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[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, Trump doesn’t want Hispanics to speak Spanish but his kids speak Eastern European languages Of course the southern child only speaks English.[/quote]Where the h@ll did you hear that from, FIH?

btw, Tiffany is not “southern.” She was born in NY and raised in CA. Her MOTHER is southern. There IS a distinction.

I’ve just arranged with two friends who are Trump Supporters (a “Latino female” …. arrrgh! and a “1/2 Latino female” …. who cares?) to get two tix apiece to the Trump Rally, scheduled for Friday, May 27 at 2:00 pm at the SD Convention Center. Should be fun for the six of us “ladies,” even though we might not be in the, ahem … “right demographic” to be supporting him, lol …! The Trump campaign is allowing two tix for each e-mail address. (no signs, tripods or SLR cameras permitted)

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule/register/san-diego-california

It’s time to get “real,” Piggs, and join in the festivities …. Hello out there? They’re coming soon to YOUR front lawn!

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Sounds like you’re saying credit goes most to the parents who lived with the children in the formative years, in this case the moms. So it’s not too much credit to the Donald

I find Marla and Tiffany more southern and less cosmopolitan than the other members of the family.[/quote]Marla took Tiffany back to GA (where she’s from) every summer for weeks at a time so her maternal “southern” relatives had a big influence on her. There’s nothing wrong with being a “southern belle” or a “southern gentleman.” They generally have good manners, dress and present themselves well and usually treat their own family members very well … especially if they made the effort to visit from out of state.

I realize you might be unfamiliar with that culture, FIH, but again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

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I just got a text that Hillary is having a rally at Hilltop HS in Chula Vista (my attendance area) on Friday of this week. I can’t verify that yet but upon further research of her events, her “partner in crime,” PRESIDENT Bill Clinton, is set to appear on her behalf at BVHS (also in the SUHSD) in Chula Vista on Saturday, May 21 at 10:30 a.m.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/view/4DFU273SAJT5P6RK/

I also noticed on her site that her campaign has many opportunities scheduled in the local area and region on the coming weeks to get out the vote for Hillary.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/search/?query=91910

As soon as I find out more about this “rumor” of Hillary coming into the county, I’ll post it here. In light of the posted “Bill appearance” just six miles away and one day later, it is entirely plausible.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, Marla Maples don’t seem as smart as Ivanna and Melania, who grew up in poor communist countries.

Tiffanie is not a pretty and polished as Ivanka who’s the smartest.. . . [/quote]Agree with both of these statements except that Tiffany is pretty in a different way than Ivanka but of course, not as polished. She is also at least 12 years younger than Ivanka so she has time to develop that polish. She presents very well for her age.

I agree that Maples is not as educated as Ivana and Melania in that she never attended college. However, that doesn’t make her a bad or incompetent mom. She’s still active in show biz and has other things going for her that the others don’t.

Ivana has a Master’s Degree in physical education from her home country, was an Olympic-calibur skier and studied English at McGill University in Montreal, acc to her Wiki page.

Melania dropped out of university in her home country after one year but is an accomplished international model and apparently speaks five languages, acc to her Wiki page.

All of them are very attractive, poised and accomplished women who obviously have been taking care of themselves over the years. There is something to be said for that.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, It’s boarding school and the Czech upbringing.

http://wapo.st/1quCBI7
[/quote]FIH, I just read your article posted on my “CA university” thread. Thanks for sharing! I have yet to order a book on the history of the Trumps (when Donald was growing up and before). Yes, his two (formerly “eastern bloc”) spouses were/are strict with their kid(s) and did NOT raise them with a “silver spoon” . . . that’s now plain for all to see. His 4th kid grew up undoubtedly surrounded by the same “pop culture” of the typical millenial growing up in SoCal … with an American mom, so she turned out a little different than his first 3 kids (not “wild,” per se, but different). However, she apparently looks up to her half-sister, Ivanka, for guidance, whose knowledge and demeanor seem to be rubbing off on her. Nonetheless, she looks, acts and dresses beautifully (while on her father’s campaign trail) and speaks intelligently to the MSM. It’s clear that her mother, a former “beauty queen” and “southern belle” must have taught her a few important things re: how to navigate the MSM, etc. I believe she will also be a success in life given the wonderful family network she has to envelop her as a young adult who is just starting out in life.

