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CoronitaParticipant[quote=millennial]Was going to start quoting people but there are too many points on here that I would like to address.
Firstly – Harvey you are a either a racist (if white), or a complete a-hole!
Ignorant people will use the term “oriental” instead of “Asian” because they don’t know any better, like your mom or maybe someone that lives in the South, or Midwest. That is fine – those people are just ignorant. For you to come back with an etymological rationale of why “Asians” should be OK with the term “oriental” is neither here nor there. You seemingly understand that the term is not correct when referring to “Asian Americans” yet you continue to use the term “Oriental” in reference. Is this because you think you are better? That you have the power to start calling people things after knowing they don’t like to be called it? You are a complete a-hole and if I was at a party with you I would either (a) punch you in the face, or (b) feel bad cause someone else just knocked you the eff out. Would love for you to come to my hometown by Detroit and start throwing the N word around and continue to use it after throwing out the etymological root of the word – would be great!
Secondly, flu get off your high horse. Yeah I get that you volunteer in your kid’s school and that some parents can’t remember 4th or 5th grade math. So what! I can’t remember some of the stuff my 4th grader brings home either and I’m a god damn genius (ha)! To be honest, a lot of the s*it doesn’t matter. Being Asian American, what my role model parents taught me was that grit and self control are way more important. This being said, those kids in Carmel Valley will do fine. Why? Because either their parents are smart,(professionals who understand hard work, good role models (moved to area and paying extra rent so kids can be in a good school), rich (parents can pay for outside tutors), or all of the above. What you don’t understand are places like Detroit, Chicago, or Flint where the kids, teenagers, etc. don’t have role models, money, or smart parents. These kids are so disadvantaged that for them to get an 800 on their SAT would put them in the 95% percentile. Is it there fault? Does it make America a better country when these people fall into a perpetual cycle of poverty with no way out because they were never taught that you need to multiply and divide before adding? My opinion, but maybe you should think about things like this before being all hell bent on destroying any idea similar to affirmative action.
Your viewpoints may be based on when your family immigrated to the US. I understand that a lot of recent Asian immigrants came from educated backgrounds (eg. doctors, nurses, engineers, etc.) which could explain our differences in opinion. My father’s family immigrated from Asia over 100 years ago. Those that did faced many injustices, and worked very hard to fight through them; probably with some help through affirmative action and other social programs. Are they necessary now? Certainly not for some of the rich immigrants coming from abroad. Does it make sense for some new disadvantaged class? Maybe. What makes America great is the possibility that one can move from one social class to another through hard work and grit. With college education playing such an important part, I really think that not assisting those that are disadvantaged is not right and will harm us as a whole.[/quote]
fvck you too.
I didn’t bother to read this. Beyond getting off my high horse. No high horse. But
none of you dicks do shit to help out the the situation.I’m out…Bye. Enjoy the next 4 years. You’ve definitely earned them.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Flu, affirmative action doesn’t lower academic standards. They are min standards above which student can be successful.
There is more to life than academic achievement, and people can be very productive with lower scores. Plus academic achievement is something accumulated in childhood. Adults do change.
But I understand that scores are objective measures and can be easily pointed to. It’s easy to say that a 4.0 GPA should be admitted over a 3.7 GPA.
What about the concept that private institutions should be able to admit whoever they want without oversight from Uncle Sam? Should Christian schools who accept some public funds be forced to admit Muslim students who wear the hijab?
And where do the lawsuits stop? Can employers be sued for not hiring and promoting the “most qualified” candidates? I guess the dumb kids of the founder are out of a job.[/quote]
Like I said. If you really care about the disadvantaged, you would stop talking theory, and start volunteering. But I am guessing like many that talk about affirmative action and the disadvantaged, very few actual bother to lift a finger to do the real things that would make a difference.
With that, end of discussion. I hope the Justice Dept is successful in completely ripping this bullshit to shreds.
And after that is done, it can go after every u.s. company that also has a underrepresented minority hiring practice.
And lastly..Brian, people like you are exactly why Donald Trump won. A lot of people hate people like you that tries to create and “solve problems” by with easy “solutions”, yet ineffective solutions that screw someone else over on the process and doesn’t really solve the real issue, besides pandering to the least informed minorities that buy into your “solutions” that don’t work. It’s no different that.trimp pandering to the illinformed middle America.
And because of that, all of us have to put up with Trump for the next 4 years definitely and possibly 8 if you keep up shoveling the bullshit from the waco extreme far left.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=harvey]Looks like flu successfully moved this thread to his favorite topic.
BTW, why is “oriental” not politically correct but “asian” is ok?
My grandmother used the term “oriental” all her life, without malice.
Here’s the answer: Because oriental means eastern, which implies that Europe is the center of the world.
