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Participant[quote=flyer]I understand everyone’s POV–even if I don’t agree–and it is laughable to think that anyone feels they are in a position to determine who is “right” and who is “wrong”–especially when it comes to perceptions.
Sadly, even after the election is over, many–whomever they may turn out to be–will find that doing what they thought was “right” won’t really make much difference in the outcome of their lives.
Personally, I just can’t imagine putting my destiny or the destiny of my family into the hands of any politician, as millions seem to be doing in this election.[/quote]flyer, I don’t think having any of these clowns for president will be a “cure-all.” But I DO believe that something can be done about the ACA and our porous border. It’s a joke and its porosity costs CA (AND the Federal Govm’t) a BUNDLE every year in the form of food aid, (partial) hospital reimbursement, paying for public school headcount by each desk filled daily, Federal and state jail/prison beds and supervision, Federal and state court expenses, Federal and State prosecutors and defenders (and their staff), free immunizations for children and on and ON and ON ….
The public schools down here are so full of daily border-crossing students that if a wall was built, many of the schools in the older neighborhoods would have to close as there are no more than a few dozen “legitimate” students who actually live in its attendance area!
Many of those daily “border-crossing students” translate into UC/CSU applicants with US HS diplomas in hand. But there is a BIG DIFFERENCE in those applicants and the thousands of foreign applicants from countries such as China, who will be paying the “full ride” to attend here. The “border-crossing HS-student-turned college applicant is a “resident” of CA for all intents and purposes and usually qualifies for Cal Grants and Pell Grants available to the poor.
This group is directly competing for YOUR kids’ seat at CA public universities and the only difference between you and them is that they’re not likely going to have to pay tuition fees out of their pocket, like you will, should you both be admitted!
It’s the biggest scam of all that Tijuana-area residents have been playing on the Golden State for many years … and our leaders were and are SUCKERS to allow them to do so.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, whatever happened to the folks in Flyover country who have such work ethics that that they have paid off houses and garages full of expensive toys?[/quote]Well, I haven’t checked with any of my “flyover-country” peeps (with or without paid off houses and “toys”) since the holidays. What is your question, exactly??
Participant[quote=joec] . . . I actually don’t agree with Sanders on the whole immigration thing. I probably support NO benefits to make it so people actually don’t want to come here illegally (and forcing everyone else to pay).
At this point, I only want someone who will try to dismantle and hopefully take all the pork and special backside door deals, etc…out and simplify things.
Healthcare for all, make it like every other country (yes, I am ok with NOT treating certain things (and we just die)) and save millions for every company out there and one less headache for companies to deal with. It will cost a lot of money, but companies don’t have to pay for it anymore (directly).[/quote]Well, joec, I’m all in for that wall that Trump proposes (min of 20 feet high and solid smooth thick concrete or steel). As I posted before, If Trump gets the Republican nomination, I see him stumping at the Tijuana Estuary just south of Ream Field this summer/fall amid top brass of the USBP, Homeland Security, as well as SD Mayor Kevin Falconer, Supvsrs Dianne Jacob and Greg Cox in attendance with the latter three posing for the MSM each clutching with one hand a long black and white “snow pole” sunk in the sand. That pole will mark the west end of “the wall.” Likewise, the same exercise will be conducted by the Trump campaign just west of El Paso, TX, inside the NM border where NM Gov Susana Martinez and other TX and MX representatives will hold the snow pole for the cameras amid shouts of Trump, Trump, Trump and USA, signifying the east end of the wall. (The Rio Grande is the natural border between TX and MX.) This proposed wall will be just under 1000 miles long. The Rio Grande will still have to be manned by the USBP on the TX side but it is much less porous than the ~1000 mile land portion of the US/MX border due to the fast-moving river in most areas.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting or having a wall to separate the US from MX. People residing on the other side are free to attempt to cross through a manned checkpoint …. legally. With all the money we save on worker’s comp claims, jeeps and vans and the USBP chasing around people in the hot scrub trying to save illegal border-crossers from the elements and having to operate temporary holding facilities, we can have more gates, if necessary and “man” them a little more thoroughly (see the two paragraphs below) at as least most of the gates (not used for Sentri-Pass holders).