I’m going to have to take umbrage with the author’s quoting rags and unauthorized bios railing against Donald for “not spend enough time with his children.” Actually, he probably spent as much time as he could, considering the fact that he had 3-4 kids at the time to send to private school and college. Somebody had to work for a living if the other parent was at home, holding down the fort and that was the agreement between the parents (while married). Each of them had an agreed-upon important (but different) role in raising their children.

IIRC, Donald’s first spouse, Ivana, worked her a$$ off FT for more than a decade managing their various projects in NY and NJ. She deserves everything she got in her divorce settlement. Their kids’ statements from the rags the author is quoting, such as, “choosing not to see their dad” after he remarried (or choosing not to attend his wedding) were very likely perpetuated by the mom and maternal grandmother’s manipulation of them. This type of psychological manipulation of children (temporary or permanent) has a name. It is called parental-alienation syndrome or “PAS.” It is common among children of divorcing parents and is usually perpetuated by the parent who feels they were “wronged” by the other parent. PAS is very real and very damaging to children and its effects can last a lifetime, depriving the other parent of the love (or even contact with) his/her children well into adulthood and even forever (if they were lied to consistently and successfully enough by the other parent). I note that Donald’s kids have (fortunately) outgrown it and the boys attending private boarding schools for JH/HS probably helped them grow up . . . . a lot (well out of parental influence and strife). That’s how Donald grew up as well and it was a good choice for him and well as his sons.

We all know that nothing is “free” in life, including sending five kids to private school and college which probably cost the Donald a bundle … exclusive of paying out settlements, divvying up extremely valuable RE and possibly paying child support as well. If he wanted/needed to continue to make the kind of income (and civic impact) he had been making in the business world, he had no choice but to give up physical custody of his kids to their moms for the stability of their home life … and he did the right thing by doing so, IMO, in spite of the fact that his first 3 kids were obviously somewhat “manipulated” by their mom and grandmother when they were pre-teens. He’s now almost 70 years old and is still not anywhere near done raising children (HIS choice …. no “gold-digger jabs,” please). At the end of the day, he paid it all and couldn’t be 2-3 places at once while doing so I don’t understand why the author of this article didn’t give him a break on this issue, especially since one of his kids lived ~3000 miles away. We all know that kids cost a lot of $$ and the more one has, the more they cost.

I note that BOTH of Donald’s “exes” are currently publicly supporting his candidacy. Go figure.

Regardless of all his bluster and campaign rhetoric so far, I believe Donald is truly a good person and always tried to do the right thing by his family members, however difficult that was for him … whether HE was personally “at fault” …. or not. I think he is a natural leader and an “expert people-handler” and thus, would make a great president.

If we want to compare all those “Trump half-stories” now streaming out of the MSM to the lo-o-o-ng record of the “Hill/Bill tag team” who will ostensibly be running for the ticket on the Dem side (yes, if Hill is elected Prez, we will have a “pkg deal” for a president, which includes the likes of our “old friend,” Bill at front and center of the melee :=0), then we don’t have to look too far to find the Clinton’s embroiled in scandalous business dealings whilst rolling in the sheets with spurious partners (both literally and figuratively), numerous examples of their unmitigated greed (both overt and covert) as well as gross incompetence (in Hill’s SoS post). And this is coming from a longtime DEM with an even longer memory :=0

Choose wisely in this very important election year, folks.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, It’s boarding school and the Czech upbringing.

http://wapo.st/1quCBI7
[/quote]

Replied to here:

http://piggington.com/reasons_i_cannot_vote_trump

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[quote=The-Shoveler]Passion?

Don’t know, If you live in San Jose, or most of Socal, a CS degree (or even a Cert) and hard work you can make a decent living.

Find something you think does not totally suck and you could see yourself doing 5-6 days a weeks for the next 20-30 years and is paying a decent living for the foreseeable future.[/quote]

Totally agree with this. Everyone has to eat and pay the bills.

