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ParticipantIn this era of American politics if you are financially successful you need an awesome accountant and lot’s of financial education to reduce the impact of the hungry financial predators at the IRS. If you live in CA and are a business owner or high income earner and can move you need to seriously look at moving to a no income tax state (NV, WA, NH, FL, TX, etc..)
The U.S. demographics are changing where there are a lot more poor people (49 million on food stamps) and less educated people. They will vote for any politician that vilifies & taxes the financially successful. Why not? They don’t have to pay for Obama Care or Prop 30…the so called “rich” have to shoulder all the cost.
Participant[quote=Dukehorn]Do you ever travel internationally and think what other people are paying in taxes?
It’s not called THEFT (no matter how much you want to unintelligibly scream on the internet) to pay taxes unless you think the US Government was stealing from us from 1932 to 1982 (all rates 50% or higher for the highest bracket).[/quote]
This is more BS logic. Just b/c other countries tax higher or the U.S. used to tax higher, it makes it right? People used to smoke a lot more cigarettes from 1932 to 1982, did that make it the right thing to do? Yes I travel internationally I’m in Thailand right now. I like Hong Kong’s tax code. Boy France, Italy, Greece and Spain are just KILLING it economically right now with there higher than the U.S. income tax rates aren’t they? Jeez soooo many innovative job creating companies like Google and Apple come out of Italy and Spain you can’t even count ’em!
Top 5% income earners in the U.S. already pays 40% of all income taxes. I don’t know the exact figure, but probably the top 10% pay 70%. So in summary, a small amount of financially successful people already pay pretty much most of the bills in this county. They are going to pay for Obama Care and Prop 30 in CA. And you want them to pay more? Insert Steve Forbes 17% flat tax plan here.
ParticipantBingo! Lets see, move to WA state and have $35k extra cash for say 10 luxury vacations a year, or hand over that $35k to the mental midgets in Sac so they can do things like use it to backstop those $100k year for life (+ COLA increases of course) state union pensions? Hmmm?
Participant[quote=CA renter]Also, if you’re thinking about moving because you don’t like California’s taxes, make sure you know how the other states are making up for the loss of revenue from income taxes (or whatever taxes you don’t like).
Like the B&O tax in WA:
http://dor.wa.gov/content/FindTaxesAndRates/BAndOTax/
And their sales tax rates are generally higher than ours:
http://dor.wa.gov/Docs/forms/ExcsTx/LocSalUseTx/LocalSlsUseFlyer_12_Q4_alpha.pdf
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[/quote]There is no way paying a little extra sales tax is equivalent to paying 10.3% state income tax on say $350k AGI! For someone who makes $350k a year that is $35k+ out the door to the mental midgets in Sacramento that you wouldn’t have to pay in WA State! I’m a frugal guy and I don’t buy a lot of shit so sales tax wouldn’t affect me much. I would save huge by moving my business to WA State.
ParticipantObama has a chance now for 8 full years to perform. There will be nowhere to hide, no former administration to blame if in 4 more years the economy is still a disaster and maybe 70 million are on food stamps by then?
And if the country is in good shape and the economy in good shape, incomes are rising, he can get credit where credit is due.
Participant[quote=CA renter]And “capitalists” who speculate on commodities, stocks, bonds, etc., and house flippers, etc. are “hard workers”???[/quote]
You lose all credibility with this comment. Typical Dem who has a low financial IQ & has the poor mans mindset of how all the rich are evil. Flippers work their butts off and are entrepreneurs that take risks and help fix up neighborhoods and renovate houses to make a profit. But you wouldn’t get something like that. Maybe if you posted a little less on this board and hustled a little and got out there and started a business you might make over $250k and get the privilege of paying most of the bills in this country as you get skinned alive with income taxes. And you might also learn a little about S Corps and how passive income is taxed vs. w-2 income, and why Romney and others with high financial IQ’s pay 13% tax rate as they are incentivized to by the U.S. tax code.
These comments remind me of my dad and sisters who are far left and clueless about ecomomics or business and hate those “evil rich people” making over $250k who start companies create jobs, research cancer, perform heart surgeries in ER’s, etc… All they know is to go out and get their w-2 wage slave jobs and “rail” against those evil rich and vote for politicians to tax them more. Why not? It’s not them that have to pay all this extra shit like prop 30 and Obama Care. It’s those evil rich people making over $250k that have to shoulder it.
