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Participant[quote=davelj]
I don’t disapprove. I’m just noting the inherent humor in providing the counsel that one should, “Marry immediately… but have a mature mistress.”[/quote]Franklin may have done that, but that’s not what his letter says. He actually says “Marry immediately … but if you won’t, a mature mistress is better than a younger one.”
[quote]I’ve never suggested that “hot” was incompatible with mature (in fact I’ve noted the opposite can be the case), although that is GENERALLY the case (this applies to males of the species as well).[/quote]
You are entitled to your opinion. But, to butcher Forrest Gump, “hot is as hot does”.
[quote]A misogynist is “one who hates women” (courtesy of Dictionary.com).[/quote]
Please don’t cherry pick definitions to suit your argument, lest folks start grumbling about hoists and petards. From your source:
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mi⋅sog⋅y⋅ny [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-]-noun
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women
—————Your mistrust and deep seated dislike of women is manifest in your entire approach to the subject at hand.
I’m not moralizing, just pointing out the obvious. There’s nothing wrong with consensual relations between people who treat each other as pleasure appliances.
[quote]I rather like women. Some I’ve even loved. What exactly – and please be precise (that is, use quotes) – have I written anywhere in the pages of Piggington that suggests that I hate women. This should be interesting…[/quote]
Sometimes you’re not the smartest guy in the room. Save the condescension for “hot” chicks without much else to recommend them–maybe they’ll be impressed with your “confidence”.
Participant[quote]In Bens day, old was 25.[/quote]
Not in this context. Menopause, which he refers to in his letter, didn’t start all that much earlier in Ben’s day than ours.
[quote=davelj]Advice on “marrying immediately” from Notorious Womanizer Ben Franklin. Priceless.[/quote]
Taking your previous posts into account, I don’t see how you could disapprove. Aside from “hot” being somehow incompatible with “mature” in your misogynistic view, of course.
Participant[quote]In Bens day, old was 25.[/quote]
Not in this context. Menopause, which he refers to in his letter, didn’t start all that much earlier in Ben’s day than ours.
[quote=davelj]Advice on “marrying immediately” from Notorious Womanizer Ben Franklin. Priceless.[/quote]
Taking your previous posts into account, I don’t see how you could disapprove. Aside from “hot” being somehow incompatible with “mature” in your misogynistic view, of course.
Participant[quote]In Bens day, old was 25.[/quote]
Not in this context. Menopause, which he refers to in his letter, didn’t start all that much earlier in Ben’s day than ours.
[quote=davelj]Advice on “marrying immediately” from Notorious Womanizer Ben Franklin. Priceless.[/quote]
Taking your previous posts into account, I don’t see how you could disapprove. Aside from “hot” being somehow incompatible with “mature” in your misogynistic view, of course.
Participant[quote]In Bens day, old was 25.[/quote]
Not in this context. Menopause, which he refers to in his letter, didn’t start all that much earlier in Ben’s day than ours.
[quote=davelj]Advice on “marrying immediately” from Notorious Womanizer Ben Franklin. Priceless.[/quote]
Taking your previous posts into account, I don’t see how you could disapprove. Aside from “hot” being somehow incompatible with “mature” in your misogynistic view, of course.
Participant[quote]In Bens day, old was 25.[/quote]
Not in this context. Menopause, which he refers to in his letter, didn’t start all that much earlier in Ben’s day than ours.
[quote=davelj]Advice on “marrying immediately” from Notorious Womanizer Ben Franklin. Priceless.[/quote]
Taking your previous posts into account, I don’t see how you could disapprove. Aside from “hot” being somehow incompatible with “mature” in your misogynistic view, of course.
Participant[quote=ibjames]Just MCSFT is huge doesn’t mean everything they create is horrible either. IIS, SQL, etc can fill then need.[/quote]
They can “fill the bill” in the sense that they will run more or less as intended a good deal of the time, but I gave up on that junk after being bitten once too often. I was a MS fanboy in the DOS 5.0 days and an enthusiastic NT 4.0 user circa 1997-98, so it’s not like I have some genetic predisposition against the Borg.