[quote=The-Shoveler]Else open your own biz.[/quote]”Hanging your shingle” a good option for someone who possesses a professional license (i.e. CPA, physician, attorney, RE Broker, etc) AND has many years (15-20) experience in their fields (plus all the “professional contacts” which go along with that tenure). “Self-employment” is a fool’s game for the vast majority of early-career worker bees.

[quote=The-Shoveler]You can chase your passion on the weekend.[/quote]Exactly!

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[quote=scaredyclassic]Parents paid undergrad. Could’ve gone to a,state school for free though. My parents wanted the most prestigious for me, I want the best value for my kids.

Law school loans still out there. Student Loans are very scary and dangerous….[/quote]scaredy, it really seems to me like you should have qualified for “Public Service (partial) Loan Forgiveness” for one or more of your student loans at some point … that is, if any of them are Federal Direct Student Loans, they aren’t too old and you’ve been making regular payments on them over the years.

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public-service#qualifying-employment

No one has a harder and more “needed by society” (white collar) job than you do, imho. If some in “society” don’t feel they need people in your position, its due to their own profound ignorance. I worked in the “system” as well and never took such comments personally.

You could have joined a civil firm right after passing the bar exam, brought in client(s), chocked up billable hours ad nauseam and could have likely been made partner by now … a far more lucrative proposition than the “dedicated foot soldier” path you chose. For that reason alone, I feel you deserve whatever “loan forgiveness” you can qualify for, if at all possible.

Yeah, I wanted/want the “best value” for my kid(s) as well. We are fortunate here in Cali that our public university systems are the best and still fairly reasonably priced, in spite of all the fee hikes in recent years!

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[quote=njtosd][quote=bearishgurl]

I have a question for you, though. Did you ever get your student loans paid off? And if so, at what age were you when you finally paid them off?[/quote]

BG – here’s what I don’t get. We’re all about the same age. My brother in law went to a big 10 school, did great and worked a combination of three jobs to pay for college. Never took a loan and got a great job. When we were in school it was cheaper and many people worked their way through school. Heck, there’s a girl who paid for UVA as an out of state student (final cost was about 40,000 a year after scholarships) selling jewelry on Etsy. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/247609

I think your fixation on loans and such, especially for those our age who didn’t have very high tuition costs (and lived in a house with 13 other people 😉 is a little off. I know a lot of people who’s parents didn’t pay for school but didn’t end up with much (or any) student debt.

People need to be willing to work harder than they are. One of my coworkers was saddled with loans, some of which had been used for his weekly massages. I never got massages in college. . . . but I did get help from my parents.[/quote]Oh, I agree. My siblings had/have college degrees, even a Masters but worked their own way thru school (back in the ’70’s).

The problem, nj, is that just to get a teaching credential in CA (1 yr) in combination with a Masters in Education (1 yr) now costs $15-$16K per yr. That’s ~$32K for the whole program (which a teaching candidate really needs to have the necessary expert feedback, coaching, mentoring and reccos for a demanding public school job today), directly out of those (UCLA) programs I posted here today. This cost is over and above the undergrad work already undertaken.

The CA UC/CSU/CC started out with “free” tuition for CA residents (plus campus fees and books) back in my day and climbed up to what it is today. The CSU tuition and fees for a FT student totaled about $168 semester in 1980 for CA residents (plus parking and books).

I DO agree that student loan funds have been mishandled by the masses (as you said, massages, and I will add regular mani/pedis and $150++ hair salon visits as well as trendy clothing and party/entertainment funds). A lot of former students are currently paying 6.5%+ interest on all the stuff they spent their SL funds on in college.

Student loans did not even exist for me when I was college age. If they did, I’m sure I wouldn’t have taken any out because I was risk averse to anything which would curtail my freedom back then (and still am to some extent today).

scaredy just posted that he enrolled in law school (as you know, much more expensive than undergrad) at least 7 years after graduating from college. He’s posted before on this forum that he took out student loans to fund his way thru law school. I’m just asking him here how many years out of his working life it took him to pay them back. The length of time it took is neither good nor bad. Everyone has their own journey in life and makes their own choices as to how they want to lead it and in what order they want their milestones to occur. I’ve known dozens of lawyers who were still paying on law-school loans in their late 40’s … yes, even with several minor children at home. And they were “successful” in their careers.