Somehow, somewhere, some orientals..errr… I mean, asians got upset about the etymology of a word and demanded to be called asians.
And it stuck.
(Nevermind that a significant population of Asia isn’t, well, “asian.”)
Who comes up with this stuff? Who has the time and energy to care?[/quote]
It’s not my favorite topic. Favorite topic would be something pleasant to deal with. I consider this a gross social injustice. It’s the only thing I consider to be a gross social injustice in this country, continuously perpetrated by the extreme far left. (moderate left usually don’t believe in affirmative action as it stands today)
It had an impact on me (to a lesser extent), and It has a direct impact on my kid.Regarding oriental versus asian. Actually, a lot of this came out of the progressive camp. It apparently offends some people. Semantics. I really don’t care frankly about this nit picking semantics.
Here’s food for thought. Here’s two things someone can say:
1: you can have someone say something that is non-PC but had no intention of offending….
2: you can have someone say something 100% PC, but said in a way to be offensive.
Case#1: is a product of someone’s ignorance. It’s not a big deal.
Example, someone in middle america completely obvious to PCness and didn’t know times have changed and says oriental instead of asian in the context of an otherwise harmless sentence….
For example: “your oriental daughter is polite and well mannered, she’s a doll”Ok, really? Are you going to make a big deal about this?
Case#2: is more interesting. It’s more subtle, and you might not realize it first. But it’s something carefully crafted under the guise of being PC, but when in reality it is far more menacing.
For example: “Because all Asian Americans are good at math and science (not true, that’s a generalization)….we need to encourage diversity in engineering and science to others and give opportunities to underrepresented minorities”
That’s a complete PC thing to say.. It’s also completely racial.Example 2 is far more alarming to me than example 1, as it should be to just about every other asian american.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/opinions/liberals-affirmative-action-asian-factor-bauerlein/index.html
Yup. That about sums it up…
Caltech admissions of Asians (where AA is illegal) 43%, significantly up from years past.Harvard, 18%. Down from years past.
[/quote]Flu contrary to the article, liberals can handle the Asian factor very well. It’s just that we want a kinder, gentler society. However, we can compete very well in a hyper competitive setting if that’s what people want.
I think White Trump supporters live in the past. There are misinformed about the globalized world so they think tactics of the past continue to work.
Case in point, the new point based immigration proposal is great for upper middle class Asians. They will be able to qualify for green cards at the expense of family immigration and that will raise the bar. Top American cities will become like Vancouver and Toronto. As an educated Asian, enjoy it it. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that Trump and his folks support merit. Let the future happen and the xenophobic backlash will be swift.
Flu, you wisely said before that people are all for merit until other people are more qualified.[/quote]
That’s bullshit… If you really were kinder and gentler and really cared about the disadvantaged, you wouldn’t be taking the easy way out and suggesting an administrative fix (IE lowering the academic standard) to let some people qualify…because if you really did care about their long term future, you would know that if you were to lower the standard, eventually those otherwise ill-prepared people would wash out/flunk out anyway, because they would be ill-prepared for the real world that demands qualified candidates. And then, you would be a in a predicament that you would have to extend that double standard beyond just college, to the workforce and on and on, creating in even more double standards.
If you really were kinder and gentler, you would realize that the only real way to solve this problem, is to catch the disadvantaged when they are young, and give them the necessary support for a good education, when their parents and their environment can’t. You would spend a considerable amount of your free time volunteering to teach those disadvantaged while they are young, so they can catch up by their own merit and effort, such that when it came time to adulthood like college admissions/employment, they can compete based on their merit they built themselves (with your initial help)… So that no double standard would need to exist at the higher/adult level, and no one can question whether the adult really was qualified or not. You would do this, especially if you were retired or semi-retired, and didn’t have that much of a busy schedule in your own life, for the better-ment of those disadvantaged that you care so much about.
Until this year, I spent 6-8hrs per week teaching robotics, STEM science/math to kids, mainly because there are lot of kids who don’t have parents that have the educational level to teach them…Even in a district that CarmelV, you find out the majority of parents, their math/science skills/ability start to taper off around 4th-5th grade level… Example: some parents had to review what “order of operations” are in math, something they teach starting end of 4th beginning of 5th her. 30minutes-1hour of math lesson to 25+kid by one teacher is not going to cut it for most kids that don’t have the benefit of a parent that can supplement in class instructions.S a lot of kids, irrespective of color, are at a disadvantage.