[quote]Have you seen 2008? Core is a 100% different ballgame altogether. MCSFT is finally looking at things from a performance perspective. Troubleshooting tools are better now also.[/quote]
I’ve done a couple of projects where I used my tools (Mac OS X or a stripped down Ubuntu install depending on needs, PostgreSQL, Apache 2.x, PHP 5.x) and another part of the project used theirs (Windows, IIS, SQL Server, C#). The awful performance and unreliability of the Windows-based stuff was startling, even to me, and they had a lot more hardware at their disposal.
[quote]I like snap on, I lived in Kenosha till I was in 7th grade. I use craftsman though because it is easier to get a replacement.[/quote]
Have you looked at Craftsman tools recently? It used to be an OK choice for the home or beginning professional mechanic, but I went shopping for a starter set of tools for my son this summer and was disgusted at the decline in quality of most of their hand tools. I used to date a Sears tool department manager, so it bums me out to run Craftsman down. 🙁
As far as replacement, quality tools don’t break unless you abuse them. My 20 year old Makita drills saw daily service for most of the ’90s and still work great. I have some of my father’s ’60s vintage Craftsman tools, and they’ll outlast me just as they did him. Replacement is the last thing on my mind when I buy a hand tool.
Speaking of tools, I took a chance on a Chinese import line (Toptul, see wrenhandtools.com) for my son’s tool kit and I’m impressed. His $28 1/4″ drive ratchet is smoother and apparently as well made as my $70 Snap-On.
Participant[quote=ibjames]Just MCSFT is huge doesn’t mean everything they create is horrible either. IIS, SQL, etc can fill then need.[/quote]
They can “fill the bill” in the sense that they will run more or less as intended a good deal of the time, but I gave up on that junk after being bitten once too often. I was a MS fanboy in the DOS 5.0 days and an enthusiastic NT 4.0 user circa 1997-98, so it’s not like I have some genetic predisposition against the Borg.
[quote]Have you seen 2008? Core is a 100% different ballgame altogether. MCSFT is finally looking at things from a performance perspective. Troubleshooting tools are better now also.[/quote]
I’ve done a couple of projects where I used my tools (Mac OS X or a stripped down Ubuntu install depending on needs, PostgreSQL, Apache 2.x, PHP 5.x) and another part of the project used theirs (Windows, IIS, SQL Server, C#). The awful performance and unreliability of the Windows-based stuff was startling, even to me, and they had a lot more hardware at their disposal.
[quote]I like snap on, I lived in Kenosha till I was in 7th grade. I use craftsman though because it is easier to get a replacement.[/quote]
Have you looked at Craftsman tools recently? It used to be an OK choice for the home or beginning professional mechanic, but I went shopping for a starter set of tools for my son this summer and was disgusted at the decline in quality of most of their hand tools. I used to date a Sears tool department manager, so it bums me out to run Craftsman down. 🙁
As far as replacement, quality tools don’t break unless you abuse them. My 20 year old Makita drills saw daily service for most of the ’90s and still work great. I have some of my father’s ’60s vintage Craftsman tools, and they’ll outlast me just as they did him. Replacement is the last thing on my mind when I buy a hand tool.
Speaking of tools, I took a chance on a Chinese import line (Toptul, see wrenhandtools.com) for my son’s tool kit and I’m impressed. His $28 1/4″ drive ratchet is smoother and apparently as well made as my $70 Snap-On.
Participant[quote=ibjames]Just MCSFT is huge doesn’t mean everything they create is horrible either. IIS, SQL, etc can fill then need.[/quote]
They can “fill the bill” in the sense that they will run more or less as intended a good deal of the time, but I gave up on that junk after being bitten once too often. I was a MS fanboy in the DOS 5.0 days and an enthusiastic NT 4.0 user circa 1997-98, so it’s not like I have some genetic predisposition against the Borg.
