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ParticipantEavesdropper: This a matter of the chicken and the egg. Has the government created an entitled dependent society or does the society truly need the government. I would like to think it falls in the middle.
Participant[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m not excusing the Republicans. I’m in awe of their skill in gauging the concerns and frustrations of the American people. The problem is that they exploit this, without any intention of providing relief. They get people worked up over government overspending, over taxes, over “death panels”. Then they head into the Senate and House chambers, and it’s business as usual. And I don’t buy into the “Tea Party” at all. Not only aren’t they organized worth a damn, I believe that many of them are right-wing extremists trying to force the Republican Party they belong to into ultra-restrictive far-right views. And force-feeding us Sarah Palin in the process.
Allan, please tell me there’s hope. You can lie to me, if necessary. I’m used to it – I’ve been voting for many years.[/quote]
I often wonder if there is hope as I feel this country is going to commit suicide from within. The ying and yang of a two party system is that most people can identify with either party and they are represented but they also fail to accept or recognize the fault of their own party. This stubbornness will ultimately doom us as people fail to see reality. Such is the case with members like Brian. According to him, Obama, liberals and progressives can do no wrong. This is scary because each end of the spectrum has faults. It is unfortunate because this train of thought can only be changed with catastrophic events like planes flying into buildings or massive environmental catastrophes. This leads to reactionary thinking when we need to be proactive and truthful with ourselves, even if that truth hurts because it conflicts with our individual biases. After the Gulf spill I am unsure how I feel about off-shore drilling. I say unsure because obviously it can lead to disasters like this but I also recognize the fact that we need sources of energy and I would like not to depend on other countries for this energy. So, what is the answer when we don’t have renewable energy sources? My left side is recognizing the earth in which we need to preserve and the right is recognizing the fact that we need oil to live. Herein lies the frustration. I am guilty of the reactionary thinking I mentioned above but at least I recognize both sides of the issue and would hope to find a happy medium instead of spouting off left or right talking points to justify a stubbornness. If we had renewable energy I would say shut down oil right now…but we don’t.
In the past decade the pendulum has been swinging with stronger force than usual. Bush’s idiotic administration was the driving force in creating momentum to the left, where as now, Obama’s administration is creating discontent and force through the tea parties, etc. to the right. I only hope that it will somehow settle in the center/center-right in which I consider reality.
The founding fathers created a country in which they hope would fall in the center or center-right. The “right” in center being limited federal government intervention. I am not going to lie, I am a conservative when it comes to limited powers of federal government’s ability to be involved in my personal life. However, don’t mistake me for a republican as I feel both parties are one in the same and only care about the survival of their political career/party. Government is government and once they create a tax, law, coalition, organization, branch it is pretty much the closest thing to eternal life on this planet. Based on their track record of Medicare, Social Security, etc. I don’t have a lot of confidence that they can create efficient, productive solutions.
Participant[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m not excusing the Republicans. I’m in awe of their skill in gauging the concerns and frustrations of the American people. The problem is that they exploit this, without any intention of providing relief. They get people worked up over government overspending, over taxes, over “death panels”. Then they head into the Senate and House chambers, and it’s business as usual. And I don’t buy into the “Tea Party” at all. Not only aren’t they organized worth a damn, I believe that many of them are right-wing extremists trying to force the Republican Party they belong to into ultra-restrictive far-right views. And force-feeding us Sarah Palin in the process.