I also feel that non-US citizens attempting to cross thru a manned border gate with anything less than an official document which gives them the right to RESIDE in the US should be “vetted for entry” a little more thoroughly, depending upon time of day and other factors.
Examples: (1) Minor kids with backpacks attempting to cross into the US the early-morning hours on foot, with or without a parent and with or without an obvious school uniform on (this includes teenagers driving through in the early morning hour and adults driving school-age kids through in the early morning hours) and, (2) females trying to cross into the US who are obviously in the third trimester of pregnancy, whether or not they are the drivers or a passenger of a vehicle or are on foot.
I’m very skeptical of “universal health coverage,” mainly because I’ve always had a “real” insurance policy (a PPO), but I’m going to look into how that works exactly (esp if a “supplement” can be purchased, such as with Medicare). I like the idea of having a lot of insurance companies to choose from and having a policy which worked Nationwide for everything (incl a non-emergency doctor visit). I understand the problem of these companies previously redlining people with pre-existing conditions and that’s why I think we should go back to having a “state pool” where each “high risk” applicant is placed with a reputable carrier and the carriers are evenly rotated so that every one doing biz in that state has the same amount of high-risk insureds (just like with auto insurance). The rest of us policyholders could pay a little more so that these “high risk” people had “affordable” policies.
The above would still be cheaper than Obamacare, IMO. We wouldn’t have the expensive middlemen in the form of (incompetent) state “exchanges” mucking up the works and we wouldn’t have subsidies or the individual mandate so the IRS would be out of the picture. Insurance premiums would be cheaper overall because we wouldn’t be required to buy an “ACA-compliant” policy and we would have 6-10 carriers competing with each other to offer individual PPO plans and not just ONE like we do now in CA under the ACA. The poor can go on Medicaid and the Medicaid programs can remain “expanded” to catch people who are too poor to purchase polices but too “asset rich” under the old Medicaid rules to qualify for it.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=bearishgurl][quote=yamashi] . . . I also question your last statement about your ability to pass the bar exam. I’m sure their are very good paralegals, but you can’t compare that to someone that has been practicing. I also hope that you didn’t tell that to people when you interviewed with them. It probably would be akin to a bookkeeper saying they could pass the CPA exam because they’ve been doing journal entries for 30 years.[/quote]H@ll, no. I would never say that in an interview and it wouldn’t help me, anyway cuz I would be applying for a paralegal job with no upward mobility to an attorney position. As it should be.
You can’t compare the work of a paralegal to a “bookkeeper making journal entries.” Paralegals actually do all the work attorneys do except depose witnesses, negotiate settlements and explain their terms to the party(s) and appear before the court. Often when an attorney goes into court to argue a motion, a paralegal wrote the motion and filed it and served it after the attorney looked it over and signed it. If a paralegal’s attorney trusts their research skills and the paralegal provided them with the cases they will be arguing with good notes and possible objections, they’re not going to spend hours (and $100(0)’s of their client’s money) “researching the paralegal’s research.” Ditto for trial prep, deposition prep and witness prep.
Umm, paralegals are frequently the invisible “grunt-worker attorneys” in the back room doing all the work and the “real (licensed) attorney” is in the front room taking all the credit for it.
As it should be :=)[/quote]
I’ve never seen what you describe – however, I have always practiced IP Law, which is relatively specialized. What you say may be true for run of the mill personal injury, residential real estate, etc. but in our office paralegals kept (thousands of boxes of) documents in order, maintained exhibits and deposition transcripts, and did other very useful tasks but not one ever wrote a brief, memo or anything that was filed with the court. If I’m paying a lawyer I expect a lawyer to do the work.[/quote]nj, I believe IP law is a very specialized niche which doesn’t operate the same way as do civil lit cases which are filed in state court. I have no experience in that field.
ParticipantTrump, Trump, Trump. This is the shit I’m afraid off.