I personally think student loans are evil and hamper a former student’s ability to actually move on with their lives after graduation. Especially if they didn’t even graduate. If they are large (over $100K), the debt tends to cripple the individual financially and ruin their credit if they take too much time off without making regular payments on them … all the while “life” is happening to them.

I would have rather made less money working FT as a HS or CC graduate than have to face a mountain of student loan debt in adulthood and that’s what I did but that’s just me. At least I got a jump start on working FT while a portion of my “brethren” was in college … and sometimes graduate school. I bought a new car at the age of 21 and paid it off in 2 years. I bought my first house at the age of 22. I now have a pension to show for all my efforts.

Those days are long gone, now, of course, but a college student at a 4-year university is essentially putting their adult life “on hold” for 4+ years while they attempt to earn a bachelor degree which seems to be a necessity today just to land a similar job to what we did right out of HS or CC.

Yes, people CAN work harder (my youngest, a FT college student, often works too many hours in my opinion). But at $10 per hour today, they’re not getting very far. They couldn’t possibly pay their tuition, campus fees and exorbitant books and still put gas in their vehicle and pay Greek dues and all the other minor incidentals that go with being a FT student and member of a Greek organization.

My kids never took out student loans and never will. They got help from parents for room/board, iphone bill, auto insurance, health insurance, a tuition waiver and scholarship $$ to cover the rest (campus fees and books) as long as they carried 12 units. Their tuition waiver only covers a portion of summer term … not all. Summer tuition and fees run $1000 and up WITH the fee waiver.

My youngest, of course, is being charged the most due to tuition and fee hikes in recent years. Tuition now costs nearly $7K to attend FT year round (all waived) per year at a CSU (more or less, depending on campus). Campus fees are $1800 to $2000 year. Books are ~$1000 year, even if some are purchased used. Room and board costs between $10,200 and $10,500 per year (4 students to a living unit) but their school is NOT located in a pricier coastal area.

A CA 4-year public university is still doable for a middle/moderate income family (we have a higher income) but I’m really grateful that we’re almost done. We’re both old and teetering on the verge of retirement. Time to call it a day and get the last kid “off the payroll,” as carli so eloquently put it :=0

Everything is so exponentially costlier today and minimum wage has not even begun to keep up. So I don’t think a kid could “work themselves thru” a public 4-year CA university today unless they had a tuition waiver on file AND made $15-20 hr for 20-24 hrs per week. And in So Cal, that is next to impossible to do.

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[quote=scaredyclassic]I bounced around for 7 years after college before law school. Did all kinds of work, and no work. Travelled a lot. Was homeless [well a couchsurfer] a while (wish I’d been a semi hobo even longer). Never earned more than 12k a year.

Was worthwhile in many ways but in particular I think it has made me a better middle aged dude in that I do not have wanderlust. I see a lot of discontented guys my age wanting to roam. I did that upfront. I couldn’t have stayed married if I’d gotten hitched earlier too.

I’d say it’s too early to call ones kids successful till I see how they’re doing at age 40 or so, how their relationships are, how they relate to their kids. I probably looked like a total flop all around to my dad at age 29, but by 53, in my opinion, I’m doing good.

Yet, there’s no way I could be where I am mentally now if I’d gotten into the rat race right after college.

As Kurt vonnegut said,

Sometimes you have to go a very long way out of your way to go a short way correctly,

OR something like that.[/quote]Good to hear, scaredy, and I truly mean that. I KNOW you have a challenging and meaningful career and that it is entirely necessary to make the world go round.

I have a question for you, though. Did you ever get your student loans paid off? And if so, at what age were you when you finally paid them off?

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[quote=carli]Flyer, I’m not sure what you mean by you’ve encouraged your kids to develop their passion and discover a clear path to their goals. That’s what all supportive parents do. But it’s a stretch to imply that the way to ensure happiness is to have a clear direction upon college graduation. Also depends on what your definition of “lost” is…a kid who graduates from college without having a specific career in mind may not feel lost but rather open to exciting options. It’s all in the perspective. There’s no question that someone probably won’t be happy or successful by forever wandering aimlessly through life, but that’s not what we’re talking about.