Allan, please tell me there’s hope. You can lie to me, if necessary. I’m used to it – I’ve been voting for many years.[/quote]
I often wonder if there is hope as I feel this country is going to commit suicide from within. The ying and yang of a two party system is that most people can identify with either party and they are represented but they also fail to accept or recognize the fault of their own party. This stubbornness will ultimately doom us as people fail to see reality. Such is the case with members like Brian. According to him, Obama, liberals and progressives can do no wrong. This is scary because each end of the spectrum has faults. It is unfortunate because this train of thought can only be changed with catastrophic events like planes flying into buildings or massive environmental catastrophes. This leads to reactionary thinking when we need to be proactive and truthful with ourselves, even if that truth hurts because it conflicts with our individual biases. After the Gulf spill I am unsure how I feel about off-shore drilling. I say unsure because obviously it can lead to disasters like this but I also recognize the fact that we need sources of energy and I would like not to depend on other countries for this energy. So, what is the answer when we don’t have renewable energy sources? My left side is recognizing the earth in which we need to preserve and the right is recognizing the fact that we need oil to live. Herein lies the frustration. I am guilty of the reactionary thinking I mentioned above but at least I recognize both sides of the issue and would hope to find a happy medium instead of spouting off left or right talking points to justify a stubbornness. If we had renewable energy I would say shut down oil right now…but we don’t.
In the past decade the pendulum has been swinging with stronger force than usual. Bush’s idiotic administration was the driving force in creating momentum to the left, where as now, Obama’s administration is creating discontent and force through the tea parties, etc. to the right. I only hope that it will somehow settle in the center/center-right in which I consider reality.
The founding fathers created a country in which they hope would fall in the center or center-right. The “right” in center being limited federal government intervention. I am not going to lie, I am a conservative when it comes to limited powers of federal government’s ability to be involved in my personal life. However, don’t mistake me for a republican as I feel both parties are one in the same and only care about the survival of their political career/party. Government is government and once they create a tax, law, coalition, organization, branch it is pretty much the closest thing to eternal life on this planet. Based on their track record of Medicare, Social Security, etc. I don’t have a lot of confidence that they can create efficient, productive solutions.
Participant[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m not excusing the Republicans. I’m in awe of their skill in gauging the concerns and frustrations of the American people. The problem is that they exploit this, without any intention of providing relief. They get people worked up over government overspending, over taxes, over “death panels”. Then they head into the Senate and House chambers, and it’s business as usual. And I don’t buy into the “Tea Party” at all. Not only aren’t they organized worth a damn, I believe that many of them are right-wing extremists trying to force the Republican Party they belong to into ultra-restrictive far-right views. And force-feeding us Sarah Palin in the process.
Allan, please tell me there’s hope. You can lie to me, if necessary. I’m used to it – I’ve been voting for many years.[/quote]
I often wonder if there is hope as I feel this country is going to commit suicide from within. The ying and yang of a two party system is that most people can identify with either party and they are represented but they also fail to accept or recognize the fault of their own party. This stubbornness will ultimately doom us as people fail to see reality. Such is the case with members like Brian. According to him, Obama, liberals and progressives can do no wrong. This is scary because each end of the spectrum has faults. It is unfortunate because this train of thought can only be changed with catastrophic events like planes flying into buildings or massive environmental catastrophes. This leads to reactionary thinking when we need to be proactive and truthful with ourselves, even if that truth hurts because it conflicts with our individual biases. After the Gulf spill I am unsure how I feel about off-shore drilling. I say unsure because obviously it can lead to disasters like this but I also recognize the fact that we need sources of energy and I would like not to depend on other countries for this energy. So, what is the answer when we don’t have renewable energy sources? My left side is recognizing the earth in which we need to preserve and the right is recognizing the fact that we need oil to live. Herein lies the frustration. I am guilty of the reactionary thinking I mentioned above but at least I recognize both sides of the issue and would hope to find a happy medium instead of spouting off left or right talking points to justify a stubbornness. If we had renewable energy I would say shut down oil right now…but we don’t.
In the past decade the pendulum has been swinging with stronger force than usual. Bush’s idiotic administration was the driving force in creating momentum to the left, where as now, Obama’s administration is creating discontent and force through the tea parties, etc. to the right. I only hope that it will somehow settle in the center/center-right in which I consider reality.
The founding fathers created a country in which they hope would fall in the center or center-right. The “right” in center being limited federal government intervention. I am not going to lie, I am a conservative when it comes to limited powers of federal government’s ability to be involved in my personal life. However, don’t mistake me for a republican as I feel both parties are one in the same and only care about the survival of their political career/party. Government is government and once they create a tax, law, coalition, organization, branch it is pretty much the closest thing to eternal life on this planet. Based on their track record of Medicare, Social Security, etc. I don’t have a lot of confidence that they can create efficient, productive solutions.
