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Participant[quote=briansd1]
More generally, it’s clear that Republicans would never, ever, win presidential elections without the low-income Whites in the Red States. That’s why George Bush won the electoral votes and became President, whereas Al Gore got the popular vote but lost.Those last two items are facts hard to deny.[/quote]
That’s like saying, Democrats would never ever win presidential elections with the low-income Hispanic and Black votes. Obama win 96% of the Black vote and 67% of the Hispanic vote. If Hispanic and Black votes were more statistically evenly divided, and more in line with Americans in general…Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.[/quote]
sometimes selected presentation of facts is even worse than no facts at all. why focus on the Jews and Asians? why not focus on the fact that Hispanics and Blacks, both groups are poor, overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
are we trying to say low income Hispanic and Black are more enlightened than low income white?[/quote]
According to Brian, the answer would yes. It’s the stupid poor Vietnamese American and White American that don’t know what’s good for them.Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.[/quote]
sometimes selected presentation of facts is even worse than no facts at all. why focus on the Jews and Asians? why not focus on the fact that Hispanics and Blacks, both groups are poor, overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
are we trying to say low income Hispanic and Black are more enlightened than low income white?[/quote]
According to Brian, the answer would yes. It’s the stupid poor Vietnamese American and White American that don’t know what’s good for them.Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.[/quote]
sometimes selected presentation of facts is even worse than no facts at all. why focus on the Jews and Asians? why not focus on the fact that Hispanics and Blacks, both groups are poor, overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
are we trying to say low income Hispanic and Black are more enlightened than low income white?[/quote]
According to Brian, the answer would yes. It’s the stupid poor Vietnamese American and White American that don’t know what’s good for them.Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.[/quote]
sometimes selected presentation of facts is even worse than no facts at all. why focus on the Jews and Asians? why not focus on the fact that Hispanics and Blacks, both groups are poor, overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
are we trying to say low income Hispanic and Black are more enlightened than low income white?[/quote]
According to Brian, the answer would yes. It’s the stupid poor Vietnamese American and White American that don’t know what’s good for them.Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.[/quote]
sometimes selected presentation of facts is even worse than no facts at all. why focus on the Jews and Asians? why not focus on the fact that Hispanics and Blacks, both groups are poor, overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
are we trying to say low income Hispanic and Black are more enlightened than low income white?[/quote]
According to Brian, the answer would yes. It’s the stupid poor Vietnamese American and White American that don’t know what’s good for them.Participant[quote=CA renter]
No, definitely not. In education, the public school districts are much more likely to have higher standards, and higher pay. A lot of teachers work at private schools just to get the experience needed/desired to be hired by a public school.Agree with your sentiments regarding this story, flu. It’s sad, because a good math teacher who can really motivate students should be able to make a very comfortable living, IMHO.[/quote]
Agree, good teachers should get paid more comparable with other profession in total compensation. However, the bad teachers should get fired more easily, just like every other profession in the private sector. Not all teachers are good. We should reward the top performers and punish the poor performer. Not make their salary similar. Then what incentive is there to be the top performer?10 years experienced teacher should be making around $120k. Just like a 10 years experienced Engineer with a Master degree. But at the same time, such teacher shouldn’t have pension or tenure either, just like a comparable Engineer.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
No, definitely not. In education, the public school districts are much more likely to have higher standards, and higher pay. A lot of teachers work at private schools just to get the experience needed/desired to be hired by a public school.Agree with your sentiments regarding this story, flu. It’s sad, because a good math teacher who can really motivate students should be able to make a very comfortable living, IMHO.[/quote]
Agree, good teachers should get paid more comparable with other profession in total compensation. However, the bad teachers should get fired more easily, just like every other profession in the private sector. Not all teachers are good. We should reward the top performers and punish the poor performer. Not make their salary similar. Then what incentive is there to be the top performer?10 years experienced teacher should be making around $120k. Just like a 10 years experienced Engineer with a Master degree. But at the same time, such teacher shouldn’t have pension or tenure either, just like a comparable Engineer.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
No, definitely not. In education, the public school districts are much more likely to have higher standards, and higher pay. A lot of teachers work at private schools just to get the experience needed/desired to be hired by a public school.Agree with your sentiments regarding this story, flu. It’s sad, because a good math teacher who can really motivate students should be able to make a very comfortable living, IMHO.[/quote]
Agree, good teachers should get paid more comparable with other profession in total compensation. However, the bad teachers should get fired more easily, just like every other profession in the private sector. Not all teachers are good. We should reward the top performers and punish the poor performer. Not make their salary similar. Then what incentive is there to be the top performer?10 years experienced teacher should be making around $120k. Just like a 10 years experienced Engineer with a Master degree. But at the same time, such teacher shouldn’t have pension or tenure either, just like a comparable Engineer.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
No, definitely not. In education, the public school districts are much more likely to have higher standards, and higher pay. A lot of teachers work at private schools just to get the experience needed/desired to be hired by a public school.Agree with your sentiments regarding this story, flu. It’s sad, because a good math teacher who can really motivate students should be able to make a very comfortable living, IMHO.[/quote]
Agree, good teachers should get paid more comparable with other profession in total compensation. However, the bad teachers should get fired more easily, just like every other profession in the private sector. Not all teachers are good. We should reward the top performers and punish the poor performer. Not make their salary similar. Then what incentive is there to be the top performer?10 years experienced teacher should be making around $120k. Just like a 10 years experienced Engineer with a Master degree. But at the same time, such teacher shouldn’t have pension or tenure either, just like a comparable Engineer.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
No, definitely not. In education, the public school districts are much more likely to have higher standards, and higher pay. A lot of teachers work at private schools just to get the experience needed/desired to be hired by a public school.Agree with your sentiments regarding this story, flu. It’s sad, because a good math teacher who can really motivate students should be able to make a very comfortable living, IMHO.[/quote]
Agree, good teachers should get paid more comparable with other profession in total compensation. However, the bad teachers should get fired more easily, just like every other profession in the private sector. Not all teachers are good. We should reward the top performers and punish the poor performer. Not make their salary similar. Then what incentive is there to be the top performer?10 years experienced teacher should be making around $120k. Just like a 10 years experienced Engineer with a Master degree. But at the same time, such teacher shouldn’t have pension or tenure either, just like a comparable Engineer.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Everything I wrote here is facts, not opinions; and I provided data to support my statements.[/quote]
I’d say, you’re light on facts and heavy on opinions. You tried to paint the picture than poor people vote republicans and rich people vote democrats.Here are some data to disput your claim. San Diego political map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_County,_California
Go to the politics section. Although San Diego turned blue in 2008, the districts w/ higher median household income and per capita income voted Republicans while the Districts with lower income voted Democrats.According to the Orange County Registrar of Voters, as of July 21, 2009, Orange County had 1,599,889 registered voters. Of these, 43.6% (698,140) are registered Republicans, and 32.1% (512,853) are registered Democrats. An additional 20.2% (324,669) declined to state a political party.
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