ParticipantThe Dem’s solution to every problem is taxing the “rich”. They never have any other solution to anything. People who make say over $2 million a year to me are rich, people who make $250k are not rich. They are often high earning professionals in our society who made MAJOR sacrifices in their life and did what others wouldn’t (doctors, lawyers, enteprenuers, scientists). I just can’t get behind a system who’s solution to everything is taxing these people more. I think you should be REWARDED for your success not punished for it. Most Dem’s have a very low financial IQ. I have many in my family. You start talking about anything economics related and their eyes roll up. Great example is the American public is too dumb to know that Romney pays a low tax on his income because he is FINANCIALLY INTELLIGENT. The IRS has a tax code that taxes passive income, corporation income, investment income less than w-2 earned income. Anyone in this county has the freedom to take advantage of this. I myself got out of the w-2 corporate world 10 yrs ago and started a business and operate my business as an S Corp and have created passive investment income to avoid the financial and wealth predators at the IRS. So don’t get mad a Romney for paying less in tax just for taking advantage of rules already in place to encourage risk taking and entraprenuerialism in our society. But most Dems are so busy indoctrinating themselves with the Obama save the middle class BS and whining, that they don’t take the initiative and start their own business and invest to take advantage of the U.S. tax codes. Instead dumb ass Dems just vote to tax the rich more, they are a one trick pony with NO OTHER PLAN. Same old “Robin Hood” steal from the rich BS. Robin Hood was a common crook! The only fair plan EVER was Steve Forbes 17% flat tax for all incomes.
Examples of tax changes in election:
-Prop 30 raise state income tax for people making over $250k to 10.3%
-Obama will raise taxes on qualified dividends for singles making over $200k to be taxes as Ordinary income, Romney would maintain 15% rate
-Obama care 3.8% tax on investment income, Romney would repeal Obama Care
-Obama will raise long term Cap gains tax rates to 20% for those making over $200k, Romney would not raise
–ParticipantSF can get old. I lived in the Bay Are for 18 years, a lot of that in SF. SF is not really a real city anymore. It’s just kind of fake city for hipsters and high tech millionaires. There aren’t a lot of families or kids in SF. I think I read where SF has the lowest number of children of any major city in the U.S. But, SF does have very attractive architecture with the Edwardians and Victorians. Much more attractive neighbords than SD. It is undeniably a gorgeous and walkable city and SD is not. But the congestion sucks, you get no summer, and the parking sucks.
Now talking about architecture, in SD we have places like Claremont. Claremont is an example of a place that has a great location close to the coast, downtown and La Jolla but IMO is dead ugly. The houses are like Mississippi sharecropper shacks. The worst of the 1950’s crap that was thrown up fast for a quick buck and these ugly 1950’s-1970’s strip centers for your downtowns in Claremont. I would put Kearny Mesa and Serra Mesa also in that Claremont category for zero character ugly 1950’s time warp. And these are $400k houses! And San Carlos is another area of SD that is considered a good middle class area of SD. But the houses are also clapboard 1950’s-1960’s ugly pieces of crap with more shitty strips centers for shopping with your 7-11 as the “anchor boutique”. The views of Cowles Mnt is the only attractive thing about it.
ParticipantNow Santa Fe NM is a whole different story. I COULD live there. That is one of my top small cities in America. That is a quaint, very attractive place that is NOT cookie cutter, generic and commercialized like San Diego. Santa Fe is one of my top U.S. cities for character along with:
-Burlington VT
-Charlottesville VA
-Boston MA
-Seattle WA
-San Francisco
-Boulder CO
-Madison WI
-Portsmouth NH
-Portland OR
-Austin TX (only the older neighborhoods of Austin)ParticipantThere are some isolated parts of ABQ that are OK like Corrales. But mostly that town is a ugly piece of brown turd. I have been there many times as own a rental house there. I like New Mexico in general…it has a cool kind of counter culture, nice native american art, like the green and red chile, great sunsets. But ABQ has some real nasty eye sore sprawl areas. I could never live there. I like to vacation in Santa Fe and Taos though:) But ABQ has some legendary 1960’s-1970’s nasty sprawl.
ParticipantI would never live in Durango CO. It is in the middle of freaking nowhere. I have been to Telluride and Durango Mnt before. Great ski resorts & gorgeous area but I would never live there. The SD coast is NOT quaint! There goes your lack of taste again. Were you raised in a barn? Cape Cod has a quaint coastline, Maine has a quaint Coast line, the Hamtons has a quaint coastline, the outer banks of North Carolina has a quaint coastline…SD does NOT have a quaint coastline… it is mostly overbuilt ugly crap. OB is a sh*thole, PB is full of the mental midgit MTV frat crowd with Denny’s right by the beach, La Jolla is plastic/Beverly Hills-ish. I will give you Cardiff and Encinitas …those are pretty nice coastal towns. Especially Encinitas west of hwy 5. Oceanside is a piece of sh*t IMO. I don’t like Carlsbad. IB is an armpit.