Participant[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m not excusing the Republicans. I’m in awe of their skill in gauging the concerns and frustrations of the American people. The problem is that they exploit this, without any intention of providing relief. They get people worked up over government overspending, over taxes, over “death panels”. Then they head into the Senate and House chambers, and it’s business as usual. And I don’t buy into the “Tea Party” at all. Not only aren’t they organized worth a damn, I believe that many of them are right-wing extremists trying to force the Republican Party they belong to into ultra-restrictive far-right views. And force-feeding us Sarah Palin in the process.
Allan, please tell me there’s hope. You can lie to me, if necessary. I’m used to it – I’ve been voting for many years.[/quote]
I often wonder if there is hope as I feel this country is going to commit suicide from within. The ying and yang of a two party system is that most people can identify with either party and they are represented but they also fail to accept or recognize the fault of their own party. This stubbornness will ultimately doom us as people fail to see reality. Such is the case with members like Brian. According to him, Obama, liberals and progressives can do no wrong. This is scary because each end of the spectrum has faults. It is unfortunate because this train of thought can only be changed with catastrophic events like planes flying into buildings or massive environmental catastrophes. This leads to reactionary thinking when we need to be proactive and truthful with ourselves, even if that truth hurts because it conflicts with our individual biases. After the Gulf spill I am unsure how I feel about off-shore drilling. I say unsure because obviously it can lead to disasters like this but I also recognize the fact that we need sources of energy and I would like not to depend on other countries for this energy. So, what is the answer when we don’t have renewable energy sources? My left side is recognizing the earth in which we need to preserve and the right is recognizing the fact that we need oil to live. Herein lies the frustration. I am guilty of the reactionary thinking I mentioned above but at least I recognize both sides of the issue and would hope to find a happy medium instead of spouting off left or right talking points to justify a stubbornness. If we had renewable energy I would say shut down oil right now…but we don’t.
In the past decade the pendulum has been swinging with stronger force than usual. Bush’s idiotic administration was the driving force in creating momentum to the left, where as now, Obama’s administration is creating discontent and force through the tea parties, etc. to the right. I only hope that it will somehow settle in the center/center-right in which I consider reality.
The founding fathers created a country in which they hope would fall in the center or center-right. The “right” in center being limited federal government intervention. I am not going to lie, I am a conservative when it comes to limited powers of federal government’s ability to be involved in my personal life. However, don’t mistake me for a republican as I feel both parties are one in the same and only care about the survival of their political career/party. Government is government and once they create a tax, law, coalition, organization, branch it is pretty much the closest thing to eternal life on this planet. Based on their track record of Medicare, Social Security, etc. I don’t have a lot of confidence that they can create efficient, productive solutions.
Participant[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m not excusing the Republicans. I’m in awe of their skill in gauging the concerns and frustrations of the American people. The problem is that they exploit this, without any intention of providing relief. They get people worked up over government overspending, over taxes, over “death panels”. Then they head into the Senate and House chambers, and it’s business as usual. And I don’t buy into the “Tea Party” at all. Not only aren’t they organized worth a damn, I believe that many of them are right-wing extremists trying to force the Republican Party they belong to into ultra-restrictive far-right views. And force-feeding us Sarah Palin in the process.
