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Participant[quote=spdrun]And again, who cares? Even if California ends up being majority Latino and/or Mexican, how will this affect you? The political system won’t change that much since it’s governed by the Federal and state constitution, both of which are hard to change.
Maybe you’ll end up with the good aspects of the culture south of the border — without the rampant crime and corruption.[/quote]
Not difficult to change if another culture becomes the majority. Not difficult at all.
And we already have good influences from Latin America. How would you propose to eliminate the rampant crime and corruption, though? Already, in many immigrant neighborhoods, particularly in poor Latin American neighborhoods, the crime rate and dropout rate from school is extremely high. How do you propose we fix that?
Participant[quote=spdrun]And again, who cares? Even if California ends up being majority Latino and/or Mexican, how will this affect you?[/quote]
A political takeover will affect everyone living in this area.
Again, immigration that is controlled for quality and quantity is a good thing. Unchecked immigration is not. The host country cannot bear the huge burden that comes with millions of poverty-stricken immigrants from poor countries. Why do you think the Europeans are in such an uproar?
And, yes, culture is important, too. People need to assimilate when they move to another country. I would expect the same of myself and my family if we were to move to another country.
Participant[quote=spdrun]Nah, if most Mexican immigrants wanted to live in Mexico, they’d have stayed there. I really doubt this is a serious trend.[/quote]
I’ve lived here (Southern California) all my life and have heard this from many different sources. I wish you were right.
Participant[quote=spdrun][quote=CA renter]I’ve had Mexican-American friends tell me that the Mexicans were going to “take back” their territory in a bloodless war, simply by out-populating the white Americans. [/quote]
Think about what you’re saying.
Real question is, so what if they do and the US west ends up majority Mexican/Latino? How does that affect you? I don’t think that anyone is seriously proposing that Upper California should rejoin Mexico — most immigrants come here to escape bad political conditions down there.
Also, intermarriage tends to be more common among children of Latino immigrants, so we might end up with a “Californian” identity rather than a “Mexican” one in 100 years.
In short, who cares, unless you have some outdated notions of ethnic purity?
And this is an AWESOME trend. One out of five Californians now marries outside their race…
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/interracial-marriages-u-s-hit-all-time-high-4-8-million-article-1.1023643%5B/quote%5DYes, they are seriously proposing taking over the parts of the U.S. that were once Mexican territory. I agree that it would seem a bit insane, since that’s what they are supposedly trying to escape, but they don’t seem to be overly concerned with those types of details.
And I’ve personally seen the interracial marriage rates climbing as most of our kids friends are mixtures of two or more races. This wasn’t the case when I was growing up. I have no problem with that at all, but I DO have a problem with a political “takeover” of our country. If most of us wanted to live in Mexico, we’d already be there. Most of us don’t want to live in Mexico.
Participant[quote=spdrun]^^^
This is why we should allow more legal immigrants who are manual laborers — then they’d be subject ot the same minimum wage protections as anyone else in the country.I don’t see a labor surplus in that part of the economy.[/quote]
Only if there is a true shortage of labor. And I totally agree that all immigrants who come here should have some form of legal status, but not necessarily the right to work nor the right to public services and infrastructure. Somebody needs to pay for that, and I’d like to see the employers shoulder more of the burden that taxpayers and legal/citizen employees are bearing.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=deadzone]Like all nations, we have immigration laws. If you are of the opinion that we should not have such laws, or that the laws should not be enforced, you are basically in favor of open borders.
But being in favor of open borders is extremist and not realistic. Can you name a single developed country with open borders in terms of immigration policy?[/quote]
Nobody is saying that immigration laws should not be enforced. Your claim about completely open borders is a strawman.
I am saying that immigration laws should be changed to reflect reality. There is clearly a market for manual labor in the US and there is clearly an underground economy structured around it. Why not make it legitimate for all parties?[/quote]
The reason for the “shortage” of legal manual labor is the compensation for this type of work. If you believe in the free market, then you would agree that prices should rise until more labor is attracted to that sector.