Not taking anything away from you or your kids, who have all apparently discovered their passions early on, but there are way more examples of uber successful (and presumably happy) people who either stumbled upon something or tried various paths until they found their exact passion or direction as they went along.

This discussion reminds me of the question of which is better, a broad liberal arts education or a more purpose-driven STEM education? It could be argued either way and there is value in each. Both can produce extremely happy and successful people in any field. There’s not a one-size-fits-all formula, and it puzzles me when people insist that the path they’ve taken to success and happiness is the path everyone should take.[/quote]I believe in the broad liberal arts curriculum. I actually tried to convince my kids to apply to a 4-year state college (OOS) which offered that (along with several very highly-accredited business programs). ALL of them could have gotten a full ride there for four years making my cost just <$200 month for 1/2 utilities for an on-campus apt (for 2 students) plus food. But they all declined. They wanted to stay in Cali and work in Cali after graduation (getting jobs by way of networking) and that's what they did/are doing. They didn't want to live where it snowed. If I had a do-over in life, I would get a liberal arts education (but likely major in a business discipline). I really like rural campuses, esp Humboldt State University and UC Santa Cruz. I also love the atmosphere around Cal (Berkeley). I think the degree you have, Carli (English) is more valuable on the job market than Sociology (by itself). But like you said, your son is smart and will eventually find his way. I just fear the cost of living in CA coastal counties (mainly rent) is going to crush millenials (if it hasn't already), especially those who do not have enough education (or the "right" education) to land a decent, full-time job with a living wage and benefits. So if this group wants to remain here for the long haul after graduation, they had best get their sh!t together ASAP after graduation, and, by hook or crook, obtain one of the available local "living-wage positions" and start to work. That's what most graduates of LA area/Bay area public universities do. They typically don't move that far away from campus for their first jobs and may not even move from the (off-campus) housing they lived in while attending college. And they seldom seem to return "home" after graduation (unless it is from LA to the bay area or vice versa). I think it's much harder in SD County to land a first FT job (with benefits) after graduating from university. SD County is somewhere a college graduate would aspire to transfer into LONG AFTER they begin their career (5-15 years later) in another locale.

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[quote=flyer]Daniel Kahneman, Nobel Prize winner and author of Thinking, Fast and Slow, posits that “Happiness is being happy in your life, and life satisfaction is being happy about your life.”

He, and many others in the know, consistently mention that, having goals and direction in life is essential for life satisfaction, and that is what seems to be so clearly lacking for many young people we’ve known who seem rather lost after graduating from college.

Like many parents, although we could have handed our kids everything, we encouraged them to develop not only their passions, but also helped them discover a clear path to their goals.
(Example–Both of Larry Ellison’s kids have great careers, in fact, my wife has worked on film projects with his daughter, who is a producer.)

We also encouraged them to work on their lives as if they had no safety net to fall back on, and I think that cultivating all of these elements made a huge difference in the level of success/satisfaction/happiness they experienced right out of college.

Everyone is different, but the proof for us has come in the form of how well our kids lives turned out, so we’re very grateful our plan seems to have worked.[/quote]Agree, flyer. I look at Trump’s kids (yeah, all five of them) and have heard all the bad press re: his former and current spouses being “gold-diggers” and all the “philandering stories” about Trump, ad nauseam. But at the end of the day, those parents (all four of them), must have done something right. Their kids have had every opportunity in life to easily be able to:

get kicked out of HS/Prep School for misconduct;

flunk out of college;

get repeatedly arrested for DUI (like other socialites and celebs we all know);

get busted for possession of liquor as well as “open container” as minors (Bush twins);

party heartily constantly in public watering holes and enter and exit vehicles with short skirts and no underwear on, with the paps following in close proximity;

show off (under the influence?) by running into stop signs and up on urban sidewalks with their Hummers;

taking a revolving door in and out of detox and rehab clinics and “resorts” (to numerous to mention here); and,

show up even at the grocery store with see-thru outfits on and breasts hanging out everywhere to gain attention, again with the paps tailing them, etc.

