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Participant[quote=Eugene][quote=pri_dk]
How about source that just provides the *average* instead of selectively choosing the highest numbers to make an argument?What is the (unqualified) average teacher salary in the state of CA?
I have no doubt it’s way south of $86K.[/quote]
As of last year, $67,932.
In San Diego Unified, the average salary is $64,466, for a teacher with an average of 14.3 years of experience.
Still too much. They work 3/4’s of the year. So that equates to $86K….exactly what the previous poster suggested.
$64,466/.75 = $85,954
Looks like you proved his point.
February 1, 2011 at 11:42 AM in reply to: What, no Constitutional Crisis or calls for impeachment? #660755ParticipantI think the issue is that the commerce clause also the government to regulate all sorts of activity. However, it doesn’t allow them to regulate inactivity. Which essentially is what is happening by them requiring people to purchase healthcare that don’t have it…or don’t want it. This reminds me of a lot of the crap FDR pulled during the Raw Deal.
February 1, 2011 at 11:42 AM in reply to: What, no Constitutional Crisis or calls for impeachment? #660818ParticipantI think the issue is that the commerce clause also the government to regulate all sorts of activity. However, it doesn’t allow them to regulate inactivity. Which essentially is what is happening by them requiring people to purchase healthcare that don’t have it…or don’t want it. This reminds me of a lot of the crap FDR pulled during the Raw Deal.
February 1, 2011 at 11:42 AM in reply to: What, no Constitutional Crisis or calls for impeachment? #661422ParticipantI think the issue is that the commerce clause also the government to regulate all sorts of activity. However, it doesn’t allow them to regulate inactivity. Which essentially is what is happening by them requiring people to purchase healthcare that don’t have it…or don’t want it. This reminds me of a lot of the crap FDR pulled during the Raw Deal.
February 1, 2011 at 11:42 AM in reply to: What, no Constitutional Crisis or calls for impeachment? #661560ParticipantI think the issue is that the commerce clause also the government to regulate all sorts of activity. However, it doesn’t allow them to regulate inactivity. Which essentially is what is happening by them requiring people to purchase healthcare that don’t have it…or don’t want it. This reminds me of a lot of the crap FDR pulled during the Raw Deal.
February 1, 2011 at 11:42 AM in reply to: What, no Constitutional Crisis or calls for impeachment? #661891ParticipantI think the issue is that the commerce clause also the government to regulate all sorts of activity. However, it doesn’t allow them to regulate inactivity. Which essentially is what is happening by them requiring people to purchase healthcare that don’t have it…or don’t want it. This reminds me of a lot of the crap FDR pulled during the Raw Deal.
Participant[quote=permabear]Without raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.[/quote]
They raise the taxes that much they will crush the state. Again, this is the age old argument of increasing rates does not increase revenues. Increasing taxes that much will result in a mass exodus out of the state…more than is already happening. I would be one of them. Producers would leave, takers would stay, situation would be even worse.
Slash the rates, give the companies at least a shred of reason to stay (we have some of the most anti-business laws) and maybe we can actually produce something other than more bureaucracy and government employees that only take.
Participant[quote=permabear]Without raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.[/quote]
They raise the taxes that much they will crush the state. Again, this is the age old argument of increasing rates does not increase revenues. Increasing taxes that much will result in a mass exodus out of the state…more than is already happening. I would be one of them. Producers would leave, takers would stay, situation would be even worse.
Slash the rates, give the companies at least a shred of reason to stay (we have some of the most anti-business laws) and maybe we can actually produce something other than more bureaucracy and government employees that only take.
Participant[quote=permabear]Without raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.[/quote]
They raise the taxes that much they will crush the state. Again, this is the age old argument of increasing rates does not increase revenues. Increasing taxes that much will result in a mass exodus out of the state…more than is already happening. I would be one of them. Producers would leave, takers would stay, situation would be even worse.
Slash the rates, give the companies at least a shred of reason to stay (we have some of the most anti-business laws) and maybe we can actually produce something other than more bureaucracy and government employees that only take.
Participant[quote=permabear]Without raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.[/quote]
They raise the taxes that much they will crush the state. Again, this is the age old argument of increasing rates does not increase revenues. Increasing taxes that much will result in a mass exodus out of the state…more than is already happening. I would be one of them. Producers would leave, takers would stay, situation would be even worse.
Slash the rates, give the companies at least a shred of reason to stay (we have some of the most anti-business laws) and maybe we can actually produce something other than more bureaucracy and government employees that only take.
Participant[quote=permabear]Without raising taxes a good 20-30%, and laying off large amounts of public workers, I agree with flu that we’re more or less screwed.
Much of the American quality of life has been based on an unsustainable rate of population growth, combined with taking advantage of foreign resources and workers. Those wells are drying up.[/quote]
They raise the taxes that much they will crush the state. Again, this is the age old argument of increasing rates does not increase revenues. Increasing taxes that much will result in a mass exodus out of the state…more than is already happening. I would be one of them. Producers would leave, takers would stay, situation would be even worse.
Slash the rates, give the companies at least a shred of reason to stay (we have some of the most anti-business laws) and maybe we can actually produce something other than more bureaucracy and government employees that only take.
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.[/quote]
Test results. I am not a huge standardized test fan because I think teachers tend to teach to the test but mathematical and grammar tests don’t lie when looked at on an individual basis.
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.[/quote]
Test results. I am not a huge standardized test fan because I think teachers tend to teach to the test but mathematical and grammar tests don’t lie when looked at on an individual basis.
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=andymajumder]If teacher salary was based purely on supply and demand, their salaries would be much lower.[/quote]
Exactly how does one quantify “demand” for a teacher?
The demand for any labor skill is ultimately based upon the expected return on investment.
Local company is considering developing a new cell phone. They need 20 engineers to do it. Estimate the manufacturing costs and the expected revenue, etc. and they can estimate how much they can pay the engineers and still make a profit.
The model for just about every job involving engineers is the same:Company makes an investment, in facilities, and labor, and company sees a direct financial return in a few years.
That’s what sets the market price for engineers.
Education has some very unique economic characteristics.
What’s the return on investment for teaching a 6 year-old kid how to read (it’s not zero, but what is it?)
When do we actually see that return?
Who realizes that return? (who benefits? – is it just the kid?)
The economic models for public education and private enterprise are very different.[/quote]
Test results. I am not a huge standardized test fan because I think teachers tend to teach to the test but mathematical and grammar tests don’t lie when looked at on an individual basis.
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