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CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN][quote=flu]You know, even though I am out of the market mostly, I’m happy things aren’t crashing. I don’t want to be right on this one. Things just eerily looked similar to what it felt like pre-dot.com implosion just right after Bush2 took over.
Maybe Trump won’t be as bad for biz after all. Especially if there is a tax holiday for biz.
Anyway, I’m out mostly for the rest of the year, not necessarily because I want to be, it’s just at this point, I’d rather just wait for more clarity beginning of next year than anything else.[/quote]Well, to be fair, Bush 2 saw .com crash followed quickly by 9/11. So, that kinda shook things up quite a bit.
Also, I’m not feeling the euphoria that I felt in the late 90s. I remember making big gains in days to weeks on anything with a .com in the name or anything having to do with B2B. I don’t see us repeating the kind of crash we saw with the .com because we’re not as crazily valuated like we were with the .com. But, only time will tell. If we do see a 9/11 style attack though, all bets are off.
I’m super excited to see a tax holiday, lower taxes, reduce regulation (2 have to come off the book for every new one), energy regulation, removal of Obamacare, etc. If he does all of that, I predict an awesome 4 years economically.[/quote]
AN, I think for you the stars are going to align just perfectly for you in 2016 and 2017. Having thought over all that has happened, I think you are making the right decisions and your current future looks really bright. I’m really hope this is the your fortunes break out for you. I really want people I know to just kill it out there. So definitely, milk it for all it’s worth. You earned it! Here’s a to prosperous 2017.Go get it. It’s yours.
CoronitaParticipantYou know, even though I am out of the market mostly, I’m happy things aren’t crashing. I don’t want to be right on this one. Things just eerily looked similar to what it felt like pre-dot.com implosion just right after Bush2 took over.
Maybe Trump won’t be as bad for biz after all. Especially if there is a tax holiday for biz.
Anyway, I’m out mostly for the rest of the year, not necessarily because I want to be, it’s just at this point, I’d rather just wait for more clarity beginning of next year than anything else.
CoronitaParticipantOk AN, you win. I admit, I was wrong and I over reacted to what I thought a Trump win would do.
BUT… You better be nice to me, otherwise I might be tempted to by more URTY and tank the market just out of spite 🙂
Heh heh….Just kidding.
Thanks for keeping me sane. Cooler heads prevailed, and that would be you. Thumbs up to you.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=livinincali][quote=flu]
They want trade tariffs and punish for made/assembled goods, and yet at the same time, they don’t want to buy a Ford/GM/Dodge(Fiat, whatever). I don’t get it. At least be consistent when you spend with your wallet.Have you seen what UAW does to a Lexus if you try to bring it to meeting? Lol
Tariffs and taxes are great..Until they start to impact your own wallet, and you have to pay a lot more for something you thought wouldn’t affect you..And then, you’l be just as ticked off and anyone else that realized the implications a lot sooner than you did..lol…[/quote]
Yup. The American consumer and their desire for cheaper not better drove manufacturing and many small businesses out of the country. Bitch about Walmart wages, demand tariffs, and want manufacturing back but will scream bloody murder when those changes lower their purchasing power.[/quote]
The irony is that cheap isn’t necessarily the most cost effective. Sometimes if you pay a lot more for a betterade part, it lasts much longer. And given how expensive labor costs are these days, you don’t want to ever have to do things twice.
But I am curious if indeed, price were to rise 20-30%, say in auto parts and repairs how many people will sing a different tune? I can withstand a 20-30% price increase. What about others?
CoronitaParticipantBG, look if you really want to. You could trade your Lexus in, and buy a reliable Ford. Think about all the parts/service and american jobs you would be helping if you did that.
Lexus parts for the most part are all foreign, and that won’t change. (Well, unless you get cheap knock-off parts that aren’t OEM quality, and then you’re talking about parts from Mexico).
Choices you make affect the very people that you are trying to “help”, used or new. If you really want to help (which it sounds like you do), then you should put the effort in to help american workers.
When you’ve reached that point, then let’s talk about trade tariffs and protectionism, and everything else. Some of which I don’t necessarily disagree with you 100%. But you do no favors by not understanding how businesses work, and how everything it integrated. And you probably won’t until you experience first hand the impact it has on your own wallet.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]It would be fun to covertly rebadge some American cars at a UAW conclave and place a hidden camera. Magnetic Japanese car badges that fit over Ford or Chebby badges.[/quote]
People would be able to tell the difference just by the shape. It wouldn’t work. Heck, my kid would be able to tell the difference.