If you really really care about the disadvantaged, ask yourself how much time are you willing put into helping out the disadvantaged kids each week…And not having a STEM background is not an excuse for not doing it. I work with one parent volunteer who had no formal engineering/stem training. Her career was in human resources. She ended up learning everything she avoided learning when she was a student, in order to teach. Her teams i Science Olympia usually does pretty well, considering it’s a team of elementary school kids that ends up competing against junior high teams…and her science field day teams, at worst, comes in 3rd or 2nd, and usually comes in first. What is surprising is, while my kid’s class, there’s a lot of parents that volunteer to teach, that supplements those at a disadvantage…..There’s a lot less volunteers kids 5 years younger…It’s almost like pulling hair. I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable leaving education strictly to the hands of public schools. What really makes a difference between a lot of these high performing school districts and the not-so-high performing school districts have less to do with the teachers and the school, and much more to do with how much the parents are involved. We pick up a lot of temporary students in rental communities for our schools that don’t permanently stay in our school, and they end up doing just as well because the efforts of the rest of the parents involved.
The time you spend coming to this blog to vent about Donald Trump, you could actually be doing something that actually benefits the people you say should be helped.
CoronitaParticipanthttp://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/opinions/liberals-affirmative-action-asian-factor-bauerlein/index.html
Yup. That about sums it up…
Caltech admissions of Asians (where AA is illegal) 43%, significantly up from years past.Harvard, 18%. Down from years past.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]Regarding the affirmative action lawsuit….. It’s a lawsuit over Harvard admissions process filed by an asian american group….
Instead, Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University’s race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students
[/quote]Trump’s base will regret this because if universities only consider academics, Asians will always have the best grades and test scores. As education is globalized Asian parents who are very tiger will seek out the best schools. Armed with middle class and upper class incomes, they will buy houses near top schools such as the University of Michigan because they are laser focused on education. The California phenomenon will spread across the country.[/quote]
Yes, that’s exactly how it should be. Completely based on merit. And definitive conclusion that things like SCA5 are illegal and it will never be brought back.
CoronitaParticipantRegarding the affirmative action lawsuit….. It’s a lawsuit over Harvard admissions process filed by an asian american group….
Instead, Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University’s race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students
CoronitaParticipantI’m sorry, I don’t like this administration any more than most people.
But I am finally glad this particular issue is getting a review..Because, personally, I’ve experienced this. And it is the one big sticking issue with me that I will never be able to digest or accept. And frankly, I’m sick nothing was getting done about it.
Why should my kid have to work twice as hard, to get the same opportunities everyone else that isn’t quota limited get? It’s about fvcking time. Maybe I won’t have to change my kid’s last name before high school.
Asian-Americans’ Complaint Prompted Justice Inquiry of College Admissions
“The New York Times first reported on an internal announcement for employees to be detailed to work on that project, framing it as apparently being about hunting for practices deemed to discriminate against white people. A Washington Post article about the project cited an unnamed official who also described the project in such terms.
A Justice Department spokeswoman, Sarah Isgur Flores, said on Wednesday that news media reports about the investigation were “inaccurate.” The department had refused to provide details about the project on Tuesday. Ms. Flores said the personnel announcement sought volunteers “to investigate one admissions complaint” filed on behalf of Asian-Americans who alleged racial discrimination in “a university’s admission policy and practices.””
CoronitaParticipantTrump is going make it through 4 years. He might even last 8.
Middle America loves him. Because they still believe what he says. That’s fine.
Believe what you want to believe. Life goes on. We are still doing great here in CA.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=plm]Had no idea they were going to do a wire transfer instead of cash.
All of the wire transfer scams that I found when searching online is when people ask you to send money via wire transfers. If it clears, it’s not possible to get the money back easily.
So in my case, since I am receiving the wire transfer everything should be good. But I just have the feeling that I missed something. Maybe I’m just paranoid because they never seem to do what I ask for.[/quote]
Read my link….
And let me ask you this question… Even if this money goes through…
As you say “they never do anything you say”… even BEFORE you handed the keys…What do you think the kind of tenant you are going to be dealing with after you hand them the key?
Come on… You’re letting their family status sucker you into doing things you know deep down you don’t want to do… Social engineering at it’s finest.
Walk away already….Call your bank and refuse the wire transfer.
And talk to a property manager asap. I already sent you a contact for one….Make them go through the vetting process again. If they pass with flying colors, everyone wins…. And if they fail the vetting procesing of your property manager, you don’t lose… Get it? And if they get all pissy with it, let it be… Talk to a property manager asap to see IF they can help you at this point…..This is painful to read, because it seems like a slow train wreck unravelling…And you’re at the center of it….
You are takin the easy, least path of resistance right now, because you’re afraid of doing the hard choices you should be doing, to minimize getting screwed….If there is a shred of honesty and truth in this “family”, it will all flush out in a property manager’s vetting process.. And if not, you will be thankful it did.
You are spending more time trying to convince yourself “nothing can be done at this point”….when what you should be trying to think about is “how can I stop this from happening”…..
