT stuff. Add that to Kellys writing, and ofcourse Rich’s, and well, Forget the UT.
ParticipantActually, of the ‘new’ media I like Rich’s “Voice of San Diego”. Their fact check part is kinda (ha!) dry, but I think it keeps politicans honest. I remember they even had some Union member who mispoke and self reported herself as mis-speaking before they did rather than be caught being wrong. They usually call that ‘getting out ahead of it’, but atleast she admitted she was wrong publically. ANd she was forced to in a way that people actually heard about, she couldnt hide her recant.
I like that. We all heard the wrong information, and then wonder why it keeps circling when it is wrong.
Plus their pieces about lcoal San Diego are far better than the UT stuff. Add that to Kellys writing, and ofcourse Rich’s, and well, Forget the UT.
June 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM in reply to: OT: Anyone doing vegtable gardens… what’s in your garden. #568229Participant[quote=CBad]
Is this true even for ones that you buy that have a plethora of fruit already on them? I’ve seen ones at the big drive-in nursery in Oceanside that are teaming with fruit and if I buy again, I was going to go that route!
The 1st one I had was a baby from a neighbor who has a good producing tree. I gave up on it after 4 years (I had a friend’s dad who had a mini avocado grove in Fallbrook look at it and he said it was a “donkey”). The 2nd one I bought and it died. This 3rd one I think I’ve had 3 years. It’s never looked great but now it has a grape sized avocado on it. I know I’m not in an ideal place to grow avocados but my neighbor’s does well so I’m still hoping. :)[/quote]
Most of those are really greenhouse steriod kings that will prob crap out on you the next year. It takes a year or so to grow an avacado fruit, but it can be kept on the tree for 6 months or more without rotting. Watch out for the ones with fruit AND flowers on it. You think “WOW look how productive”, when in reality all it means is that they didnt pick last years fruit and ‘roided’ it up in a greenhouse before you see it. It is very common for trees to have alternating years, so if you buy a ‘roided’ tree, it could easily take 2 years before you really see much more fruit than what you bought.
Also, a mature tree you see out in fallbrook or something with perfect care will only produce 500-700 fruit. Some people claim more, but I grew up on a avacado orchard for a while, and we NEVER did better than 700 or so. And that is in Santa Barbara where we get alot more rain.Plant a Hass, it is the tree for California. You can get alot of other kinds, but dont bother. THey want more water and warmer nights than CA has to offer.
One other thing. Avacados dont make good parents. It is common for seedlings to produce nothing, or to produce weird fruit. Your ‘donkey’ is along the same lines. The trees you buy from the nursery have been grafted with another high quality tree’s branches to produce the fruit you recognize. If you are growing a tree from the pits of an avacado you bought from the store, you are running REALLY high odds of getting a beautiful tree that doesnt produce anything.
As to where you are cbad, there is nothing wrong with NCC coastal for avacados. Just be sure they get enough water, deep waterings too (not just a bucket or two, and keep them out of the wind. Avacados hate wind. It drys them out and destroys their flowers/early fruit. Dig in some tree fertilizer in the early winter too.
June 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM in reply to: OT: Anyone doing vegtable gardens… what’s in your garden. #568827Participant[quote=CBad]
Is this true even for ones that you buy that have a plethora of fruit already on them? I’ve seen ones at the big drive-in nursery in Oceanside that are teaming with fruit and if I buy again, I was going to go that route!
The 1st one I had was a baby from a neighbor who has a good producing tree. I gave up on it after 4 years (I had a friend’s dad who had a mini avocado grove in Fallbrook look at it and he said it was a “donkey”). The 2nd one I bought and it died. This 3rd one I think I’ve had 3 years. It’s never looked great but now it has a grape sized avocado on it. I know I’m not in an ideal place to grow avocados but my neighbor’s does well so I’m still hoping. :)[/quote]
Most of those are really greenhouse steriod kings that will prob crap out on you the next year. It takes a year or so to grow an avacado fruit, but it can be kept on the tree for 6 months or more without rotting. Watch out for the ones with fruit AND flowers on it. You think “WOW look how productive”, when in reality all it means is that they didnt pick last years fruit and ‘roided’ it up in a greenhouse before you see it. It is very common for trees to have alternating years, so if you buy a ‘roided’ tree, it could easily take 2 years before you really see much more fruit than what you bought.
Also, a mature tree you see out in fallbrook or something with perfect care will only produce 500-700 fruit. Some people claim more, but I grew up on a avacado orchard for a while, and we NEVER did better than 700 or so. And that is in Santa Barbara where we get alot more rain.Plant a Hass, it is the tree for California. You can get alot of other kinds, but dont bother. THey want more water and warmer nights than CA has to offer.
One other thing. Avacados dont make good parents. It is common for seedlings to produce nothing, or to produce weird fruit. Your ‘donkey’ is along the same lines. The trees you buy from the nursery have been grafted with another high quality tree’s branches to produce the fruit you recognize. If you are growing a tree from the pits of an avacado you bought from the store, you are running REALLY high odds of getting a beautiful tree that doesnt produce anything.
As to where you are cbad, there is nothing wrong with NCC coastal for avacados. Just be sure they get enough water, deep waterings too (not just a bucket or two, and keep them out of the wind. Avacados hate wind. It drys them out and destroys their flowers/early fruit. Dig in some tree fertilizer in the early winter too.
June 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM in reply to: OT: Anyone doing vegtable gardens… what’s in your garden. #568934Participant[quote=CBad]
Is this true even for ones that you buy that have a plethora of fruit already on them? I’ve seen ones at the big drive-in nursery in Oceanside that are teaming with fruit and if I buy again, I was going to go that route!
The 1st one I had was a baby from a neighbor who has a good producing tree. I gave up on it after 4 years (I had a friend’s dad who had a mini avocado grove in Fallbrook look at it and he said it was a “donkey”). The 2nd one I bought and it died. This 3rd one I think I’ve had 3 years. It’s never looked great but now it has a grape sized avocado on it. I know I’m not in an ideal place to grow avocados but my neighbor’s does well so I’m still hoping. :)[/quote]
Most of those are really greenhouse steriod kings that will prob crap out on you the next year. It takes a year or so to grow an avacado fruit, but it can be kept on the tree for 6 months or more without rotting. Watch out for the ones with fruit AND flowers on it. You think “WOW look how productive”, when in reality all it means is that they didnt pick last years fruit and ‘roided’ it up in a greenhouse before you see it. It is very common for trees to have alternating years, so if you buy a ‘roided’ tree, it could easily take 2 years before you really see much more fruit than what you bought.
Also, a mature tree you see out in fallbrook or something with perfect care will only produce 500-700 fruit. Some people claim more, but I grew up on a avacado orchard for a while, and we NEVER did better than 700 or so. And that is in Santa Barbara where we get alot more rain.Plant a Hass, it is the tree for California. You can get alot of other kinds, but dont bother. THey want more water and warmer nights than CA has to offer.
One other thing. Avacados dont make good parents. It is common for seedlings to produce nothing, or to produce weird fruit. Your ‘donkey’ is along the same lines. The trees you buy from the nursery have been grafted with another high quality tree’s branches to produce the fruit you recognize. If you are growing a tree from the pits of an avacado you bought from the store, you are running REALLY high odds of getting a beautiful tree that doesnt produce anything.
As to where you are cbad, there is nothing wrong with NCC coastal for avacados. Just be sure they get enough water, deep waterings too (not just a bucket or two, and keep them out of the wind. Avacados hate wind. It drys them out and destroys their flowers/early fruit. Dig in some tree fertilizer in the early winter too.
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