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ParticipantI miss his input too russ, but Bugs is long gone.
Participantok TG, a question.
Assume for the moment that I agree with you that you are within +/-5% of the bottom that will be seen in this downturn. As in your $250/k house will not go below 238k, in more than just one freaky, run down, cracked slab, PoS, foreclosure sale. I can see that happening at 4-5% interest rates. It doesnt take too much money to afford a hosue that is 250k at 5%.
What I wanna know is how long you think TV will STAY at the bottom. Is TV gonna be V shaped, or L shaped? I ask, because bottom calling A) riles people up, B) Implies, if for no other reason that the implict association with relator groups who have been bottom calling for years now, that it is a buy now or loose situtation, C) both you and Bob could be right if foreclosures keep feeding demand for the next year or so and no price appreciation is seen.
And let me state for the record that I dont really care either way. I am not even looking to buy right now, I havnt been to SDL in months, and have never really even been to TV and have no intention/plan of ever living there. I am sure it is nice and all, maybe some day I will live there. I just dont see it happening right now, so my interst is PURE curiousty. So, Could someone buy in December at the bottom too?
Participantok TG, a question.
Assume for the moment that I agree with you that you are within +/-5% of the bottom that will be seen in this downturn. As in your $250/k house will not go below 238k, in more than just one freaky, run down, cracked slab, PoS, foreclosure sale. I can see that happening at 4-5% interest rates. It doesnt take too much money to afford a hosue that is 250k at 5%.
What I wanna know is how long you think TV will STAY at the bottom. Is TV gonna be V shaped, or L shaped? I ask, because bottom calling A) riles people up, B) Implies, if for no other reason that the implict association with relator groups who have been bottom calling for years now, that it is a buy now or loose situtation, C) both you and Bob could be right if foreclosures keep feeding demand for the next year or so and no price appreciation is seen.
And let me state for the record that I dont really care either way. I am not even looking to buy right now, I havnt been to SDL in months, and have never really even been to TV and have no intention/plan of ever living there. I am sure it is nice and all, maybe some day I will live there. I just dont see it happening right now, so my interst is PURE curiousty. So, Could someone buy in December at the bottom too?
Participantok TG, a question.
Assume for the moment that I agree with you that you are within +/-5% of the bottom that will be seen in this downturn. As in your $250/k house will not go below 238k, in more than just one freaky, run down, cracked slab, PoS, foreclosure sale. I can see that happening at 4-5% interest rates. It doesnt take too much money to afford a hosue that is 250k at 5%.
What I wanna know is how long you think TV will STAY at the bottom. Is TV gonna be V shaped, or L shaped? I ask, because bottom calling A) riles people up, B) Implies, if for no other reason that the implict association with relator groups who have been bottom calling for years now, that it is a buy now or loose situtation, C) both you and Bob could be right if foreclosures keep feeding demand for the next year or so and no price appreciation is seen.
And let me state for the record that I dont really care either way. I am not even looking to buy right now, I havnt been to SDL in months, and have never really even been to TV and have no intention/plan of ever living there. I am sure it is nice and all, maybe some day I will live there. I just dont see it happening right now, so my interst is PURE curiousty. So, Could someone buy in December at the bottom too?
Participantok TG, a question.
Assume for the moment that I agree with you that you are within +/-5% of the bottom that will be seen in this downturn. As in your $250/k house will not go below 238k, in more than just one freaky, run down, cracked slab, PoS, foreclosure sale. I can see that happening at 4-5% interest rates. It doesnt take too much money to afford a hosue that is 250k at 5%.
What I wanna know is how long you think TV will STAY at the bottom. Is TV gonna be V shaped, or L shaped? I ask, because bottom calling A) riles people up, B) Implies, if for no other reason that the implict association with relator groups who have been bottom calling for years now, that it is a buy now or loose situtation, C) both you and Bob could be right if foreclosures keep feeding demand for the next year or so and no price appreciation is seen.
And let me state for the record that I dont really care either way. I am not even looking to buy right now, I havnt been to SDL in months, and have never really even been to TV and have no intention/plan of ever living there. I am sure it is nice and all, maybe some day I will live there. I just dont see it happening right now, so my interst is PURE curiousty. So, Could someone buy in December at the bottom too?
Participantok TG, a question.
Assume for the moment that I agree with you that you are within +/-5% of the bottom that will be seen in this downturn. As in your $250/k house will not go below 238k, in more than just one freaky, run down, cracked slab, PoS, foreclosure sale. I can see that happening at 4-5% interest rates. It doesnt take too much money to afford a hosue that is 250k at 5%.
What I wanna know is how long you think TV will STAY at the bottom. Is TV gonna be V shaped, or L shaped? I ask, because bottom calling A) riles people up, B) Implies, if for no other reason that the implict association with relator groups who have been bottom calling for years now, that it is a buy now or loose situtation, C) both you and Bob could be right if foreclosures keep feeding demand for the next year or so and no price appreciation is seen.