Allan, please tell me there’s hope. You can lie to me, if necessary. I’m used to it – I’ve been voting for many years.[/quote]
I often wonder if there is hope as I feel this country is going to commit suicide from within. The ying and yang of a two party system is that most people can identify with either party and they are represented but they also fail to accept or recognize the fault of their own party. This stubbornness will ultimately doom us as people fail to see reality. Such is the case with members like Brian. According to him, Obama, liberals and progressives can do no wrong. This is scary because each end of the spectrum has faults. It is unfortunate because this train of thought can only be changed with catastrophic events like planes flying into buildings or massive environmental catastrophes. This leads to reactionary thinking when we need to be proactive and truthful with ourselves, even if that truth hurts because it conflicts with our individual biases. After the Gulf spill I am unsure how I feel about off-shore drilling. I say unsure because obviously it can lead to disasters like this but I also recognize the fact that we need sources of energy and I would like not to depend on other countries for this energy. So, what is the answer when we don’t have renewable energy sources? My left side is recognizing the earth in which we need to preserve and the right is recognizing the fact that we need oil to live. Herein lies the frustration. I am guilty of the reactionary thinking I mentioned above but at least I recognize both sides of the issue and would hope to find a happy medium instead of spouting off left or right talking points to justify a stubbornness. If we had renewable energy I would say shut down oil right now…but we don’t.
In the past decade the pendulum has been swinging with stronger force than usual. Bush’s idiotic administration was the driving force in creating momentum to the left, where as now, Obama’s administration is creating discontent and force through the tea parties, etc. to the right. I only hope that it will somehow settle in the center/center-right in which I consider reality.
The founding fathers created a country in which they hope would fall in the center or center-right. The “right” in center being limited federal government intervention. I am not going to lie, I am a conservative when it comes to limited powers of federal government’s ability to be involved in my personal life. However, don’t mistake me for a republican as I feel both parties are one in the same and only care about the survival of their political career/party. Government is government and once they create a tax, law, coalition, organization, branch it is pretty much the closest thing to eternal life on this planet. Based on their track record of Medicare, Social Security, etc. I don’t have a lot of confidence that they can create efficient, productive solutions.
Participant[quote=MrsKryten][quote=DataAgent]How is this extortion? The 2nd lender has legal rights to the property. They are offering to release those rights at a discount to the owed amount. Sounds like you’re getting a good deal.[/quote]
If I can buy the house with all payments documented as part of the sale, then it’s all good. My concern is that the 2nd lender wants an undisclosed payment, and that is illegal. I’m going to snap out of the negative thinking for now until I find out the details on Monday.[/quote]
So you want to make sure it is reported so you have to come in at a higher appraisal price and pay taxes on that additional $20K? Be careful what you ask for. If you are going to pay out the $20K, pay it out and have them record the house at the initial offering.
Participant[quote=MrsKryten][quote=DataAgent]How is this extortion? The 2nd lender has legal rights to the property. They are offering to release those rights at a discount to the owed amount. Sounds like you’re getting a good deal.[/quote]
If I can buy the house with all payments documented as part of the sale, then it’s all good. My concern is that the 2nd lender wants an undisclosed payment, and that is illegal. I’m going to snap out of the negative thinking for now until I find out the details on Monday.[/quote]
So you want to make sure it is reported so you have to come in at a higher appraisal price and pay taxes on that additional $20K? Be careful what you ask for. If you are going to pay out the $20K, pay it out and have them record the house at the initial offering.
Participant[quote=MrsKryten][quote=DataAgent]How is this extortion? The 2nd lender has legal rights to the property. They are offering to release those rights at a discount to the owed amount. Sounds like you’re getting a good deal.[/quote]
If I can buy the house with all payments documented as part of the sale, then it’s all good. My concern is that the 2nd lender wants an undisclosed payment, and that is illegal. I’m going to snap out of the negative thinking for now until I find out the details on Monday.[/quote]
So you want to make sure it is reported so you have to come in at a higher appraisal price and pay taxes on that additional $20K? Be careful what you ask for. If you are going to pay out the $20K, pay it out and have them record the house at the initial offering.
Participant[quote=MrsKryten][quote=DataAgent]How is this extortion? The 2nd lender has legal rights to the property. They are offering to release those rights at a discount to the owed amount. Sounds like you’re getting a good deal.[/quote]
If I can buy the house with all payments documented as part of the sale, then it’s all good. My concern is that the 2nd lender wants an undisclosed payment, and that is illegal. I’m going to snap out of the negative thinking for now until I find out the details on Monday.[/quote]
So you want to make sure it is reported so you have to come in at a higher appraisal price and pay taxes on that additional $20K? Be careful what you ask for. If you are going to pay out the $20K, pay it out and have them record the house at the initial offering.