ParticipantABQ is NOT my hometown and I have never lived there nor would ever. ABQ is a piece of crap ugly sunbelt sprawl city. I grew up in the Boston area and also in Vermont. New England where I’m from is still a place in the U.S. that has very handsome neighborhoods and has retained it’s character. I am looking at moving back to New England or Seattle WA (especially since NH and WA have no state income tax…I hate giving the criminals in the CA democratic legislature almost 10% of my income). San Diego bores the living sh*t out of me and has no architectural character and I hate the culture here. If you think SD has well groomed 80 yr old neighborhoods you either have no taste at all or need to get out more. Go visit some of the neighborhoods outside of Boston, Minneapolis, Seattle, NYC. San Diego’s neighborhood are ugly as sh*t. Either souless, sterile, cookie cutter stip center north county or ghetto east, central and south county
I also do not have kids and if I did I would never, ever raise them in the cultural wasteland of San Diego. Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, etc… have the best public schools in the U.S. They have the highest test scores in the U.S. It is just generally a much “higher” culture back there then “Ghettofornia.
ParticipantVoting for Romney/Ryan b/c Obama’s only plan for ANYTHING is taxing the rich more. He has no other freaking plan. All he can do is attack Mitt Romney’s financial success & plans on Medicare. And because most of the American public is dumb as sh*t, full of shitty TV shows and fast food, and uninformed, they buy that propaganda middle class sh*t Obama puts out.
Romney also had the only intelligent thing I’ve heard yet on housing to date, that was just let the foreclosures rip naturally and let the market correct itself. Instead of Obama’s socialist wealth redistribution loan mods and principle reductions & letting people squat for 5 years and not make a payment. And I voted for Obama in 2008.
Also voting NO on prop 30 b/c it’s just a tax increase on people making >$250k AGI. Another attack on the financially successful, industrious, intelligent people of our society to pay the bills for all the other lazy slobs in this state.
If prop 30 passes state income taxes for those making over $250k AGI will go to 10.3%!!! And if Obama is re-elected he is going to raise the federal income tax for those >$250k to 40%! So if you live in CA and net over $250k you will pay 50% of your hard earned income in taxes!!! That is called THEFT, stealing from those who work hard in our society. Those who spent years sacrificing and taking risks others didn’t to build businesses, go to medical school, go to law school, pull all nighters & work our butts off just so we can pay the bills of the lazy slobs in this country. The only thing that has EVER been fair was the flat tax idea by Steve Forbes. If prop 30 passes I’m out of CA moving my business to WA state where there is no state tax. Fu*k the weather in CA…if I can get out of 10.3% state income tax I can take about 5 vacations to the tropics in winter instead of giving my money to the state of CA to be squandered by the criminals in the democratic state legislature & go to paying the criminally outlandish state pensions to the corrupt state unions and retirees.
ParticipantGood move jstoesz! The main reason I’m in San Diego is the weather, I think it’s average or below average for many other areas. SD pro’s and con’s:
pro’s
1. climate
2. mountains and close hiking
3. beaches (easy to get to, downside water too cold to swim – personally far prefer caribbean/hawaii type water/sand)con’s
1. architecture SUCKS here – very few homes/buildings with character and the type of leafy beautiful neighborhoods you find east of the Rockies
2. it’s hard to find a cool neighborhood you actually WANT to live in – that inspires you. Most of affordable San Diego is GHETTO with no character & shitty schools & shitty litte strip centers for downtowns (east county, south county, vista, o-side, escondidio) & the better parts & better school districts (PQ, RB, Scripps, 4s, Carlsbad, etc..) are cookie cutter, big box strip center, sterile car culture – with no character shitty architecture
3. No sense of community
4. I just find SD to have a very “low mentality” & “low IQ” overall in so many areas – it’s a very kind of get rich quick scammer environment, throw cheap shit buildings up quick to make developers rich and get out, and very transient. It just has a feeling of cheapness (in the architecture and neighborhood design) here. Very commercialized and mainstream culturally here. It just has an emptiness culturally here. Has more in common with say Phoenix, Dallas or Vegas. It’s just not a very intellectual place. They should have a big statue in PB that represents the whole of SD mentality with a “dude” covered in tatt’s drinking a 40 out of bag with a Chargers tee.
5. So much of SD just has a “ghetto” feel and trash thrown everywhere. Just makes me sick all the trash I see off the highway exits…it’s like people just don’t give a shit.
6. It gets soooo dry & brown here after say May until Dec…the hills are so dead and brown. When I fly back east to New England in the summer, I feel like I’m flying into a rain forest.
7. There is no change of seasons (ok maybe a little rain in the winter)…it can get kind of grounhog-day-ish really boring…the falls are gorgeous in many parts of the county – I was just back in Vermont in late Sept..WOW.There are a lot of great places like Minnesota out there with green leafy neighborhoods with handsome stately afforable homes, nice parks, good schools, rivers, forests, natural lakes, nice communities, grass, trees, good schools and affordability. But yes you have winter and some gray skies.
The only reason I’m here and not in a place like say Seattle is the weather. I always ask myself WTF I’m here…it always comes back to weather. That is the only reason. And I will probably still eventually move out of here despite the weather. The people on go on about how great SD is make me sick…come on folks, it’s just the weather that makes it a good place to live.
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