Illegal immigration is the same thing as offshoring jobs to China. It’s a way for employers to exploit the cheapest, most desperate workers in the world. Corporations benefit, and workers in developed countries lose.
If we had a true demand for this labor, I’d be all for it, but we have surplus labor in this country, not a shortage.
ParticipantStart watching this interview at the 5:00 mark, and you’ll see a discussion between Bernie Sanders and Jorge Ramos (who was kicked out of Trump’s event), and it references another interview where the journalist was pushing the issue of open borders. Ramos is trying to push Sanders to discuss opening the borders between North American countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQ9Pc0GDpU
Seriously, pri, you are simply not aware of what’s going on around you…in so very many ways.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]
[…] But open borders with countries that have massive numbers of poor/unskilled people who stubbornly insist on clinging to their own cultures (as opposed to trying to assimilate) when living in another country is not a good thing.[/quote]
True, it’s not a good thing.
Fortunately we don’t have that scenario here in the US.[/quote]
You keep telling yourself that, Harvey.
http://humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-raza/
And before you argue about the source of this information, I can say for a fact that this was promoted on my college campus, and I’ve had Mexican-American friends tell me that the Mexicans were going to “take back” their territory in a bloodless war, simply by out-populating the white Americans. You could also hear about it on Mexican radio in L.A. In the Mexican restaurant that my family frequents, it’s on a poster on the wall, with the timeline from Native American power to current times, and a question mark at the end.
You’re either not paying attention, or you’re just trolling again.
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]Seems like half of Irvine is on sale.[/quote]
Good news. Hopefully, this is signaling the beginning of the “normalization” of housing prices.
ParticipantYou’re so funny, paramount.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=bewildering]
Wow. Ask any Aboriginal about the positive benefits of migration, or Native American.[/quote]That bridge has already been crossed. Now they have casinos, air conditioning and Christianity.[/quote]
Even with their casinos and Christianity, they are not “winning,” Brian. Ask anyone who works on the reservations.
I agree that controlled immigration, where the quantity and quality of new immigrants are carefully regulated, can be a good thing. But open borders with countries that have massive numbers of poor/unskilled people who stubbornly insist on clinging to their own cultures (as opposed to trying to assimilate) when living in another country is not a good thing.
One thing that liberals/progressives get horribly wrong is thinking that you can have open borders (without any controls) and a generous social safety net. The two are not compatible.
ParticipantBrian, this is a good article about the immigration crisis in Germany.
Of course, the numbers are different here, but the issue of potential costs and benefits are the same.
Participant[quote=barnaby33]Meh should is the most dangerous word in the English language. Immigration was good. Not so much at this point, especially that of the illegal variety. Thinking that rising asset prices because of rising population is good, that’s how a virus reacts to it’s environment. No consideration of limits, but they exist.
Josh[/quote]Agree with this and Jazzman.
Growing populations are not necessarily good unless there are plentiful resources and a high demand for labor, etc.
Right now, we are dealing with dwindling resources, way too much pollution from our consumption economy, and a glut of labor at all levels (yes, the story about a shortage of STEM degrees is a myth).
We don’t need more immigrants to burden our already-overburdened infrastructure — including roads, potable water supply, wastewater treatment facilities, schools, hospitals, prisons, etc. We only need immigrants who bring something that we need — money, talent (that can’t be done for a decent/fair wage by local workers), entrepreneurial skills, etc.
And can we finally let go of the ridiculous notion that rising asset prices are a good thing? They are only good for those who own assets (in actuality, they are only good for those who are selling assets or who will use them as collateral for self-liquidating debt). Those who are buying these assets, or those who own few assets, are harmed more than helped by rising asset prices.
ParticipantJust catching up on posts and clicked the link. They are now offering only 1.1% on this savings account.
This was my experience over many years of chasing yields. If you want to keep your money liquid, there’s a good chance that the “intro” rate will drop rather quickly once you open the account, and you’re right back to where you were.
Wish there was a better answer. The 1.1% is still better than most savings accounts, but be prepared to be frustrated when the rate keeps dropping. 🙁
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