[/quote]There’s no need to be “afraid,” AN. Notice that most of the Trump protestors and those claiming Trump is a “racist” are nearly all misinformed, impressionable college students of the 18-22 year-old set. These are people who have likely never voted in a general election in their lives and are thus very inexperienced in studying the issues. Many (most) are lacking in critical thinking skills and are very impressionable.Check out the video below of a young (thoughtful) TX worker-bee (~30 yrs old) driving to work on his MC with two hero cameras (one facing him and one facing the road). He’s of Hispanic descent and states he grew up in a border town (El Paso or McAllen??) and traveled to MX often while growing up. Throughout the video where he considers all of the candidates out loud (and why he’s leaning towards Trump), he complains about a lot of his “facebook friends” calling Trump a “racist” without any justification and complains that he is unable to have an intelligent conversation about the real issues with any of them. It’s pretty enlightening to hear what Joe 6p young Hispanic voter thinks about the current crop of Presidential candidates. I can tell you that he is not alone … not by a long shot.
Participant[quote=flyer][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flyer]
It’s sad to watch all of the conflict fueled by selling these empty
promises–again, on both sides–paired with the desperation of so many people who actually believe any politician can change their lives in any meaningful way.[/quote]Why do you feel the necessity to add “on both sides”. All that does is enable extremists by saying there’s an equivalent opposite side.
Come on, we are taking about Trump here. He’s been disavowed by the last 2 Republican nominees — John Mc Cain and Mitt Romney. There is no equivalent on the democratic side.[/quote]
I added “both sides,” because, as others who have posted have also mentioned, many of us clearly see the qualities you so abhor (caged or otherwise) in other candidates, as well as Trump.
The desperation of the masses (on both sides) to crown a political savior is unlike anything I have seen in my lifetime, and clearly illustrates how hopeless millions of people feel about life.
Blatant empty promises are now, more than ever, the lifeblood of most campaigns, and the electorate mere pawns in a game that, at its core, has little, if anything to do with sincere intentions of changing the destinies of most Americans.
Sadly, most will find, after the fact, that their lives were not transformed as promised, and the cycle will begin again.[/quote]flyer, have you seen any of the recent videos put out by the MSM showing the sheer desolation of “rust belt cities” such as in OH and MI and interviewing its (now chronically-unemployed) inhabitants?
The “desperation” you describe isn’t about race. It’s about families which have, for generations, been able to support themselves with union factory jobs with full benefits and now find themselves permanently out of work and their long-owned homes worth nearly nothing, due to lack of living-wage jobs in the area. They can’t even sell their homes and transfer out of the region for a better job and likely can’t find good renters because there aren’t any living-wage jobs in the region. I can see why these people feel that they’re “stuck” and frustrated with NAFTA, etc.
You see, flyer, you and I ALREADY GOT OURS and GOT OUT of the “rat race” with our union-negotiated pensions and benefits for life! But how would you like to be a ~40-year-old lifetime union member with 3 kids in school and told your lifetime job will be ending because the factory in which you are employed is moving its operations to MX in a few months? Um …. the “seniority” you have acquired over the years won’t do you any good in this instance.
For example, Lorrain, OH (where Trump and Sanders have set up campaign offices) has been a literal ghost town for years due to its longtime steel factories “outsourcing” of ALL their (former) living-wage jobs to China. Two more steel factories are set to close at the end of this month:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hard-hit-ohio-steel-town-trump-and-sanders-resonate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoJkjJCvgSE
Three Ford plants in this part of OH were closed about five years ago. The following (2011) video states that their factories will be renovated into other factories or warehouses in the next four years (ostensibly to create “replacement jobs”) but of course, NOTHING has been done with any of them as of today:
https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KIo9RhJOdWG24ATtgsnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWc0dGJtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMQ–?p=lorain%2C+OH+lost+auto+assembly+jobs&vid=db08d84b17242d089949be9cca682ae4&turl=http%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOVP.Va0ecc0235132566772e7d8e0cb0998fd%26pid%3D15.1%26h%3D170%26w%3D300%26c%3D7%26rs%3D1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.foxnews.com%2Fv%2F1211307075001%2Fford-closing-assembly-plant-in-ohio%2F&tit=Ford+Closing+Assembly+Plant+in+Ohio&c=0&h=170&w=300&l=111&sigr=12dt4v4hi&sigt=113lqaspd&sigi=131kce5fb&age=1318230000&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av&fr=yhs-mozilla-002&hsimp=yhs-002&hspart=mozilla&tt=b
I think more than a few Piggs currently sitting in their Sorrento Valley (SD) offices (with carefully-placed SD indigenous plants out their professionally-landscaped office windows situated on a modern “company campus” with a running track/obstacle course and cafeteria with CA farm-fresh “organic” food for their employees’ lunchtime enjoyment) are a little happier with their lives and thus, much happier with the “status quo” than they would be if they were longtime “rust-belt dwellers” who now have genuinely hardscrabble lives.