[quote]Have you seen 2008? Core is a 100% different ballgame altogether. MCSFT is finally looking at things from a performance perspective. Troubleshooting tools are better now also.[/quote]
I’ve done a couple of projects where I used my tools (Mac OS X or a stripped down Ubuntu install depending on needs, PostgreSQL, Apache 2.x, PHP 5.x) and another part of the project used theirs (Windows, IIS, SQL Server, C#). The awful performance and unreliability of the Windows-based stuff was startling, even to me, and they had a lot more hardware at their disposal.
[quote]I like snap on, I lived in Kenosha till I was in 7th grade. I use craftsman though because it is easier to get a replacement.[/quote]
Have you looked at Craftsman tools recently? It used to be an OK choice for the home or beginning professional mechanic, but I went shopping for a starter set of tools for my son this summer and was disgusted at the decline in quality of most of their hand tools. I used to date a Sears tool department manager, so it bums me out to run Craftsman down. 🙁
As far as replacement, quality tools don’t break unless you abuse them. My 20 year old Makita drills saw daily service for most of the ’90s and still work great. I have some of my father’s ’60s vintage Craftsman tools, and they’ll outlast me just as they did him. Replacement is the last thing on my mind when I buy a hand tool.
Speaking of tools, I took a chance on a Chinese import line (Toptul, see wrenhandtools.com) for my son’s tool kit and I’m impressed. His $28 1/4″ drive ratchet is smoother and apparently as well made as my $70 Snap-On.
Participant[quote=ibjames]Just MCSFT is huge doesn’t mean everything they create is horrible either. IIS, SQL, etc can fill then need.[/quote]
They can “fill the bill” in the sense that they will run more or less as intended a good deal of the time, but I gave up on that junk after being bitten once too often. I was a MS fanboy in the DOS 5.0 days and an enthusiastic NT 4.0 user circa 1997-98, so it’s not like I have some genetic predisposition against the Borg.
[quote]Have you seen 2008? Core is a 100% different ballgame altogether. MCSFT is finally looking at things from a performance perspective. Troubleshooting tools are better now also.[/quote]
I’ve done a couple of projects where I used my tools (Mac OS X or a stripped down Ubuntu install depending on needs, PostgreSQL, Apache 2.x, PHP 5.x) and another part of the project used theirs (Windows, IIS, SQL Server, C#). The awful performance and unreliability of the Windows-based stuff was startling, even to me, and they had a lot more hardware at their disposal.
[quote]I like snap on, I lived in Kenosha till I was in 7th grade. I use craftsman though because it is easier to get a replacement.[/quote]
Have you looked at Craftsman tools recently? It used to be an OK choice for the home or beginning professional mechanic, but I went shopping for a starter set of tools for my son this summer and was disgusted at the decline in quality of most of their hand tools. I used to date a Sears tool department manager, so it bums me out to run Craftsman down. 🙁
As far as replacement, quality tools don’t break unless you abuse them. My 20 year old Makita drills saw daily service for most of the ’90s and still work great. I have some of my father’s ’60s vintage Craftsman tools, and they’ll outlast me just as they did him. Replacement is the last thing on my mind when I buy a hand tool.
Speaking of tools, I took a chance on a Chinese import line (Toptul, see wrenhandtools.com) for my son’s tool kit and I’m impressed. His $28 1/4″ drive ratchet is smoother and apparently as well made as my $70 Snap-On.
Participant[quote=ibjames]Just MCSFT is huge doesn’t mean everything they create is horrible either. IIS, SQL, etc can fill then need.[/quote]
They can “fill the bill” in the sense that they will run more or less as intended a good deal of the time, but I gave up on that junk after being bitten once too often. I was a MS fanboy in the DOS 5.0 days and an enthusiastic NT 4.0 user circa 1997-98, so it’s not like I have some genetic predisposition against the Borg.
