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[quote=kewp]blah…parroting…blah…masters. Taxation isn’t theft. blah….(or hiring undocumented workers) *is* theft.

If you don’t like CA taxes, move. Please. And take your crappy taco stand with you.

…blah…don’t want to pay…blah…leave.

No, the root of the problem is rich people and small business owners employing illegal immigrants…[/quote]

More mindless, illogical, irrelevant, and below-the-belt comments from kewp. But, okay…

Who said there should be no taxes? Higher taxes are not a solution; lower taxes will be better in the long run. Of course like all liberals, who can’t think long term you take a good concept to the extreme in hopes of making communism look better.

The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?

Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.

So many snark comments from people offended by the idea of lower taxes, only because they associate it with Republicans. W and Arnold are not acting like Republicans. Some people like small gov’t. They don’t want mind-numbing handouts or their lives micromanaged by big brother.

No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy. It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?

Glad to see Turtle and shakes understand.

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[quote=kewp]blah…parroting…blah…masters. Taxation isn’t theft. blah….(or hiring undocumented workers) *is* theft.

If you don’t like CA taxes, move. Please. And take your crappy taco stand with you.

…blah…don’t want to pay…blah…leave.

No, the root of the problem is rich people and small business owners employing illegal immigrants…[/quote]

More mindless, illogical, irrelevant, and below-the-belt comments from kewp. But, okay…

Who said there should be no taxes? Higher taxes are not a solution; lower taxes will be better in the long run. Of course like all liberals, who can’t think long term you take a good concept to the extreme in hopes of making communism look better.

The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?

Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.

So many snark comments from people offended by the idea of lower taxes, only because they associate it with Republicans. W and Arnold are not acting like Republicans. Some people like small gov’t. They don’t want mind-numbing handouts or their lives micromanaged by big brother.

No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy. It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?

Glad to see Turtle and shakes understand.

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[quote=kewp]blah…parroting…blah…masters. Taxation isn’t theft. blah….(or hiring undocumented workers) *is* theft.

If you don’t like CA taxes, move. Please. And take your crappy taco stand with you.

…blah…don’t want to pay…blah…leave.

No, the root of the problem is rich people and small business owners employing illegal immigrants…[/quote]

More mindless, illogical, irrelevant, and below-the-belt comments from kewp. But, okay…

Who said there should be no taxes? Higher taxes are not a solution; lower taxes will be better in the long run. Of course like all liberals, who can’t think long term you take a good concept to the extreme in hopes of making communism look better.

The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?

Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.

So many snark comments from people offended by the idea of lower taxes, only because they associate it with Republicans. W and Arnold are not acting like Republicans. Some people like small gov’t. They don’t want mind-numbing handouts or their lives micromanaged by big brother.

No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy. It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?

Glad to see Turtle and shakes understand.

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[quote=kewp]blah…parroting…blah…masters. Taxation isn’t theft. blah….(or hiring undocumented workers) *is* theft.

If you don’t like CA taxes, move. Please. And take your crappy taco stand with you.

…blah…don’t want to pay…blah…leave.

No, the root of the problem is rich people and small business owners employing illegal immigrants…[/quote]

More mindless, illogical, irrelevant, and below-the-belt comments from kewp. But, okay…

Who said there should be no taxes? Higher taxes are not a solution; lower taxes will be better in the long run. Of course like all liberals, who can’t think long term you take a good concept to the extreme in hopes of making communism look better.

The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?

Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.

So many snark comments from people offended by the idea of lower taxes, only because they associate it with Republicans. W and Arnold are not acting like Republicans. Some people like small gov’t. They don’t want mind-numbing handouts or their lives micromanaged by big brother.

No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy. It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?

Glad to see Turtle and shakes understand.

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[quote=kewp]blah…parroting…blah…masters. Taxation isn’t theft. blah….(or hiring undocumented workers) *is* theft.

If you don’t like CA taxes, move. Please. And take your crappy taco stand with you.

…blah…don’t want to pay…blah…leave.

No, the root of the problem is rich people and small business owners employing illegal immigrants…[/quote]

More mindless, illogical, irrelevant, and below-the-belt comments from kewp. But, okay…

Who said there should be no taxes? Higher taxes are not a solution; lower taxes will be better in the long run. Of course like all liberals, who can’t think long term you take a good concept to the extreme in hopes of making communism look better.

The fact is higher taxes will drive businesses away. No businesses = no college students. If all your fee paying students leave, the gov’t will just continue giving you grants? For what, your socialist slant and defense of anything anti-Bush?

Rich people and small businesses pay more taxes than anyone. I won’t argue with you on immigration but it is one cause for raising taxes. So why raise them and subsidize those living off the system? Your arguments are laughable.

So many snark comments from people offended by the idea of lower taxes, only because they associate it with Republicans. W and Arnold are not acting like Republicans. Some people like small gov’t. They don’t want mind-numbing handouts or their lives micromanaged by big brother.