And let me state for the record that I dont really care either way. I am not even looking to buy right now, I havnt been to SDL in months, and have never really even been to TV and have no intention/plan of ever living there. I am sure it is nice and all, maybe some day I will live there. I just dont see it happening right now, so my interst is PURE curiousty. So, Could someone buy in December at the bottom too?
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=UCGal]
The only saving grace is we haven’t implemented our gray water system for irrigation. We’ve got it planned, but not implemented yet. This is definitely discouraging us from implementing it for the near term.
[/quote]If you think that gray water irrigation is all fun and games and instant savings, think again.
– You cannot use gray water in sprinklers, because airborne gray water is a health hazard and a big no-no.
– You cannot use gray water in drip lines, because naturally occurring impurities (such as hair) will quickly clog your lines. If you attempt to filter out impurities to the level that allows you to use drip lines, you’ll have to change filters so often that you’ll spend far more on filters than you’ll save on your water bill.
– You cannot take your gray water directly to your plants, because hot water from your washing machine will scald the roots and they’ll die.
– If you try to avoid storing too much gray water in an intermediate tank, there are two options. The whole system must be fully gravity-assisted or you must install a water pump (similar to a sump pump), which will cost you money, eat electricity 24/7, and require maintenance.
– You can avoid a 24/7 pump if hook up your system to a timer and water once a day. But then you’ll need a big tank which could cost you to the tune of $500. You don’t want to go less frequently than once a day, because graywater can’t be stored for too long before it turns into blackwater.[/quote]
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=UCGal]
The only saving grace is we haven’t implemented our gray water system for irrigation. We’ve got it planned, but not implemented yet. This is definitely discouraging us from implementing it for the near term.
[/quote]If you think that gray water irrigation is all fun and games and instant savings, think again.
– You cannot use gray water in sprinklers, because airborne gray water is a health hazard and a big no-no.
– You cannot use gray water in drip lines, because naturally occurring impurities (such as hair) will quickly clog your lines. If you attempt to filter out impurities to the level that allows you to use drip lines, you’ll have to change filters so often that you’ll spend far more on filters than you’ll save on your water bill.
– You cannot take your gray water directly to your plants, because hot water from your washing machine will scald the roots and they’ll die.
– If you try to avoid storing too much gray water in an intermediate tank, there are two options. The whole system must be fully gravity-assisted or you must install a water pump (similar to a sump pump), which will cost you money, eat electricity 24/7, and require maintenance.
– You can avoid a 24/7 pump if hook up your system to a timer and water once a day. But then you’ll need a big tank which could cost you to the tune of $500. You don’t want to go less frequently than once a day, because graywater can’t be stored for too long before it turns into blackwater.[/quote]
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=UCGal]
The only saving grace is we haven’t implemented our gray water system for irrigation. We’ve got it planned, but not implemented yet. This is definitely discouraging us from implementing it for the near term.
[/quote]If you think that gray water irrigation is all fun and games and instant savings, think again.
– You cannot use gray water in sprinklers, because airborne gray water is a health hazard and a big no-no.
– You cannot use gray water in drip lines, because naturally occurring impurities (such as hair) will quickly clog your lines. If you attempt to filter out impurities to the level that allows you to use drip lines, you’ll have to change filters so often that you’ll spend far more on filters than you’ll save on your water bill.
– You cannot take your gray water directly to your plants, because hot water from your washing machine will scald the roots and they’ll die.
– If you try to avoid storing too much gray water in an intermediate tank, there are two options. The whole system must be fully gravity-assisted or you must install a water pump (similar to a sump pump), which will cost you money, eat electricity 24/7, and require maintenance.
– You can avoid a 24/7 pump if hook up your system to a timer and water once a day. But then you’ll need a big tank which could cost you to the tune of $500. You don’t want to go less frequently than once a day, because graywater can’t be stored for too long before it turns into blackwater.[/quote]
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=UCGal]
The only saving grace is we haven’t implemented our gray water system for irrigation. We’ve got it planned, but not implemented yet. This is definitely discouraging us from implementing it for the near term.
[/quote]If you think that gray water irrigation is all fun and games and instant savings, think again.
– You cannot use gray water in sprinklers, because airborne gray water is a health hazard and a big no-no.
– You cannot use gray water in drip lines, because naturally occurring impurities (such as hair) will quickly clog your lines. If you attempt to filter out impurities to the level that allows you to use drip lines, you’ll have to change filters so often that you’ll spend far more on filters than you’ll save on your water bill.
– You cannot take your gray water directly to your plants, because hot water from your washing machine will scald the roots and they’ll die.
– If you try to avoid storing too much gray water in an intermediate tank, there are two options. The whole system must be fully gravity-assisted or you must install a water pump (similar to a sump pump), which will cost you money, eat electricity 24/7, and require maintenance.
