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[quote=CA renter]Welcome to reality. This is the case for almost everything. Rich people get to eat better food, get better healthcare, get better deals and discounts (even though they’re the ones who need them least), take longer and better vacations, drive nicer cars, live in nicer houses, wear nicer clothing, etc. Rich people get to send their kids to more prestigious universities where their kids will make better connections with which they can improve their lot and the well-being of following generations. It’s not fair, but it’s reality. Gosh, AN, are you suggesting that we make sure we give every the same quality and quantity of goods and services, no matter who pays for them? Sounds like communism to me. 😉

And, in general, while rich people pay a much lower percentage of their income/wealth on taxes, they DO pay higher property taxes which is what funds the bulk of K-12 public education.

I know homeschoolers who are some of the poorest people around; but they believe that education is a priority, so they make tremendous sacrifices in order to give their kids a good education. Homeschooling is NOT just for the rich. Also, many religious private schools offer discounts. In California, we are very fortunate to have a wide array of choices…for all people. We have far more choices in education than we do in a lot of other things.[/quote]Of course it’s a reality with the strength of the teacher’s union in CA. We’re gonna be stuck w/ the status quo for a very long time. I don’t expect anything to change. Just pointing out your lies of the freedom and choices that you think we have. I’m the one who’s fully aware of the reality. You’re the one who seems to not see it.

I want our tax dollar to go further and do a better job at educating our kids, regardless of socio-economic status. To some, healthcare is important for all, to me, education is important for all. We are paying much more per child for public education than most of the private schools (in San Diego). I don’t think we’re getting our money’s worth and I want the parents to have all the choices they want to best educate their kids. You seem to be satisfied with the status quo, I’m fully aware of that. But that’s definitely not be.

Rich people pay a much lower percentage of their income/wealth on property taxes as well. But you seem to left out that point when it comes to property taxes compare to their income taxes. Why?

As to those poor home schoolers you know, that’s great. But why do other people who don’t want to or can’t afford to live on 1 income have the same choice of giving their kids a better education? It great that you think home schooling is great. I don’t. But that’s JMHO. Sorry but CA don’t have very much choices, AFAIK.

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[quote=6packscaredy]Money brings choices.[/quote]
yep, status quo.

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[quote=CA renter]You have an incredible amount of freedom where education is concerned, but you don’t have that freedom at the taxpayer’s expense. We ALL pay taxes for things we don’t like and/or don’t use. That is the price we ALL pay for living in a civilized democracy.

We homeschool and get NO public funding, subsidies, or support of any kind (some can get public funding if they HS through a public school or publicly-funded private charter). I’m willing to bet that we pay some of the highest property taxes (the primary funding source for public schools) in the county, relatively speaking. We’re not asking for “our” money back, in the same way that the senior citizens or childless people can’t ask for their prop tax money to be returned. And people who never use parks or libraries, etc. don’t get to ask for their tax money to be returned, either.

California has some of the most liberal laws WRT schooling and/or homeschooling. You can pretty much do whatever you want. You can replicate the LJCD education at home, if you wish. You can hire private tutors, or take your kids around the world, or do pretty much whatever you want. Can you do it on the taxpayer dime? No, but why should you be able to do so? Your taxes entitle your (and everyone else’s) children to an education at a public school. That’s all you’re entitled to; nothing more. Whatever you want to do in addition to that, or outside of that, is on your dime.[/quote]Thanks for proving my point that there is very little choice in our current system. You fail to see that the freedom you’re talking about is strictly reserved for the rich. The dual income middle class and below do not have the same freedom you described.

I’ve never said anything about getting my tax dollar back. I just want every kid to have the same opportunity whether you’re rich or poor. Which is why I take huge offense to your claim that we all have a lot of choices and freedom. It’s easier for those who are rich to say that we do, because they can afford those freedom.

As for California school, again, we CANNOT do whatever we want. Only the rich can do whatever they want because they can afford it. Those who are not rich, well, you’re SOL.

The key objection from me is your statement that we all have a lot of choice and not that I want my tax dollar back. FYI, I’m fully aware of the status quo and I’ve accepted that. That doesn’t mean I have to accept the lies that all parents have a lot of choice in where to send their kids to school.

I want my tax dollar to educate all the kids with the best school, be it private or public. I want all kids to have that opportunity, not just the rich. I’m not asking for higher taxes to do it. I just want parents to have the choice, and not be stuck with no choice due to their economic status.

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[quote=njtosd]Why would you get all the money the government would spend on your kids? You have contributed only a portion of that money. The few thousand dollars that you contributed wouldn’t get you very far – maybe 10% of a LJCD educution. The other contributors should have as much a right as you to send their money where they see fit.[/quote]You should seriously reread my post and CAR’s post that I was responding to again. Just in case you still don’t see it after rereading, I’ll point it out to you. CAR’s statement was that parents do have choice, and I call BS. Maybe some might be fine with the status quo faux choice. I wouldn’t call that much of a choice. I’m fully aware of the status quo and I don’t expect any change to happen, at least not in CA. I just like to point out the faux choice that some love point out.

What make you think the other contributors would want to lock the kids into worse schools. I bet you that if you take a poll today and ask if kids should be sent to LJCD school or Hoover HS, I’m pretty sure the overwhelming majority would say LJCD. Why wouldn’t anyone want the kids of next generation to have the absolute best education possible?