No one defending higher taxes has offered any explanation as to why this is GOOD for CA’s economy. It balances the budget – for what? a year? Then what?

Glad to see Turtle and shakes understand.

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[quote=afx114]Is it a coincidence then that Bush’s first tax cuts went into law in 2001? Were they the cause of the recession or designed to bring us out of it? I didn’t want this argument to turn into a Clinton vs Bush or Democrat vs. Republican argument, I wanted it to be about tax cuts and their effects on the overall economy.[/quote]

Your points are good, but like AN said, if you cut that line at 2006 Bush tax cuts look great. Blame Greenspan for the rest.

Why not incentivize businesses to come from Texas and set up here? Wouldn’t that be better for the state?

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[quote=afx114]Is it a coincidence then that Bush’s first tax cuts went into law in 2001? Were they the cause of the recession or designed to bring us out of it? I didn’t want this argument to turn into a Clinton vs Bush or Democrat vs. Republican argument, I wanted it to be about tax cuts and their effects on the overall economy.[/quote]

Your points are good, but like AN said, if you cut that line at 2006 Bush tax cuts look great. Blame Greenspan for the rest.

Why not incentivize businesses to come from Texas and set up here? Wouldn’t that be better for the state?

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[quote=afx114]Is it a coincidence then that Bush’s first tax cuts went into law in 2001? Were they the cause of the recession or designed to bring us out of it? I didn’t want this argument to turn into a Clinton vs Bush or Democrat vs. Republican argument, I wanted it to be about tax cuts and their effects on the overall economy.[/quote]

Your points are good, but like AN said, if you cut that line at 2006 Bush tax cuts look great. Blame Greenspan for the rest.

Why not incentivize businesses to come from Texas and set up here? Wouldn’t that be better for the state?

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[quote=afx114]Is it a coincidence then that Bush’s first tax cuts went into law in 2001? Were they the cause of the recession or designed to bring us out of it? I didn’t want this argument to turn into a Clinton vs Bush or Democrat vs. Republican argument, I wanted it to be about tax cuts and their effects on the overall economy.[/quote]

Your points are good, but like AN said, if you cut that line at 2006 Bush tax cuts look great. Blame Greenspan for the rest.

Why not incentivize businesses to come from Texas and set up here? Wouldn’t that be better for the state?

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[quote=afx114]Is it a coincidence then that Bush’s first tax cuts went into law in 2001? Were they the cause of the recession or designed to bring us out of it? I didn’t want this argument to turn into a Clinton vs Bush or Democrat vs. Republican argument, I wanted it to be about tax cuts and their effects on the overall economy.[/quote]

Your points are good, but like AN said, if you cut that line at 2006 Bush tax cuts look great. Blame Greenspan for the rest.

Why not incentivize businesses to come from Texas and set up here? Wouldn’t that be better for the state?

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[quote=UCGal]Despite the rumors, even with these tax increases, our taxes are lower than many New England/Mid-Atlantic states. But if you want to convince yourself we’re the highest, feel free.

I look at the state budget the same way I look at my personal budget. If I have more bills than I have income then there are two variables to adjust: Increase my income (take on a second job, for example.) Or decrease my expenses (downsize my lifestyle – eat out less, fire the housekeeper, give up luxuries like Starbucks, cancel my cable… lots of little cuts can be made.)

Sometimes the gap is too big to be overcome by just cutting costs. Certain fixed costs can’t be reduced to zero – food, shelter, healthcare… I have a moral obligation to provide basics for my children (food/shelter) and can’t reduce those expenses to zero.

So the solution is a combination. I increase my income and reduce my expenses to meet my obligations.

This budget does that. It has more $$ in cuts than it gets in tax increases. It’s not perfect, it’s not pretty… but it does get the state running again.[/quote]

CA’s high end income tax is 2nd only to Vermont.
http://www.taxadmin.org/FTA/rate/ind_inc.html …and about to go higher.

Your comparison of getting a second job to raising taxes doesn’t fit.

When you work, you produce a good or service. When the state raises taxes it’s not producing anything. In fact, for the reasons above it’s counterproductive.

I agree with the 2nd option of cutting spending, but they’re not doing that. Not in the right areas.

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[quote=UCGal]Despite the rumors, even with these tax increases, our taxes are lower than many New England/Mid-Atlantic states. But if you want to convince yourself we’re the highest, feel free.

I look at the state budget the same way I look at my personal budget. If I have more bills than I have income then there are two variables to adjust: Increase my income (take on a second job, for example.) Or decrease my expenses (downsize my lifestyle – eat out less, fire the housekeeper, give up luxuries like Starbucks, cancel my cable… lots of little cuts can be made.)

