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ParticipantDo you really think that people desperate enough to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert are going to be turned back by a fence? Hell no.
The reason they have to risk death crossing miles and miles of desert is that they are forced to go around the fence of death that Clinton built during Operation Gatekeeper. Building partial fences is just making the coyotes rich and killing poor, desperate people. There are two solutions — tear down the fences entirely and allow free movement of people or build and monitor a complete fence stretching from the Gulf to the Pacific. Either solution will probably cost us taxpayers the same amount.
The real issue is corporate control of the US. The reason there are so many desperate illegals willing to do anything to get here is that big ag pushed NAFTA through in order to open up the Mexican market. The campesinos down there were left with no choice and most of us would do the same if we were in their shoes.
We’re all doomed!
ParticipantWe don’t need a fence. We just need to enforce the work laws. Crack down on the employers and they’ll stop hiring.
My friends in DHS say it’s not gonna happen without a fence, but of course maybe they just want more $$$ to build it 🙂 Anyway, here’s a little inside scoop — most of these illegals have documents, social security numbers, driver’s licenses, etc… Once you have the SS # it all follows from there. Employers check these numbers against a federal database which apparently isn’t very accurate.
Anyway, DHS has collected a list of around a million fraudulent SS #s that illegals are using; they presented this list to the SSA and IRS a couple of years back to get these numbers off of the good list; that way if anyone tries to use them they’ll be caught. Guess what the IRS/SSA said? NO, we can’t take these numbers off of our list because WE NEED THE TAX REVENUE. That’s right, your own IRS is complicit in this scam. That is straight from a DHS officer so I’m sure it’s true.
You are right that a fence won’t be necessary, but we will need a national ID card like every other country has. Either solution would be allright with me…
ParticipantWe don’t need a fence. We just need to enforce the work laws. Crack down on the employers and they’ll stop hiring.
My friends in DHS say it’s not gonna happen without a fence, but of course maybe they just want more $$$ to build it 🙂 Anyway, here’s a little inside scoop — most of these illegals have documents, social security numbers, driver’s licenses, etc… Once you have the SS # it all follows from there. Employers check these numbers against a federal database which apparently isn’t very accurate.
Anyway, DHS has collected a list of around a million fraudulent SS #s that illegals are using; they presented this list to the SSA and IRS a couple of years back to get these numbers off of the good list; that way if anyone tries to use them they’ll be caught. Guess what the IRS/SSA said? NO, we can’t take these numbers off of our list because WE NEED THE TAX REVENUE. That’s right, your own IRS is complicit in this scam. That is straight from a DHS officer so I’m sure it’s true.
You are right that a fence won’t be necessary, but we will need a national ID card like every other country has. Either solution would be allright with me…
ParticipantThe US could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if it wanted to. We went to the moon, don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ to Matamoros. But we won’t stop it because the business interests that control this country don’t want it stopped. They are addicted to cheap labor; illegals don’t usually organize and they’re usually (not always though) afraid to go to the authorities to complain about unsafe work conditions, unpaid overtime, or on-the-job injuries for fear of being sent home.
The political parties trot out “solutions” every few years to make you think they’re doing something — tough new border controls and partial fences to please the anti-immigrant crowd (and put dollars in the DHS coffers), and amnesty and visa ploys to please the pro-immigrant crowd. But in the end nothing changes.
The Republicans are particulary disingenous about this, and are the masters of playing to both sides. They get Sensebrenner (from Wisconsin, not a lot of Rodriguez’s in the phonebooks there) to talk tough about building new fences or hiring more DHS officers while at the same time Dubya (Texas) and Dubya’s Bubba Jeb (Florida) are speaking Spanish and talking about guestworker programs and amnesty. So everyone thinks that the Republicans have the right answer, because they have every answer!
Of course, the blame for the explosive growth in illegal immigration rests with Clinton and the NAFTA crew — NAFTA put all of those Mexican farmworkers out of work almost overnight as Mexico was flooded with cheap agricultural products from giant US factory farms. They went from the 1920s to the 1990s overnight and, like the Okie sharecroppers forced off of their land in the depression, they made their way anywhere they could find work. It’s the biggest Northbound migration since the 1910 Mexican revolution, when almost a million Mexicans came to the US at a time when our population was only 90M.