[quote]Have you seen 2008? Core is a 100% different ballgame altogether. MCSFT is finally looking at things from a performance perspective. Troubleshooting tools are better now also.[/quote]
I’ve done a couple of projects where I used my tools (Mac OS X or a stripped down Ubuntu install depending on needs, PostgreSQL, Apache 2.x, PHP 5.x) and another part of the project used theirs (Windows, IIS, SQL Server, C#). The awful performance and unreliability of the Windows-based stuff was startling, even to me, and they had a lot more hardware at their disposal.
[quote]I like snap on, I lived in Kenosha till I was in 7th grade. I use craftsman though because it is easier to get a replacement.[/quote]
Have you looked at Craftsman tools recently? It used to be an OK choice for the home or beginning professional mechanic, but I went shopping for a starter set of tools for my son this summer and was disgusted at the decline in quality of most of their hand tools. I used to date a Sears tool department manager, so it bums me out to run Craftsman down. 🙁
As far as replacement, quality tools don’t break unless you abuse them. My 20 year old Makita drills saw daily service for most of the ’90s and still work great. I have some of my father’s ’60s vintage Craftsman tools, and they’ll outlast me just as they did him. Replacement is the last thing on my mind when I buy a hand tool.
Speaking of tools, I took a chance on a Chinese import line (Toptul, see wrenhandtools.com) for my son’s tool kit and I’m impressed. His $28 1/4″ drive ratchet is smoother and apparently as well made as my $70 Snap-On.
Participant[quote=captcha]You pick a tool that best fits the task at hand. Hanging on to the shiny one just because it gave you so much joy in the past is immature.[/quote]
Erm, we’re talking about tools. They give joy because they are well made and, in the right hands, deliver superior results.
My Snap-On stuff hasn’t been “shiny” in a long time, and my ’80s and ’90s vintage Fluke multimeters look downright ratty. But they are outstanding tools and I’ve grown accustomed to working with them–which makes me a better and more efficient workman.
Once you get into professional tools, “shiny” is just the usual by-product of excellent design and execution.
One exception is in software development. It seems that the shinier the tool, the more it sucks. This applies to server platforms, fancy text editors and their obese IDE cousins, database design and admin tools–the list goes on. I’ll take something that Just Works™, please, like emacs and Unix sans X. Save the chrome for the end user.
Participant[quote=captcha]You pick a tool that best fits the task at hand. Hanging on to the shiny one just because it gave you so much joy in the past is immature.[/quote]
Erm, we’re talking about tools. They give joy because they are well made and, in the right hands, deliver superior results.
My Snap-On stuff hasn’t been “shiny” in a long time, and my ’80s and ’90s vintage Fluke multimeters look downright ratty. But they are outstanding tools and I’ve grown accustomed to working with them–which makes me a better and more efficient workman.
Once you get into professional tools, “shiny” is just the usual by-product of excellent design and execution.
One exception is in software development. It seems that the shinier the tool, the more it sucks. This applies to server platforms, fancy text editors and their obese IDE cousins, database design and admin tools–the list goes on. I’ll take something that Just Works™, please, like emacs and Unix sans X. Save the chrome for the end user.
Participant[quote=captcha]You pick a tool that best fits the task at hand. Hanging on to the shiny one just because it gave you so much joy in the past is immature.[/quote]
Erm, we’re talking about tools. They give joy because they are well made and, in the right hands, deliver superior results.
My Snap-On stuff hasn’t been “shiny” in a long time, and my ’80s and ’90s vintage Fluke multimeters look downright ratty. But they are outstanding tools and I’ve grown accustomed to working with them–which makes me a better and more efficient workman.
Once you get into professional tools, “shiny” is just the usual by-product of excellent design and execution.
One exception is in software development. It seems that the shinier the tool, the more it sucks. This applies to server platforms, fancy text editors and their obese IDE cousins, database design and admin tools–the list goes on. I’ll take something that Just Works™, please, like emacs and Unix sans X. Save the chrome for the end user.
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