Our “representative Pigg group” is undoubtedly ALSO happier than they would be than if they were longtime (LEGAL-resident) Otay Mesa (SD) dwellers (with multiple family members as neighbors) who now have the US Homeland Security Dept’s bright lights on high-beam shining through their windows all night while desperate illegal immigrants are constantly attempting to jump their backyard fences to temporarily “hide” in their backyards from the border patrol’s jeeps and helicopters.
NONE of this “discontent” with the status quo today is about race, people. It’s primarily about our porous borders, lack of employment opportunities and often being “forced” into “welfare programs” due to having no other choice (college degree or not). And those “welfare programs” INCLUDE Obamacare and all the rules and regs that go along with accepting a “subsidy” to help pay its exorbitant premiums, however “paltry” that subsidy may be.
We all need to be able to put ourselves into other Americans’ shoes (who don’t live and work in a SD, CA area of $700K+ homes) to understand exactly what is going on here with Election ’16. Having regularly traveled by road to 17+ states (some dozens of times) all of my life, I’ve seen things that a good portion of the rest of you likely never come into contact with and can’t possibly envision in your wildest dreams. Remaining in your bubbles whilst taking personally all this “campaign rhetoric” and believing it is all about YOU (are you listening, flu?) and stating that the pure “campaign rhetoric” we’re hearing is an intentional overt put-down of all races except “white” is skirting the real issues.
What US-citizen parents of minor kids on this forum SHOULD be worried about, IMO, is IF there will be any slots left for their UC/CSU-bound kid when the time comes after each campus admits their “fair share” of students with a CA HS diploma who are suspected NOT to be US citizens. This is so because the law forbids the admission boards to ask each applicant’s citizenship on their applications! And you parents should be concerned as to whether that “Dream Act” student will be eligible for a Pell grant as well to comfortably get them thru all four years. The “Dream Act” applicant may have only spent 3-4 years in attendance at a CA public HS (the rest of their schooling was in MX) in order to produce the records necessary to “vet” their UC/CSU applications. Practically speaking, just because a college applicant proves they earned a CA public HS diploma with 3 or more years in attendance in no way proves they ever resided in the US to do so! They could have easily simply crossed the border every morning to attend a US school by using a friend or relative’s US address to prove a US residence for “enrollment purposes.” This happens every . single . school day in SD County with the respective District Administrators turning the other cheek with a “wink and a nod” whilst their area school parking lots are lined up with hundreds of motorists at each school site sporting Baja, CA license plates dropping off and picking up students. This has been going on for decades. In area HS’s, these “foreign-plated” vehicles overtly fill up the HS parking lots in broad daylight cuz the MX students (residing in MX? YES!) can drive themselves to school every morning with their newly-issued CA Driver Licenses, no less :=0
I think a lot of people are getting upset for the wrong reasons by the tactics employed by Election 2016 candidates. Especially SoCal residents.
I don’t see most of the “campaign promises” made by any candidate in Election ’16 as “empty.” I believe that a lot of them are actually doable given the “right” cabinet members placed in the “right” posts and the “right” mix in Congress.
And all of the above conditions don’t have to be present all at once to be successful in delivering ONE campaign promise.
And for the record, I am still registered as an “Independent.”
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, corporations get to kids when they are healthy. Just watch European TV (or travel). Over there, teenagers and millenials are skinny and look younger. Over here, our kids are pudgy. There are social and scientific reasons for that . . . . [/quote]Uhh, yeah. The fact that a frap at Starbucks (typical “after-school snack”) has 500-1000 calories, depending on size, isn’t helping these kids. And curly fries at Carl’s Jr and all the other fast food offerings today (incl bags of “Takis” from the corner grocery store) did not exist when I was growing up. Nor could we get an extra $5-$20 day to spend on junk food until our parent(s) got home from work. (I was lucky if I got 35 cents in the morning to buy a school lunch or if there was even the “right” groceries in my house to pack a sack lunch in the mornings when I was in HS :-0) When we came home from school in the afternoons, we snacked on carrot and celery sticks, peanut butter and saltine crackers and NONE of us were overweight, ever. Of course, we played outside after doing homework instead of sitting around texting on iphones the rest of the day.
