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[quote=CDMA ENG]Again…

The real crux of the whole arguement is there should be NO AGENDAS in schools at all.

Gay or Straight.
God or Athethist.
Democrat or Republican.

Schools need to focus on thier primary charter. Teaching the 3Rs.

What is taught outside of the school is the sole responisiblity of the parents (Homo or Hetro).

The parent should have full control over what and when any subject is address.

Eitherway this whole thread was probably a waste of space as Paramount never did produce the literature in question.

So essentially this whole thing has been a law school case study.

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I’ll go one further from the orginal arguement. Why introduce the idea of adoption? Let alone same sex relations.

Both of those ideas should be left to the home.

CE

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[quote=spdrun]No civics? No economics? No history? All of those are ALWAYS colored by opinion, politics, and maybe even religion.[/quote]

What fucking school did you go to that they taught civics to a 7 year old?

Always the troll.

CE

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Again…

The real crux of the whole arguement is there should be NO AGENDAS in schools at all.

Gay or Straight.
God or Athethist.
Democrat or Republican.

Schools need to focus on thier primary charter. Teaching the 3Rs.

What is taught outside of the school is the sole responisiblity of the parents (Homo or Hetro).

The parent should have full control over what and when any subject is address.

Eitherway this whole thread was probably a waste of space as Paramount never did produce the literature in question.

So essentially this whole thing has been a law school case study.

CE

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[quote=temeculaguy]Why do people still champion the pizza thief, he was let go after appeal so he never really got the three strikes treatment. Oh, and he was no saint either, still isn’t. But the premise of the law is that if you commit a heinous felony (public demonstrations turning to riots does not count) and you go to prison, not jail. Then commit another one and go to prison again, and then, any felony counts as your third. Even if you kill 2 people in one day, you only get one strike. If you kill 5 people before getting caught, one strike. The point is that after you are caught, serve time, get out, do it again, serve time, you don’t get to do anything wrong, perhaps you need to stay away from potential riots at that point.

Here is a list of the felonies that qualify as your first two strikes.

http://www.threestrikes.org/tscrimes.html

The only one that doesn’t seem heinous is the burglary of an inhabited dwelling. If they dropped that one, the rest are pretty damn bad. If you read the list, spousal abuse is not listed. Bar fights not listed. Public protest that ends in a riot, not listed, unless you manage to molest a child during the protest, then I guess you are just exercising your right to free speech and things went bad. Damn government.[/quote]

Bad analogy.

If you kill five people in one day you are probably NOT going to get out.

But understand your point.

CE

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[quote=dumbrenter]watch my life : a train wreck[/quote]

+1

CE

Mines not a horror movie… More of a black comedy…

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[quote=afx114]Guess What? The ‘Knockout Game’ Is America’s Latest Phony Panic[/quote]

Panic yea. Phony no.

I have seen this played before in Denver 12 years ago.

Still have a better chance of winning the lottery than to be a victim.

Doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen.

CE

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[quote=Rich Toscano]Hi Graham! Sorry, I’ve just gotten behind on it… I will get to it this weekend![/quote]

Thanks I have been checking your site everyday for this data.

I guess I could have looked elsewhere but you see…

I’m an addict to this site!

CE

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[quote=CA renter][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=CA renter]For one thing, this contractor is trying to get the BAC level lowered from .08 to .05. That way, more people can be arrested for DUI, and more people can be fined and go to those private jails. Hooray for privatization!

Of course, they will sell it as being “for our own good.”

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I think I heard this same arguement from CCPOA.

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I’ve searched, but couldn’t find anything. Any evidence or data? Links?[/quote]

Three Strikes Law? Get all those felons off the street was supposed to be for our own good too.

CE

P.S. This is actually a terrible point to use for debate. It could be argued from either side as effective or ineffective depending upon the metric used.

A better and more to the point debate would be around prop 69.

Which is in my eyes unconstitionual.

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[quote=CA renter]For one thing, this contractor is trying to get the BAC level lowered from .08 to .05. That way, more people can be arrested for DUI, and more people can be fined and go to those private jails. Hooray for privatization!

Of course, they will sell it as being “for our own good.”

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I think I heard this same arguement from CCPOA.

CE

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[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=CDMA ENG][quote=Blogstar]Paramount is not a troll. he just says that anyone who disagrees with him is a homosexual pedophile. Perfectly logical if you are paranoid.

What’s the difference if the kids learn about religious cultures or that some humans pair bond with the same sex? I wish we had a large religion and philosophy survey curricula starting in kindergarten. Anthropology too…then all the kids who are going to drop out could get the good stuff first.[/quote]

That’s a little unfair. Homophob is an argueable point but pedophile…

He never alluded to that.