NONE of the Trump kids are like that. They ALL dress respectfully and act respectful and gracious in public. And all three ADULTS WORK FT in the family biz (and in their own biz pursuits, as well) and ALWAYS HAVE since graduating from college! (The fourth one just graduated from college a couple of days ago and will undoubtedly be put to work soon.) The young boy does not go out in public without a suit on, listens to his mother, has wonderful manners and and does not act up to get attention. Together, they look and act like an exemplary and supportive family to the patriarch, demonstrating behavior befitting of White House occupants (although most of them will not live there). They can all talk it, walk it and groom it on schedule and with ease.

If Trump gets elected, he has the built-in “royal family extraordinaire,” who set a great example for their generations. Even though fabulously wealthy and raised in opulence, NONE of them present as the lazy, indulgent type who grew up with a “silver-spoon.”

Say what you will about Trump and his exes but the results standing in front of us all speak for themselves.

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[quote=carli]Funny that everyone is assuming he’ll do something related to his degree. I was an English major, and the furthest thing from my mind was becoming a teacher. I realize times have changed but industries are not so specific these days that there won’t be room for a go-getter with a sociology degree to make a way for himself in many different areas.

Also, BG, although he may end up in SoCal someday, I don’t think his priority is to make a life for himself around here. It’s to go out and experience the world. I spent most of my career (and his childhood) in NYC, as an English major with a lucrative career in executive sales management, and who knows, he could end up following a similar path, even with a sociology degree.[/quote]I just saw the “social justice platform” of UCLA’s “Center X” and thought it would appeal to him. I checked and it IS expensive (~32K for 2 years, incl course mat’ls). However, even if someone had to borrow the $32K to complete the program, they could take out a Federal Direct Student Loan or Stafford Loan because they would most certainly be able to get a local teaching gig from this prestigious program, possibly even at the school they did their student-teaching at. I didn’t realize that LAUSD had many non-certified and/or non-credentialed teachers (due to lack of credentialed applicants?) and were hurting for credentialed teachers. Once ensconced in a permanent teaching job in the fall after graduation, the new teacher’s student loan payments would begin. They could then immediately apply for (and receive) an affordable payment in the “Teacher Loan Forgiveness Program.”

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/teacher#teacher-loan-forgiveness

The new teacher would need to make those monthly payments on time for just ten years (120 payments) and the balance their Federal student loan(s) (of up to $17,500) would be forgiven, due to accepting and working in a K-12 teaching position.

If the new teacher decides to accept a teaching position in a public school with a mostly “underserved” population and/or teaches certain needed subjects, they can be eligible for a SL payment deferment AND an eventual full cancellation (100%) in just five years of a Federal Perkins Loan taken out to obtain their credential!

What amount can be canceled?

If you are eligible for cancellation under any of the categories listed above, up to 100 percent of the loan may be canceled for teaching service, in the following increments:

15 percent canceled per year for the first and second years of service
20 percent canceled for the third and fourth years
30 percent canceled for the fifth year

Each amount canceled per year includes the interest that accrued during the year.

(emphasis mine)

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/teacher#teacher-cancellation

I can see why so many CA teaching-credential candidates are trying to get thru the program in 12-18 months at National University, Pt Loma Nazarene and some of the other private credentialing institutions. They are expensive but the candidate earns one class per month and is placed in a student-teacher gig after their first 12 mos in the program. These teacher-candidates, even if low income, can borrow the money and be guaranteed a low, manageable repayment plan for ten years, with the balance forgiven. My kids’ Elem and HS District hired SEVERAL teachers for my kids’ public schools from Nat’l University’s credentialing program who student taught at my kids’ schools. Some of them were themselves graduates of a HS in the District or even the same school as they student-taught in!

UCLA’s public school teaching program looks very interesting. I like the platform. If we could just get rid of “common core” (not in place when my own kids were in school) and replace it with methods that “fit” the particular student population (as it always was and should be), teachers and schools would be a lot more successful with student outcomes, IMO.

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Well, carli, he could also parlay his sociology degree into teaching, which could also later afford him tenure, which is an ultra-secure way to move thru life in pricey coastal CA, imho. He could work his on-campus job and go thru a teacher credentialing program at the same time while he is still there (as well as get set up in a local student-teaching gig). I may be wrong on this but I believe the CA 7-12 teaching credential is also good for CC instructor jobs. It takes two years to complete.