Sometimes the gap is too big to be overcome by just cutting costs. Certain fixed costs can’t be reduced to zero – food, shelter, healthcare… I have a moral obligation to provide basics for my children (food/shelter) and can’t reduce those expenses to zero.

So the solution is a combination. I increase my income and reduce my expenses to meet my obligations.

This budget does that. It has more $$ in cuts than it gets in tax increases. It’s not perfect, it’s not pretty… but it does get the state running again.[/quote]

CA’s high end income tax is 2nd only to Vermont.
http://www.taxadmin.org/FTA/rate/ind_inc.html …and about to go higher.

Your comparison of getting a second job to raising taxes doesn’t fit.

When you work, you produce a good or service. When the state raises taxes it’s not producing anything. In fact, for the reasons above it’s counterproductive.

I agree with the 2nd option of cutting spending, but they’re not doing that. Not in the right areas.

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[quote=UCGal]Despite the rumors, even with these tax increases, our taxes are lower than many New England/Mid-Atlantic states. But if you want to convince yourself we’re the highest, feel free.

I look at the state budget the same way I look at my personal budget. If I have more bills than I have income then there are two variables to adjust: Increase my income (take on a second job, for example.) Or decrease my expenses (downsize my lifestyle – eat out less, fire the housekeeper, give up luxuries like Starbucks, cancel my cable… lots of little cuts can be made.)

Sometimes the gap is too big to be overcome by just cutting costs. Certain fixed costs can’t be reduced to zero – food, shelter, healthcare… I have a moral obligation to provide basics for my children (food/shelter) and can’t reduce those expenses to zero.

So the solution is a combination. I increase my income and reduce my expenses to meet my obligations.

This budget does that. It has more $$ in cuts than it gets in tax increases. It’s not perfect, it’s not pretty… but it does get the state running again.[/quote]

CA’s high end income tax is 2nd only to Vermont.
http://www.taxadmin.org/FTA/rate/ind_inc.html …and about to go higher.

Your comparison of getting a second job to raising taxes doesn’t fit.

When you work, you produce a good or service. When the state raises taxes it’s not producing anything. In fact, for the reasons above it’s counterproductive.

I agree with the 2nd option of cutting spending, but they’re not doing that. Not in the right areas.

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[quote=UCGal]Despite the rumors, even with these tax increases, our taxes are lower than many New England/Mid-Atlantic states. But if you want to convince yourself we’re the highest, feel free.

I look at the state budget the same way I look at my personal budget. If I have more bills than I have income then there are two variables to adjust: Increase my income (take on a second job, for example.) Or decrease my expenses (downsize my lifestyle – eat out less, fire the housekeeper, give up luxuries like Starbucks, cancel my cable… lots of little cuts can be made.)

Sometimes the gap is too big to be overcome by just cutting costs. Certain fixed costs can’t be reduced to zero – food, shelter, healthcare… I have a moral obligation to provide basics for my children (food/shelter) and can’t reduce those expenses to zero.

So the solution is a combination. I increase my income and reduce my expenses to meet my obligations.

This budget does that. It has more $$ in cuts than it gets in tax increases. It’s not perfect, it’s not pretty… but it does get the state running again.[/quote]

CA’s high end income tax is 2nd only to Vermont.
http://www.taxadmin.org/FTA/rate/ind_inc.html …and about to go higher.

Your comparison of getting a second job to raising taxes doesn’t fit.

When you work, you produce a good or service. When the state raises taxes it’s not producing anything. In fact, for the reasons above it’s counterproductive.

I agree with the 2nd option of cutting spending, but they’re not doing that. Not in the right areas.

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[quote=UCGal]Despite the rumors, even with these tax increases, our taxes are lower than many New England/Mid-Atlantic states. But if you want to convince yourself we’re the highest, feel free.

I look at the state budget the same way I look at my personal budget. If I have more bills than I have income then there are two variables to adjust: Increase my income (take on a second job, for example.) Or decrease my expenses (downsize my lifestyle – eat out less, fire the housekeeper, give up luxuries like Starbucks, cancel my cable… lots of little cuts can be made.)

Sometimes the gap is too big to be overcome by just cutting costs. Certain fixed costs can’t be reduced to zero – food, shelter, healthcare… I have a moral obligation to provide basics for my children (food/shelter) and can’t reduce those expenses to zero.

So the solution is a combination. I increase my income and reduce my expenses to meet my obligations.

This budget does that. It has more $$ in cuts than it gets in tax increases. It’s not perfect, it’s not pretty… but it does get the state running again.[/quote]

CA’s high end income tax is 2nd only to Vermont.
http://www.taxadmin.org/FTA/rate/ind_inc.html …and about to go higher.

Your comparison of getting a second job to raising taxes doesn’t fit.

When you work, you produce a good or service. When the state raises taxes it’s not producing anything. In fact, for the reasons above it’s counterproductive.

I agree with the 2nd option of cutting spending, but they’re not doing that. Not in the right areas.

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