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CE, you must have missed the piggington.com Quote of the Year:

[quote=Paramount]The comments I’m reading here are VERY disturbing. Is this a NMBLA Board in disguise?[/quote][/quote]

Duh! I forgot. Your right I stand corrected. Never should blog before cafe’.

CE

P.S. That was one of the more provacative statements.

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[quote=spdrun]But I agree with you re: working hours. And feel that a good safety-net is one way to reduce job-related stress and discrete hiring costs (thus enabling employers to hire more people with fewer average hours). This should be beneficial in itself.

Lastly, I’m a New Yorker largely raised in NJ, and I tell it like I see it. If you don’t like it, go bite me, and feel free to ignore-list me.[/quote]

Whatever man… I typically get taken for a NY Italian.

I lived in NY to but was raised in Las Vegas. I have the demeanor of a NY’er though I am really more of a Chicago Italian due to my family being from there…

You can straight to the point and outspoken… but you don’t have to be nasty about it…

Your comment above is the example of a good exchange.

CE

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[quote=Blogstar]Paramount is not a troll. he just says that anyone who disagrees with him is a homosexual pedophile. Perfectly logical if you are paranoid.

What’s the difference if the kids learn about religious cultures or that some humans pair bond with the same sex? I wish we had a large religion and philosophy survey curricula starting in kindergarten. Anthropology too…then all the kids who are going to drop out could get the good stuff first.[/quote]

That’s a little unfair. Homophob is an argueable point but pedophile…

He never alluded to that.

CE

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Fuck you and your horseshit. Everything is very black and white to you.
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For him it was about the attention to the elderly in day to day circumstances. The lack of preventative care that could prolong life.

Hey, at least I don’t resort to ad hominem, which is how you know that the other side has lost a debate. Thanks 🙂

Funny that life expectancy in most of Europe, including the UK beats the US by a few years.[/quote]

Your arguement is weak though mine is no winner either and really mine is not even an arguement because I have expressed no conclusion one way or the other.

You just tend to be nasty and mean spirited in 80% of your post. So the the point still stands.

Lastly your conclusion of life spans has very little to do with health care systems.

It has everything to do with the way americans live thier lives compared to other countries.

We work far to much and too hard in this country compare to our European cousins. I have even had job offers because they wanted staff from India, China, and the US becasue they could not get their own citizens to work hard enough to bring projects in on time.

Lastly, you dont actually win many arguement or even issue good points of debate so, in fact you didnt “win” either.

CE

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[quote=dumbrenter][quote=Jazzman]Here we go again. The documentary is NOT about socialized vs private. That is not the debate. The core issues are about how care is administered and how it encourages out of control spending, often to the detriment of patient health, and sometimes with fatal consequences. There is a direct relationship between increasing costs and decreasing quality care. Doctors and hospitals obviously understand this better than we do. Whether you have an aunt in the Netherlands, or an ailing mum in the UK, if you haven’t watched the documentary you may be missing the point here.[/quote]

To copy from Mark Twain, those posters who are expressing opinions here are not going to confine themselves to the narrow constraint of the link you posted.[/quote]

Good point Dumb… but I did address the Death Panel issue which is the first line of the post.

Just haven’t gotten around to watching a 1 long video… even if it is PBS.

CE

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[quote=spdrun]Imagine if we cut 50% of the funding to the military and its associated parasites and spent the public money saved on providing health care to all Americans… Plenty of wasted public money in the violence industry. I’d rather my tax money be spent prolonging lives (even those of > 80 year olds) than murdering brown people abroad and abusing people in this country in the name of some “war on drugs.”

This being said, my grandmother was hit by a truck crossing the street in London at age 76 or so. She received very good care from the UK medical system and ended up living another 21 healthy years. “Socialized medicine lets old people die” is horseshit — if anything, private insurance has more motive to let more expensive patients go than a public service does.[/quote]

Fuck you and your horseshit. Everything is very black and white to you.

Every other post from you is some nasty little opinion… Every heard of a debate?

My friend who is british doesn’t believe the same as you and I would say he is far more qualified to give an antedotal then someone who has never been treated by the system.

He is equally entitled to his opinion.

Of course in the case of your grandmother getting hit by the truck they are going to do something… The goverment is not just going to let her die in the streets or even on the operating table.

For him it was about the attention to the elderly in day to day circumstances. The lack of preventative care that could prolong life.

In his case the doctors are not making anymore money whether they care about you or not. Whether they go the extra mile to treat you.

That is not the case here in america. The insurance companies my try to deny the claim but the doctor is out to “upsell” his services. That leads to somewhat better medical care though the doctors intentions are not altruistic. Haven’t you noticed your dentist doing this?

CE

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