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BigGovernmentIsGood
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
BigGubment: Let me preface this statement with a disclaimer that it is NOT pro-Prop 23. However, again you either cite facts incorrectly, or misuse them entirely.While Valero and Tesoro may only employ 4,000 employees in California, Big Oil employs far more than that number in this state. If Chevron isn’t California’s largest employer, it is close, and maintains two of the largest refineries in this state (Richmond and El Segundo).
[/quote]Chevron employs 6,000 people in California and is California’s 34th largest employer.
http://www.acinet.org/acinet/oview6.asp?printer=&next=oview6&id=&nodeid=12&stfips=06&group=2
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Add in BP (Carson), Exxon (Torrance) and Conoco (Wilmington) and I’d be willing to be that you’re well in excess of that somewhat suspect 500k employees number that the green industry supposedly employs.
[/quote]None of those employers are in the top 50. Let’s assume they all tied with Asian Housekeeping as California’s 50th largest employer and have 5,000 California employees each.
Here’s what that totals up to:
Chevron: 6,000
BP: 5,000
Exxon: 5,000
Conoco: 5,000That’s 21,000 employees at the very most. You were only off by a factor of 25.
Your posts are some of the most retarded on this site. You seriously have the nerve to question my use of facts when you pull shit out of your ass like that? Pathetic. Are you posting from a mental institution or something?
Stop trolling this thread you moron. Bring actual facts to the discussion or just shut the hell up.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The problem with green/clean energy is that, at present, its nowhere near being able to supplant oil/gas/coal in terms of either volume or pricing.
[/quote]In Houston, green energy is priced almost the same as fossil-fuel based energy:
Green Mountain Energy is offering Texas electricity consumers an environmentally friendly service at a rate matching that of Reliant Energy — a sign of a growing interest in green energy and the rising price of traditionally produced power.
Touted as a “pollution free” plan, Green Mountain Energy gets the power it sells from wind turbines and hydroelectric plants and will cost about 11.1 cents per kilowatt-hour, the same price current Reliant Energy customers are paying.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/2938859.html
Again, it is you that is playing fast and loose with the facts. How the hell do I get labeled as a troll by the owner of this site when idiots like you are allowed to roam free and spout BS incessantly?
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
BigGubment: Let me preface this statement with a disclaimer that it is NOT pro-Prop 23. However, again you either cite facts incorrectly, or misuse them entirely.While Valero and Tesoro may only employ 4,000 employees in California, Big Oil employs far more than that number in this state. If Chevron isn’t California’s largest employer, it is close, and maintains two of the largest refineries in this state (Richmond and El Segundo).
[/quote]Chevron employs 6,000 people in California and is California’s 34th largest employer.
http://www.acinet.org/acinet/oview6.asp?printer=&next=oview6&id=&nodeid=12&stfips=06&group=2
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Add in BP (Carson), Exxon (Torrance) and Conoco (Wilmington) and I’d be willing to be that you’re well in excess of that somewhat suspect 500k employees number that the green industry supposedly employs.
[/quote]None of those employers are in the top 50. Let’s assume they all tied with Asian Housekeeping as California’s 50th largest employer and have 5,000 California employees each.
Here’s what that totals up to:
Chevron: 6,000
BP: 5,000
Exxon: 5,000
Conoco: 5,000That’s 21,000 employees at the very most. You were only off by a factor of 25.
Your posts are some of the most retarded on this site. You seriously have the nerve to question my use of facts when you pull shit out of your ass like that? Pathetic. Are you posting from a mental institution or something?
Stop trolling this thread you moron. Bring actual facts to the discussion or just shut the hell up.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The problem with green/clean energy is that, at present, its nowhere near being able to supplant oil/gas/coal in terms of either volume or pricing.
[/quote]In Houston, green energy is priced almost the same as fossil-fuel based energy:
Green Mountain Energy is offering Texas electricity consumers an environmentally friendly service at a rate matching that of Reliant Energy — a sign of a growing interest in green energy and the rising price of traditionally produced power.