You had every opportunity to walk away thus far, and you chose to not exercise it. The latest is when they didn’t bring cash, per your new adjusted terms….
Last chance….
CoronitaParticipant[quote=plm]Looks like they aren’t bringing cash which I asked for.
Is a wire transfer safe? They are very evasive about bringing cash but I noticed now there is a pending wire transfer to my account which looks legit, they said they had a well off Mom so it could be from her. Spoke with the bank and he said if legit, the pending transfer will clear at the end of the day. So I suppose if at the end of the day, if it has cleared, everything should be ok?
I’m getting the feeling I should have listened to everyone on this forum to run away. But if the wire clears, I don’t see how I can avoid renting to them.[/quote]
Why do you ask if something is “safe” or “if there is something fishy about this” AFTER you already do it?
How about asking before? What do you want us to say?
“Everything is going to be fine. There is nothing wrong…”
or do you want us to tell you the worst case scenario: “they might be trying to commit wire fraud like a nigerian wire transfer scam?”….
https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/15218/is-it-safe-to-give-out-ones-bank-account-number
If you really want to stop things: tell your bank to refuse the wire transfer. Put a hold on everything outgoing from the account. Tell the prospective tenant, sorry the wire transfer didn’t go through, and then say…sorry no rent….Move on. And talk to a property manager from here on out.
Better yet.. freeze your bank account, refuse the wire transfer….Tell the tenant you had problems with the wire transfer…And that due to the complexity of performing this lease, you’ve decided to handle leasing this unit to a professional property manager. And that you will get back to them shortly with the contact information with the property manager, who I’m sure will let you you re-apply for the lease, going through the screening that the property manager sees fit…. Then talk to the property manager and let him/her take over from here so you don’t continue to dig yourself into a deeper hole, including doing all the proper background checks/credit checks you should have done but didn’t… If I knew you personally, I would say that to them on your behalf, because apparently it seems like you’re uncomfortable even saying what you really want to do…..
CoronitaParticipant[quote=plm]I appreciate all the warnings but I’m thinking maybe not being paid rent on time if they have bad credit.
It’s a family moving in from out of town for new jobs so hopefully there was a background check done. Being a family, I think its less likely they will be some scam artist renter.
Anyhow, I’ll learn to screen tenants better next time but I’ve got to give them a second chance. They are going to be here soon with their furniture with no place to go otherwise. Their kids need a nice place to stay.
As for selling the house, income taxes makes it hard to sell since we lost the tax free window.[/quote]
And all these things are irrelevant to running a rental business … you aren’t running a charity. You didn’t do anything wrong ..they fked up…why should you compromise…not your problem. You should have at least insisted on a credit report after their check bounced.
good luck… Hope they pay you on time here on out.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=no_such_reality]I agree with flu. You don’t want cash, you want verification from a bureau that they consistently pay their bills
I’ve used smartmove for my tenants which includes the background check. Something that’s increasingly important. Flu does the experian one include background checks?[/quote]
No. Experian Tenant Check doesn’t do a background/criminal check. I’ve been lucky that the first tenants that made my credit score requirements, by stroke of luck , were also tech workers at large companies that were hired recently and looking to relocate into San Diego. So I piggybacked on the fact that prior to them being hired, the big company already did a background check/screening prioroffering them a job. And the other tenant, simply I just let the property manager handle it.
Thanks for sharing about smartmove, I’ll use that when I need to in the future.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=flu][quote=plm]Yes, totally agree with you Flu. I’m way too trusting and have too much compassion to treat the rental as a business. If it gets to be a problem, I will hire a property manager.
I’m not that trusting though. I will get the cash before I give them the keys.[/quote]
Cash is nothing. If they really are a “pro” they’ll get the cash for the deposit and the first month rent as simple as getting a cash advance on a credit card (maybe not even theirs)….You don’t know.
In fact, cash ior the first month+deposit is often a ploy. It’s easy to come up with cash for deposit+first month, and it gives many people a false sense of security the person has money, when in reality they dont.
It’s not sufficient to even go the cash route on the deposit+first month rent…ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVENT EVEN SEEN THEIR CREDIT FILE…..
If you’re going to go down the “cash” route, you’ll want to see bank statements showing they can afford the rent for the next N months at minimum.
Also, paystubs are sufficient… Are there judgements/liens attached to their paychecks? You don’t know, because you haven’t seen their credit file!No bank statements, no credit file, no lease.[/quote]
I meant paystubs ARENT sufficient…
And yes, I sound totally paranoid about this. But hey, Andy Grove once said, only the paranoid survive.
I rather you come back here and tell me you were totally paranoid FLU, and didn’t need to be…..
..then you to come back here and say, damn I’m screwed and I wish I pulled their credit file first….
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