[quote=no_such_reality]The real problem is the expectations for long hours, sedentary work, minimal vacation and coupled with greater demands for out of school activities to counter the stripped schools and an out of whack food system where 80% of the food in the grocery store is engineered to push our biological triggers and a subsidies system that makes the worst food for us the most affordable…[/quote]
I think today’s workforce is required to put in LESS facetime at their jobs that we or our parents had to when raising a family. It is now common to telecommute one or more days per week. Also, “sick leave” has now been combined with annual leave in a lot of workplaces so the worker doesn’t have to have a “legitimate excuse” to call in sick and thus has more workdays to take off to do what they need to do with no questions asked. And a parent now has so much more choice in the grocery store to choose from to feed their families. If they “choose” to buy junk food, they had other choices at the store but consciously “chose” what they chose to buy there.
I agree that over the last 15 years, especially, that the public school curriculum in CA has been stripped (of mainly art, music and PE classes). But your kid can still avail themselves of extracurricular music and sports in the public school system. Although these after-school activities do cost a little (instrument rental, bus fare for transport to games, competitions, uniform accessories, etc) a parent today doesn’t have to “pay extra” for “private” programs. My kids’ HS had multiple AP offerings and even an IB program but they weren’t interested in them but did participate in music and athletic extra-curricular activities. If your kid takes advantage of the AP offerings their HS offers and tests out of them, this will give them a HUGE leg up to get accepted into university.
Besides possibly paying a few hundred for a 6-8 week SAT study group led by a professional in the field, I see no reason to spend Big Bucks on other “academic enrichment” courses if your kid’s HS has at least 6 AP offerings. I also don’t see the need to spend Big Bucks on private HS if the public HS in your kid’s attendance area is rated at least an “8” and the money spent on private HS will come from the kid’s proposed college fund. We all know that HS is what you make it, regardless if other students in your kid’s HS drop out. A parent spending Big Bucks on grades 1-8 for “academic enrichment” is also wasting money if that money should have been directed to the kid’s college fund, instead, IMO. (No one really knows how much college will cost 6-12 years from now.)
I repeat that College Admissions Boards DON’T CARE ONE IOTA about anything that happened before 9th grade!
I also feel that homeschooled HS “graduates” (who never set foot inside a public or private HS) are at a disadvantage during the CA public university application process because there is no real “proof” that the applicant actually met the A-G entrance requirements, or more importantly, that whichever family member (parent?) “taught” them over the years was actually competent or ever even graduated from HS themselves! It’s akin to the fox watching the henhouse. I’ve seen some amazingly ignorant non-HS graduates attempt to “homeschool” their MS and HS kids and I feel so sorry for those kids that they are not allowed to join their neighborhood pals down at their local public school due to their closed-minded parent(s) irrational “fears.” I have the highest regard for public school teachers, especially in CA where the standards to obtain a public school teaching credential are very rigorous compared to other states.
Anyway, it seems to me that NSR is just making excuses here why today’s parents are so “rushed” in their daily lives that they feel they must “succumb” to grocery-store marketing tactics to buy convenience food and junk food to feed their families.
How about taking 3-4 hours on Sunday afternoon to cook up more nutritious meals and freeze in portions to serve during the week? That’s what I used to do and I worked FT during the week. (With two people, this might only take 2-2.5 hrs.)
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, free will and self determination is limited by context.
Maybe corporations don’t want a healthy population. Where would the consumers of their product come from? not staying it’s a backroom conspiracy, but a confluence of established interests that is blocking progress.[/quote]I think the average Joe and Jane 6p are smart enough to realize that they don’t have to pay any attention to the Dunkin Donuts and Marlboro billboards so prevalent on the interstates in many states. And in the Mojave desert here in CA, we have multiple billboards urging (northbound I-15) motorists to try numerous “all you can eat” buffets when they arrive in your neck of the woods. Certainly, these motorists realize that they can just stop at Vons in LV and get a fresh yogurt and/or a mixed salad and a bag of apples if they didn’t bring any food from their SoCal homes with them. Especially if they will be just passing thru LV and intend to spend the night in UT :=0
I had a relative who lived in the LV area for ten years. I visited them 2-4 times per year and always drove straight to their house where their guest room was waiting for me. I never once set foot inside a casino in all my visits there. As such, I could easily live on the CA side of Lake Tahoe (SLT) and never set foot inside a casino. In fact, I can’t stand cigarette smoke blowing through the ceiling vents … even in “non-smoking” areas.