Ford’s actually got some pretty good decent cars these days. If they can drop about 200 lbs, I think would pick up a Mustang just for for fun. And you can still get one with 3 pedals. GT350 are all spoken for. Sold out.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Why box yourself to “made in”. Look at quality and buy what you like. That’s what freedom is about.[/quote]
I agree. But some people trying to argument both points which end up contradicting things.
They want trade tariffs and punish for made/assembled goods, and yet at the same time, they don’t want to buy a Ford/GM/Dodge(Fiat, whatever). I don’t get it. At least be consistent when you spend with your wallet.
Have you seen what UAW does to a Lexus if you try to bring it to meeting? Lol
Tariffs and taxes are great..Until they start to impact your own wallet, and you have to pay a lot more for something you thought wouldn’t affect you..And then, you’l be just as ticked off and anyone else that realized the implications a lot sooner than you did..lol…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl]flu, once again . . . are YOU driving any American-made vehicles? And, once again, do you think that someone who buys a used vehicle from a private party is contributing to a foreign company’s profits??[/quote]
Well, for starters BG. I’m not the one complaining about american manufacturing job losses, or suggesting we should impose tariffs or punish companies for not using more american labor, you are. So I’m not the hypocrite, you are.
But, even though I am not suggesting that, I am still doing more than you are. And here’s why
I have 4 cars
1. My BMW X5 is most certainly made in the USA, as all BMW SUV’s are.. Spartansburg, South Carolina to be exact. In fact, it was part of my decision, because the other vehicle comparable at the time was a Ford Edge (which is made in Canada), and the Ford Explorer was not an option at the time.
2. The 1994 Mazda Miata was a $2000 used car saved from the scrapyard, that was originally 100% made in japan. But, on top of that I put in a $4500 supercharger kit that consists of an American made Eaton MP-62 supercharger, and a kit that was assembled by an Arizona based small company, who’s owner even drove down from Arizona to San Diego to help me with the install. Nicest, most ethical man i met, BTW. In addition, I spent about $800 on suspension components from Flyin Miata in Colorado that makes many of their own components. And my $1000 brake system consists for HAWK pads on Wilwood Rotors (which I have yet to install) Again, all american made.
3. The beater mercedes, when purchased new, was assembled in Alabama, and has 35% parts content from the US.
4. That leaves my 2000 Audi, which I admit, I purchased back when I was a kid and didn’t know better what it means to buy more american.
5. There is technically a 5th car, that really isn’t mine. I bought it for my dad when he turned 70, it sits at my home in the garage.
So again, BG, you have options to really help american manufacturing, if you really wanted to. But again, the question is will you, or do you expect everyone else to?
But don’t take my word for it. If you really want to test your argument, why don’t you drive your lexus to the next UAW meeting and leave it outside 🙂
CoronitaParticipant[quote=flu][quote=bearishgurl]btw, the following Toyota products are made in the USA:
Toy Tacoma (formerly “Hi-Lux”)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma
Toy Tundra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tundra
Toy Camry (mostly made in USA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Camry%5B/quote%5D
Yes, but your Lexus, and just about every Lexus is 90%+ made in japan with japanese parts. Because Toyota has always made their premium Lexus brand vehicles in Japan because that’s their way of wanting to guaranteeing quality. That’s how Lexus started, and they’ve never deviated from that. Even in modern times. Again, facts and real data.
http://kogodbusiness.com/reports/auto-index/
Your Lexus LS definitely has almost no US parts content OEM and definitely was 0% made in USA.