We are all doomed.
ParticipantThe US could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if it wanted to. We went to the moon, don’t tell me we can’t build a fence stretching from TJ to Matamoros. But we won’t stop it because the business interests that control this country don’t want it stopped. They are addicted to cheap labor; illegals don’t usually organize and they’re usually (not always though) afraid to go to the authorities to complain about unsafe work conditions, unpaid overtime, or on-the-job injuries for fear of being sent home.
The political parties trot out “solutions” every few years to make you think they’re doing something — tough new border controls and partial fences to please the anti-immigrant crowd (and put dollars in the DHS coffers), and amnesty and visa ploys to please the pro-immigrant crowd. But in the end nothing changes.
The Republicans are particulary disingenous about this, and are the masters of playing to both sides. They get Sensebrenner (from Wisconsin, not a lot of Rodriguez’s in the phonebooks there) to talk tough about building new fences or hiring more DHS officers while at the same time Dubya (Texas) and Dubya’s Bubba Jeb (Florida) are speaking Spanish and talking about guestworker programs and amnesty. So everyone thinks that the Republicans have the right answer, because they have every answer!
Of course, the blame for the explosive growth in illegal immigration rests with Clinton and the NAFTA crew — NAFTA put all of those Mexican farmworkers out of work almost overnight as Mexico was flooded with cheap agricultural products from giant US factory farms. They went from the 1920s to the 1990s overnight and, like the Okie sharecroppers forced off of their land in the depression, they made their way anywhere they could find work. It’s the biggest Northbound migration since the 1910 Mexican revolution, when almost a million Mexicans came to the US at a time when our population was only 90M.
We are all doomed.
ParticipantYeah, that’s a better way to say it. But I don’t think it’s the government’s MO as much as it is the MO of big business. Government’s MO is just to grow and avoid responsibility.
We’re all screwed.
ParticipantYeah, that’s a better way to say it. But I don’t think it’s the government’s MO as much as it is the MO of big business. Government’s MO is just to grow and avoid responsibility.
We’re all screwed.
ParticipantPrivatize profit, publicize risk. That is the motto of the powers-that-be.
ParticipantPrivatize profit, publicize risk. That is the motto of the powers-that-be.
ParticipantFor 90% of the people using interest-only loans, they are essentially a very dumb, expensive, risky way to rent a house by substituting a bank for the landlord. For 5% of people, they are a great way to get into a house when it’s known that their salary will be increasing dramatically soon (soon-to-be doctors, lawyers, etc…) For the other 5% (wealthy, successful RE investors), they are an essential tool for maximizing leverage and reducing carrying costs. They are just a tool and unfortunately a lot of people have used them incorrectly…
ParticipantFor 90% of the people using interest-only loans, they are essentially a very dumb, expensive, risky way to rent a house by substituting a bank for the landlord. For 5% of people, they are a great way to get into a house when it’s known that their salary will be increasing dramatically soon (soon-to-be doctors, lawyers, etc…) For the other 5% (wealthy, successful RE investors), they are an essential tool for maximizing leverage and reducing carrying costs. They are just a tool and unfortunately a lot of people have used them incorrectly…
ParticipantI’m looking for a muni that’s strongly invested in capital good producers with strong int’l exposure.
Isn’t a “muni” a municipal bond? Aren’t municipal bonds issued by cities to finance debt? What does that have to do with capital goods production and international exposure?
ParticipantI’m looking for a muni that’s strongly invested in capital good producers with strong int’l exposure.
Isn’t a “muni” a municipal bond? Aren’t municipal bonds issued by cities to finance debt? What does that have to do with capital goods production and international exposure?
ParticipantStocks have no correlation with reality in the short-term. They are all gamed by the pig-men. Any news you read about any company or commodity has been pre-filtered and time-released to get you to either buy, sell, or short. The pig-men wait in the wings for you to make your move and then they take advantage of it. You can never beat them, they have access to huge amounts of capital and far more information than you ever will.
Over the long-term you can best inflation in index funds.
This is not financial advice, just an observation gained from painful personal experience.
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