Participant[quote=MrsKryten][quote=DataAgent]How is this extortion? The 2nd lender has legal rights to the property. They are offering to release those rights at a discount to the owed amount. Sounds like you’re getting a good deal.[/quote]
If I can buy the house with all payments documented as part of the sale, then it’s all good. My concern is that the 2nd lender wants an undisclosed payment, and that is illegal. I’m going to snap out of the negative thinking for now until I find out the details on Monday.[/quote]
So you want to make sure it is reported so you have to come in at a higher appraisal price and pay taxes on that additional $20K? Be careful what you ask for. If you are going to pay out the $20K, pay it out and have them record the house at the initial offering.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Under the Republicans, the use of filibusters has grown exponentially. It’s a block-and-blame game for them. They’d better watch out because what goes around comes around.
The conservatives like to attack first; then they are surprised when there’s retaliation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/31/increasing-use-of-filibus_n_181470.html%5B/quote%5D
LOL, you site the Huffington Post and NPR as if it is objective writing.
You seem to be mistaking conservatives with wanting to hold onto the past. Conservatism is about limiting the amount of government in our lives..period. Our country was founded and thrived on this ideology. We wanted to escape the clutches of the monarchy and serfdom. When we established our own country with limited government we thrived and advanced mankind from tyrannical times that ruled for centuries. These advancements came in the ways of medicine, technology, etc. Prior to America what advancements were there? It isn’t a coincidence that this 5000 year leap happened when America was formed. You speak of progression through your progressive movement lead by politicians and government. It is backwards thinking. Just because it is now trendy for democrats to calls themselves progressives instead of liberals doesn’t mean you are going to get a different product. The bottom line we need republicans and dems out of our lives so we can continue to have true progression. You are married to one party and it is blinding you.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Under the Republicans, the use of filibusters has grown exponentially. It’s a block-and-blame game for them. They’d better watch out because what goes around comes around.
The conservatives like to attack first; then they are surprised when there’s retaliation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/31/increasing-use-of-filibus_n_181470.html%5B/quote%5D
LOL, you site the Huffington Post and NPR as if it is objective writing.
You seem to be mistaking conservatives with wanting to hold onto the past. Conservatism is about limiting the amount of government in our lives..period. Our country was founded and thrived on this ideology. We wanted to escape the clutches of the monarchy and serfdom. When we established our own country with limited government we thrived and advanced mankind from tyrannical times that ruled for centuries. These advancements came in the ways of medicine, technology, etc. Prior to America what advancements were there? It isn’t a coincidence that this 5000 year leap happened when America was formed. You speak of progression through your progressive movement lead by politicians and government. It is backwards thinking. Just because it is now trendy for democrats to calls themselves progressives instead of liberals doesn’t mean you are going to get a different product. The bottom line we need republicans and dems out of our lives so we can continue to have true progression. You are married to one party and it is blinding you.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Under the Republicans, the use of filibusters has grown exponentially. It’s a block-and-blame game for them. They’d better watch out because what goes around comes around.
The conservatives like to attack first; then they are surprised when there’s retaliation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/31/increasing-use-of-filibus_n_181470.html%5B/quote%5D
LOL, you site the Huffington Post and NPR as if it is objective writing.
You seem to be mistaking conservatives with wanting to hold onto the past. Conservatism is about limiting the amount of government in our lives..period. Our country was founded and thrived on this ideology. We wanted to escape the clutches of the monarchy and serfdom. When we established our own country with limited government we thrived and advanced mankind from tyrannical times that ruled for centuries. These advancements came in the ways of medicine, technology, etc. Prior to America what advancements were there? It isn’t a coincidence that this 5000 year leap happened when America was formed. You speak of progression through your progressive movement lead by politicians and government. It is backwards thinking. Just because it is now trendy for democrats to calls themselves progressives instead of liberals doesn’t mean you are going to get a different product. The bottom line we need republicans and dems out of our lives so we can continue to have true progression. You are married to one party and it is blinding you.
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