A Lexus is as “un-American” a car as it can possibly get, if you really care about it.[/quote]
Made in America: Most and Least American Cars
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/american-cars/story?id=13801165
2011’s Least American Cars Per Percentage of Parts:1. Honda – CR-Z, Fit and Insight: 0% Made in US
2. Suzuki – SX4 Sedan & Hatchback: 0% Made in US
3. Subaru – Forester & Impreza: 0% Made in US
4. Mazda – 2, 3-4D, CX-7, MX-5 Miata and RX-8: 0% Made in US
5. Mitsubishi – Lancer Evolution, Lancer/Sportback and Lancer Relliart/Sportback: 0% Made in US
6. Nissan – 370Z Coupe, Cube, GT-R, Leaf, Murano, Quest, Juke and Rogue: 0% Made in US
7. Infiniti – EX 35, FX 35/50, G37, M37/56 and QX56: 0% Made in US
8. Lexus – CT200h, ES350, GS350/460, GS450h, GX, HS250h, IS, ISC/ISF, LFA, LS460, LS600h, LX570 and RX HV: 0% Made in US
9. SCION – tC, xB and xD: 0% Made in US
10. Toyota – 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Highlander HV, Scion iQ, Land Cruiser, Prius, Yaris H/B, Yaris S/D: 0% Made in US
11. Volvo – C30, C70, S40, S60, V50 and V70: 1% Made in US
12. Hyundai – Tucson: 1% Made in US
13. Suzuki – Grand Vitara: 1% Made in US
14. Hyundai – Azera, Elantra “MD,” Elantra Touring and Equus: 1% Made in US
15. Kia – Sportage: 1% Made in US
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. So, like I said, people that drive one of these aren’t doing their part to help american workers, if they really cared about it and really wanted to do something about it.
Those nice tariffs will also affect you next time if your Lexus LS needs parts. Because your choices will be
some cheap knockoff from Oreilly/Advance autoparts (which are made either in China or India)..Or if you really insist on Toyota OEM, those would be from Japan.CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl]btw, the following Toyota products are made in the USA:
Toy Tacoma (formerly “Hi-Lux”)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma
Toy Tundra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tundra
Toy Camry (mostly made in USA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Camry%5B/quote%5D
Yes, but your Lexus, and just about every Lexus is 90%+ made in japan with japanese parts. Because Toyota has always made their premium Lexus brand vehicles in Japan because that’s their way of wanting to guaranteeing quality. That’s how Lexus started, and they’ve never deviated from that. Even in modern times. Again, facts and real data.
http://kogodbusiness.com/reports/auto-index/
Your Lexus LS definitely has almost no US parts content OEM and definitely was 0% made in USA.
A Lexus is as “un-American” a car as it can possibly get, if you really care about it.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic]running shoes cause injuries. its just a perfect example of how all this economic activity actually makes us and the world worse. ugh. padded running shoes. the worst. plus the mfr claims they “wear out” in 6 mos or so. huge piles of garbage when made, when used and 180 days later.[/quote]
Well maybe. But then again , my point is the most vocal about manufacturing job losses aren’t really helping and putting their money where their mouth is. They could, but they don’t. Probably because they think it’s too much to spend $200 on a pair of american sneakers or $30k-40k for an American made car. Go figure.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]flu: has the state/county considered electrification and improvements on the coast rail like from San Diego to points north? Seems like Carlsbad-Irvine would be a good commute by transit if the workplace was within a mile or so of the station.[/quote]
You know how fast a bureaucratic state like CA is:)
I think the folks that commute from irvine, however, all have EV cars that allows them to be in the carpool lane. Plus my company has free charging stations once they get to work.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=flu]
North County will end up being like Irvine, imho.
/quote]I find it amazing how fast Carlsbad and surrounds are changing.
IMO you are right.[/quote]
There are a few folks that I know commute from Irvine to Carlsbad. About 1.25 hrs drive each way. The only question is if and how deep the tech industry gets hit over the next 4 years. That said, even when the tech industry did get hit by the dot com implosion, san diego didn’t do that bad relative to NorCal. In fact, we had some migrant from north to south because of the dot com implosion.
I seriously doubt Intuit will be going away anytime soon. Boring tech, but when you’re jobless, beggars can’t be choosers. And pay has always been good.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=flyer]”San Diego County gained an estimated 11,600 residents through foreign migration but lost about 8,700 people due to “domestic migration” — individuals who relocated to other parts of the country — resulting in a net positive migration of about 3,000 people, according to the finance department.”
The Trulia article I posted may not have reflected the net mentioned above, but it’s still very interesting that we lost 8,700 people due to “domestic migration,” with a net of only 3K out of 11,600, and that’s just in San Diego.[/quote]
I’m not surprised at all. Like most of the metro hotspots in CA, we are seeing a transformation in the economy/growth across CA. Some will benefit from this growth, others won’t. And for some, it makes sense to live where this isn’t happening.
We’ll have the spillover effect soon, as folks from NorCal and LA, think it’s more affordable down here.
I thought this was kind of funny to be running these in NorCal…. Deja vu…
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/technology/sd-fi-sdvg-poach-20161116-story.html
North County will end up being like Irvine, imho.
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