Participant[quote=spdrun]People would take preventive care if it’s mostly covered. No one wants to be fat, slow, and ill.[/quote]Believe it or not, some people actually don’t care. If you tell this group, “Those cigarettes (or your swollen legs and ankles) could kill you way before your time,” they’ll say, “Well, if it isn’t that, I could get hit by a Mack truck tomorrow. In the meantime, I’m going to enjoy myself.”
If this group doesn’t want to go to the doctor and wants to eat, smoke, drink and/or drug themselves to death, then fine. I no longer feel it is my responsibility to talk sense into them.
Yes, even if that person is a family member. ALL adults of sound mind and body (NOT legally disabled) need to be personally responsible for themselves.
Participant[quote=AN] . . . As for incandescent vs LED, that’s another horrible example. W/ incandescent, each bulb is a few cents while LED, each bulb is a couple of $. How long would you have to use those incandescent before it break event w/ LED? My outdoor light gets used maybe 1 hour a month on average. How long do you think it’ll take to break even? There nothing wrong w/ LED, but not everyone can afford it and it’s not the right solution in all situation.[/quote]Agree with this. I bought a bunch of incandescent bulbs on clearance before they wouldn’t be sold anymore (both indoor and outdoor). I’m glad I did, especially the (more expensive) outdoor floodlight bulbs which are controlled by sensors and indoor Halogen bulbs. The price I got them for was about 1/10th of the price of new LED bulbs. I don’t use that much lighting, usually only have lights on in one room at a time and am usually the household who conserved gas and electricity the most compared to my neighbors, according to SDG&E.
For my needs, some LED bulbs cost $8 each (or more).
The amount of savings in using LED bulbs (if any) over incandescent bulbs is entirely dependent on how much power the household or business uses.
Participant[quote=spdrun]Or they can walk faster than most of those modes of conveyence. SFMUNI is a nice model train set :)[/quote]I agree that sometimes it IS faster and easier to walk, depending on where you are and where you want to go :=0
Participant[quote=spdrun]Isn’t that what the Scroogle buses are for? So they don’t have to strain their weedle tootsie footsies?[/quote]Well, yeah, but the “Scroogle busses” pick up and drop off the masses of worker-bees in the flats (such as in SOMA). It is a commercial area and as such, hardly anyone lives there. The vast majority of 2-4 unit flats in that part of SF are uphill and many of these hills’ crest at over one mile from the bottom.
Those “Scroogle busses” (and any other employer sponsored bus) come across the SF Bay Bridge early in the am from picking up workers who gathered at various pickup points located in Alameda and Contra Costa Counties. When they arrive in SF, the buses just have 2-4 stops on main thoroughfares in the City and perhaps one in Stonestown or SSF and one in Daly City before heading on down to SV.
The SV worker residing in SF has to get to/from the bus stop themselves. The employer buses don’t have door-to-door service or anything close to that in SF unless the worker lives dtn (on/off Market St) in the flats in one of the newer high-rise complexes.
ParticipantI learned my “appropriate footwear for SF” lesson the hard way. When walking to catch public transportation to/from kid(s) homes high on a hill, always wear running shoes or Uggs, etc (something flat, with support).
Trying to “look good” wearing “fashionable” boots with “higher heels” on is not a good plan. They’re okay for walking around union square shopping and catching a streetcar and then boarding a bus up the hill but NOT okay for walking up and downhill in. They’re a recipe for a badly sprained (or even broken) ankle :=0
Participant[quote=spdrun]Or they can walk faster than most of those modes of conveyence. SFMUNI is a nice model train set :)[/quote]You better be in damn good shape to walk up and down some of SF’s lo-o-ng hills every day, especially rolling a couple of bags of groceries or carrying a heavy backpack. Of course, lots of people do but they are mostly college-age and Gen Y … lol.
It’s not uncommon for a SV worker to have to walk up and downhill up to one mile to and from the Caltrain stop from their (SF) home every workday.
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