UCLA Teacher Education Program

Two-Year Graduate Program – UCLA Teacher Education Program

Thousands of graduates in one of my kids’ HUGE graduating class at SFSU immediately went on to obtain their Master’s Degrees after graduation (at the same institution), mostly in teaching and CA credentialing. CA’s teacher/instructor crop is aging and those numbers are far greater than the numbers of (credentialed) replacements coming thru the system (esp at the secondary and postsecondary levels).

Just an FYI, FWIW :=0

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[quote=carli]I keep hearing about Duckworth’s “Grit” book and it seems the term itself is the word du jour. I read the same review in the Times a couple weeks ago and thought about buying it but didn’t, partly because there were a few criticisms mentioned in the NYT review that turned me off. For example, the reviewer says “Duckworth never questions the values of a society geared towards winning” so if the author is only going to give a bunch of examples of people who have grit and pull themselves up by their bootstraps, that’s awesome and could be a fun and inspiring read, and it might be something I’d flip through, but I’m more interested in the deeper discussion. I’m not dismissing grit as a concept or important character trait but I just don’t care to read another Ted talk book.

And, yes, no doubt the Peace Corps is an achievement. Talk about competition – it’s tough these days to be accepted, probably because the job market was so tight in recent years that the Peace Corps became even more attractive for new graduates. I have no idea if my son will be accepted to a program and country of interest as the application/interview/placement process can take two years. And FIH thanks for your stamp of approval on his sociology major. 😉 I have no idea if he will ever use it specifically in a career, nor does he, as he has not developed a passion yet. It’s gravy if a kid has a specific career intention after school, but most don’t, and that’s fine by us. I have no doubt he’ll be successful and look forward to watching his journey. Good news is he has already demonstrated plenty of grit (yes, even in high school and the college admissions process!) so he’ll be fine.[/quote]carli, I believe your soon-to-be graduate is smart but most college graduates today can’t afford the luxury to continue to search for their “passion” after college graduation. They have to start paying rent and other bills and even start paying on (often HUGE) student loans within six months of graduating! They can’t bother with applying to the Peace Corps (however noble that might seem) cuz they need to start making an actual living wage ASAP, preferably yesterday. As you stated earlier on this thread, your spouse recently opined that your soon-to-be graduate is now “off the (family?) payroll.” (You have more kids coming down the pike who will likely apply for university.)

Had your soon-to-be graduate elected to major in social work instead of sociology, he could have immediately gone to work in any county in CA as an aid worker (TANF/SNAP), Medi-Cal worker or APS/CPS worker for the giant CDHS and their subsidiaries (the behemoth HHSA in 58 counties). These agencies always have openings. Yes, he would have only started out making $45-$50K, but that is actually a living wage in many CA counties. In addition, he would have received leave benefits upon employment, all other benefits within one month of employment, a clear career path laid out before him and become vested in a DBP after five years of service. Most agencies also offer educational benefits, which would have nearly paid for him to earn his MSW in the evenings.

Of course, I’m not saying here that a social work career would have been right for your son as I don’t know him. But it is a much more “practical” degree than sociology (sans a teaching credential).

A new university graduate has to get their foot in the door somewhere to begin their careers. It doesn’t matter much at this point in their lives if they feel they will be “passionate” about their first jobs … or not. They need to start acting like adults and taking responsibility for themselves (and their student loan(s), if they have any). If they take another year+ to “find themselves” after college, their more savvy (and hungry) “brethren” will have snapped up all the entry-level FT jobs around their CA campus using their freshly-minted diplomas and academic-advisor reccos as “street cred.” The early bird gets the worm. I never had to insist that my kid(s) get FT jobs right out of college. They already had one lined up before graduation without any input from their parents.

The vast majority of boomers took FT work right out of HS/college which many millenials today would consider “slogging” and beneath them. Or, in the alternative, boomers immediately joined (or were drafted into) the military right out of HS/college. Yes, even the ones who had college degrees :=0

Our generation valued independence from parents ASAP and needed/wanted to support ourselves (with a spouse often in tow) straight out of the gate. Fortunately, for us, getting out on our own was a bit more doable (financially) then than it is now.

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