Touted as a “pollution free” plan, Green Mountain Energy gets the power it sells from wind turbines and hydroelectric plants and will cost about 11.1 cents per kilowatt-hour, the same price current Reliant Energy customers are paying.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/2938859.html
Again, it is you that is playing fast and loose with the facts. How the hell do I get labeled as a troll by the owner of this site when idiots like you are allowed to roam free and spout BS incessantly?
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
BigGubment: Let me preface this statement with a disclaimer that it is NOT pro-Prop 23. However, again you either cite facts incorrectly, or misuse them entirely.While Valero and Tesoro may only employ 4,000 employees in California, Big Oil employs far more than that number in this state. If Chevron isn’t California’s largest employer, it is close, and maintains two of the largest refineries in this state (Richmond and El Segundo).
[/quote]Chevron employs 6,000 people in California and is California’s 34th largest employer.
http://www.acinet.org/acinet/oview6.asp?printer=&next=oview6&id=&nodeid=12&stfips=06&group=2
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Add in BP (Carson), Exxon (Torrance) and Conoco (Wilmington) and I’d be willing to be that you’re well in excess of that somewhat suspect 500k employees number that the green industry supposedly employs.
[/quote]None of those employers are in the top 50. Let’s assume they all tied with Asian Housekeeping as California’s 50th largest employer and have 5,000 California employees each.
Here’s what that totals up to:
Chevron: 6,000
BP: 5,000
Exxon: 5,000
Conoco: 5,000That’s 21,000 employees at the very most. You were only off by a factor of 25.
Your posts are some of the most retarded on this site. You seriously have the nerve to question my use of facts when you pull shit out of your ass like that? Pathetic. Are you posting from a mental institution or something?
Stop trolling this thread you moron. Bring actual facts to the discussion or just shut the hell up.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The problem with green/clean energy is that, at present, its nowhere near being able to supplant oil/gas/coal in terms of either volume or pricing.
[/quote]In Houston, green energy is priced almost the same as fossil-fuel based energy:
Green Mountain Energy is offering Texas electricity consumers an environmentally friendly service at a rate matching that of Reliant Energy — a sign of a growing interest in green energy and the rising price of traditionally produced power.
Touted as a “pollution free” plan, Green Mountain Energy gets the power it sells from wind turbines and hydroelectric plants and will cost about 11.1 cents per kilowatt-hour, the same price current Reliant Energy customers are paying.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/2938859.html
Again, it is you that is playing fast and loose with the facts. How the hell do I get labeled as a troll by the owner of this site when idiots like you are allowed to roam free and spout BS incessantly?
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
BigGubment: Let me preface this statement with a disclaimer that it is NOT pro-Prop 23. However, again you either cite facts incorrectly, or misuse them entirely.While Valero and Tesoro may only employ 4,000 employees in California, Big Oil employs far more than that number in this state. If Chevron isn’t California’s largest employer, it is close, and maintains two of the largest refineries in this state (Richmond and El Segundo).
[/quote]Chevron employs 6,000 people in California and is California’s 34th largest employer.
http://www.acinet.org/acinet/oview6.asp?printer=&next=oview6&id=&nodeid=12&stfips=06&group=2
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Add in BP (Carson), Exxon (Torrance) and Conoco (Wilmington) and I’d be willing to be that you’re well in excess of that somewhat suspect 500k employees number that the green industry supposedly employs.
[/quote]None of those employers are in the top 50. Let’s assume they all tied with Asian Housekeeping as California’s 50th largest employer and have 5,000 California employees each.
Here’s what that totals up to:
Chevron: 6,000
BP: 5,000
Exxon: 5,000
Conoco: 5,000That’s 21,000 employees at the very most. You were only off by a factor of 25.
Your posts are some of the most retarded on this site. You seriously have the nerve to question my use of facts when you pull shit out of your ass like that? Pathetic. Are you posting from a mental institution or something?
Stop trolling this thread you moron. Bring actual facts to the discussion or just shut the hell up.