– You can avoid a 24/7 pump if hook up your system to a timer and water once a day. But then you’ll need a big tank which could cost you to the tune of $500. You don’t want to go less frequently than once a day, because graywater can’t be stored for too long before it turns into blackwater.[/quote]
Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=UCGal]
The only saving grace is we haven’t implemented our gray water system for irrigation. We’ve got it planned, but not implemented yet. This is definitely discouraging us from implementing it for the near term.
[/quote]If you think that gray water irrigation is all fun and games and instant savings, think again.
– You cannot use gray water in sprinklers, because airborne gray water is a health hazard and a big no-no.
– You cannot use gray water in drip lines, because naturally occurring impurities (such as hair) will quickly clog your lines. If you attempt to filter out impurities to the level that allows you to use drip lines, you’ll have to change filters so often that you’ll spend far more on filters than you’ll save on your water bill.
– You cannot take your gray water directly to your plants, because hot water from your washing machine will scald the roots and they’ll die.
– If you try to avoid storing too much gray water in an intermediate tank, there are two options. The whole system must be fully gravity-assisted or you must install a water pump (similar to a sump pump), which will cost you money, eat electricity 24/7, and require maintenance.
– You can avoid a 24/7 pump if hook up your system to a timer and water once a day. But then you’ll need a big tank which could cost you to the tune of $500. You don’t want to go less frequently than once a day, because graywater can’t be stored for too long before it turns into blackwater.[/quote]
Participant[quote=jamsvet]One thing that I will always wonder is why rice, one of the most water intensive crops, is grown in California deserts. We are the second largest rice producing state. [/quote]
Spoken like a true southern californian. Rice is not grown in CA deserts. It is grown in Northern Ca delta regions. Incase you are wondering where that is, it is the area where the largest two rivers of the state colide, just before entering the San Fran Bay area. Butte, colusa, sutter, yuba, yolo counties make up the bulk of rice growing in CA. Sacramento area rivers drain all the water flowing west out of the Sierra Nevada, and they carry ALOT of water. This area recieves more than enough water in CA rainy season to not be considered a desert, unlike socal, and is the natural drain pipe for the mountains where a majority of CA water falls.
If you want to question Ag water use, question the heavy use of water to grow alfalfa. But then that is used to feed our dairy cattle which produce the milk we all drink (think of the childern!!!), the beef we eat, and the horse industry, plus a few other smaller industries. Plus farmers have historic rights to much of this water ( called water rights) and produce a necessary product for societal use, its called food.
Alot of other people think a green lawn is a god given right and all that produces is yard work and contaminated beaches from all the pesticies and fertalizers. Lets see which is more important…
Participant[quote=jamsvet]One thing that I will always wonder is why rice, one of the most water intensive crops, is grown in California deserts. We are the second largest rice producing state. [/quote]
Spoken like a true southern californian. Rice is not grown in CA deserts. It is grown in Northern Ca delta regions. Incase you are wondering where that is, it is the area where the largest two rivers of the state colide, just before entering the San Fran Bay area. Butte, colusa, sutter, yuba, yolo counties make up the bulk of rice growing in CA. Sacramento area rivers drain all the water flowing west out of the Sierra Nevada, and they carry ALOT of water. This area recieves more than enough water in CA rainy season to not be considered a desert, unlike socal, and is the natural drain pipe for the mountains where a majority of CA water falls.
If you want to question Ag water use, question the heavy use of water to grow alfalfa. But then that is used to feed our dairy cattle which produce the milk we all drink (think of the childern!!!), the beef we eat, and the horse industry, plus a few other smaller industries. Plus farmers have historic rights to much of this water ( called water rights) and produce a necessary product for societal use, its called food.
Alot of other people think a green lawn is a god given right and all that produces is yard work and contaminated beaches from all the pesticies and fertalizers. Lets see which is more important…
Participant[quote=jamsvet]One thing that I will always wonder is why rice, one of the most water intensive crops, is grown in California deserts. We are the second largest rice producing state. [/quote]
Spoken like a true southern californian. Rice is not grown in CA deserts. It is grown in Northern Ca delta regions. Incase you are wondering where that is, it is the area where the largest two rivers of the state colide, just before entering the San Fran Bay area. Butte, colusa, sutter, yuba, yolo counties make up the bulk of rice growing in CA. Sacramento area rivers drain all the water flowing west out of the Sierra Nevada, and they carry ALOT of water. This area recieves more than enough water in CA rainy season to not be considered a desert, unlike socal, and is the natural drain pipe for the mountains where a majority of CA water falls.
If you want to question Ag water use, question the heavy use of water to grow alfalfa. But then that is used to feed our dairy cattle which produce the milk we all drink (think of the childern!!!), the beef we eat, and the horse industry, plus a few other smaller industries. Plus farmers have historic rights to much of this water ( called water rights) and produce a necessary product for societal use, its called food.
Alot of other people think a green lawn is a god given right and all that produces is yard work and contaminated beaches from all the pesticies and fertalizers. Lets see which is more important…
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