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The problem with green/clean energy is that, at present, its nowhere near being able to supplant oil/gas/coal in terms of either volume or pricing.
[/quote]In Houston, green energy is priced almost the same as fossil-fuel based energy:
Green Mountain Energy is offering Texas electricity consumers an environmentally friendly service at a rate matching that of Reliant Energy — a sign of a growing interest in green energy and the rising price of traditionally produced power.
Touted as a “pollution free” plan, Green Mountain Energy gets the power it sells from wind turbines and hydroelectric plants and will cost about 11.1 cents per kilowatt-hour, the same price current Reliant Energy customers are paying.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/2938859.html
Again, it is you that is playing fast and loose with the facts. How the hell do I get labeled as a troll by the owner of this site when idiots like you are allowed to roam free and spout BS incessantly?
Participant[quote=sreeb]
I continue to believe the 500K number is self serving crap.[/quote]Why? Who’s interests are being served?
Participant[quote=sreeb]
I continue to believe the 500K number is self serving crap.[/quote]Why? Who’s interests are being served?
Participant[quote=sreeb]
I continue to believe the 500K number is self serving crap.[/quote]Why? Who’s interests are being served?
Participant[quote=sreeb]
I continue to believe the 500K number is self serving crap.[/quote]Why? Who’s interests are being served?
Participant[quote=sreeb]
I continue to believe the 500K number is self serving crap.[/quote]Why? Who’s interests are being served?
Participant[quote=sreeb]There aren’t 500K “green energy jobs” in California. How many people do you know who have one?[/quote]
That 500,000 number came from the Employment Development Department-Labor Market Information Division.
So you’ve looked around at the people you know, determined that none of them have green energy jobs, and have decided that the 500K number can’t be accurate? You do realize that 500K is only 1% of the population of California, right? So you can know a lot of people and not know anyone with a green energy job. I continue to be unimpressed with the pro-prop-23 crowd’s inept attempts at using logic.
Participant[quote=sreeb]There aren’t 500K “green energy jobs” in California. How many people do you know who have one?[/quote]
That 500,000 number came from the Employment Development Department-Labor Market Information Division.
So you’ve looked around at the people you know, determined that none of them have green energy jobs, and have decided that the 500K number can’t be accurate? You do realize that 500K is only 1% of the population of California, right? So you can know a lot of people and not know anyone with a green energy job. I continue to be unimpressed with the pro-prop-23 crowd’s inept attempts at using logic.
Participant[quote=sreeb]There aren’t 500K “green energy jobs” in California. How many people do you know who have one?[/quote]
That 500,000 number came from the Employment Development Department-Labor Market Information Division.
So you’ve looked around at the people you know, determined that none of them have green energy jobs, and have decided that the 500K number can’t be accurate? You do realize that 500K is only 1% of the population of California, right? So you can know a lot of people and not know anyone with a green energy job. I continue to be unimpressed with the pro-prop-23 crowd’s inept attempts at using logic.
Participant[quote=sreeb]There aren’t 500K “green energy jobs” in California. How many people do you know who have one?[/quote]
That 500,000 number came from the Employment Development Department-Labor Market Information Division.
So you’ve looked around at the people you know, determined that none of them have green energy jobs, and have decided that the 500K number can’t be accurate? You do realize that 500K is only 1% of the population of California, right? So you can know a lot of people and not know anyone with a green energy job. I continue to be unimpressed with the pro-prop-23 crowd’s inept attempts at using logic.
Participant[quote=sreeb]There aren’t 500K “green energy jobs” in California. How many people do you know who have one?[/quote]
That 500,000 number came from the Employment Development Department-Labor Market Information Division.
So you’ve looked around at the people you know, determined that none of them have green energy jobs, and have decided that the 500K number can’t be accurate? You do realize that 500K is only 1% of the population of California, right? So you can know a lot of people and not know anyone with a green energy job. I continue to be unimpressed with the pro-prop-23 crowd’s inept attempts at using logic.
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