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[quote=CA renter]Parents do have real choice, paramount. You are free to educate your children in any way you choose. You can even make them wear purple bunny suits and have them recite Pink Floyd songs over and over again if you’d like. You can teach them about God, Allah, the Master of the Universe, or Nothing, if you’d like. But you can’t do it on the taxpayer’s dime.[/quote]oh really… so, can I take the $ the government would spend on my kids in public school and use it to pay for part of the tuition at La Jolla Country Day/Bishops/etc? Or how about using that money to send my kids to the many other private schools that doesn’t have any religious affiliation?

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[quote=flu][quote=AN]DOW’s up 1.14%, NASDAQ’s up 0.43%, and S&P’s up 0.99%. I’ll take that. Now, lets see if it can continue through the rest of the year at this rate :-D.[/quote]

You mean Dow up 1.84% and Nasdaq up 1.15% and S&P500 up 1.46%….

:)[/quote]Or better yet, UDOW up 4.91%, UPRO up 5.19%, and TQQQ up 3.45%. 😀

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DOW’s up 1.14%, NASDAQ’s up 0.43%, and S&P’s up 0.99%. I’ll take that. Now, lets see if it can continue through the rest of the year at this rate :-D.

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[quote=CA renter]To be sure, those who contribute greatly to medical science should be compensated well…but how much is too much? At what point does the right of a company to profit (and the executives and investors there) trump the right of a human being to live?

All too often, it’s not the individual researchers who make most of the money on these things. If they work for a company, it’s the company and the investors who make the bulk of the money.[/quote]I’d say definitely more than AAPL as a company and more than Bill Gates as the father of the cure is a good start.

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[quote=paramount][quote=AN]

You preferred bigger house and can deal with commute. [/quote]

It isn’t about the bigger house, it really isn’t.

It’s all about value….and that’s what Temecula over-delivers on.[/quote]
but value is all relative to what you rank highest on your priority list. Which is why you see great value in Temecula. You don’t mind commuting and prefer bigger house. I on the other hand don’t see Temecula high on value at all. To me, Mira Mesa offer higher value because I hate hate commuting. I’m currently living 3 miles from work. That to me is value. I get good school, decent size house, but most importantly is being 3 miles from work. There’s no right or wrong here. Just different priority.

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[quote=paramount]This is what the same money will get you in 92592, and the schools are rated higher than even Poway:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/45638-Hawk-Ct_Temecula_CA_92592_M27740-39053?row=7&ex=CA566869400

Notice the San Diego property is really a condo.[/quote]Of course you can’t get as big of a house in San Diego compare to Temecula. But then you’re trading house size for distance to work.

This is what you get for a place w/in 5-15 minutes from SD’s view largest private employers.
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-130061746-10334_Darden_Rd_San_Diego_CA_92126. There’s no MR or HOA. That’s ~$260/month, or equivalently to ~$50k in housing price.

You preferred bigger house and can deal with commute. Other don’t mind smaller houses but hate commute. But to say you can’t get a house in the $400k in San Diego is wrong.

BTW, if you’re looking a place closer to RB area, you can pick this up in San Marcos: http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Marcos/971-Rose-Arbor-Dr-92078/home/3949871

If you’re looking for a place closer to Downtown (if you work down there), you can pick up something like this one: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-130043985-1768_Wolf_Canyon_Loop_Chula_Vista_CA_91913

Schools in Both San Marcos and Eastlake are good too.

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[quote=paramount]I’m going to search (realtor.com) for a 3/2.5/2 house in San Diego in an area with 9/10 schools that I think will realistically sell for 400k +/- 5%.

That’s 3 bedroom
2.5 bath
2 car garage

between 390000 and 420000

with a local great schools rating of at least 9 for elem/middle and 8 for high school.[/quote]It’s harder to get 2.5 bath, but 3/2 and 4/2 are all over Mira Mesa. They’re more between 400-450k instead of 390-420k. The Elementary schools are 9 and 10, the middle school and high school are 9.

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[quote=flu]imho it’s only going to get worse.[/quote]
They’re not making anymore land :-). In all seriousness, SD is almost fully built out, so, you’re right, it’ll only get worse from here. That’s what you get for living in a place with one of the best weather in the country. While we’re complaining it’s cold when it dips down to the 40s, 1/2 of the nation is currently being pounded by icy rain and snow.

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[quote=paramount][quote=spdrun]Aren’t you exaggerating a bit? Common charges and property taxes in SD are still pretty low. What’s wrong with a two or three bedroom condo? Come to think of it, I saw a 3-bedroom house with 1 bedroom guest cottage (rental income) in back for just north of $400k recently in a pretty good area.[/quote]

Depends on your situation IMO; if you have kids in public schools San Diego can be a gamble.

Yes, you might get that 3 bedroom house for 400k (will probably bid up), but most likely the schools are questionable.[/quote]uh… no. You can get a 3-4 bedroom in the low 400k with very good school.

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http://priceonomics.com/the-san-francisco-rent-explosion/

This puts ALL of San Diego to shame. Nearly $8000 for a 3 bedroom in SOMA, wow. I will never understand.

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[quote=flu]FLU’s laws of relativity.

1. In any significant, detrimental event , the only thing that matters is if you are less screwed than the majority of the people that are more screwed than you.

2. Speaking of something far fetched, fiction, that remotely *could* happen in the future with no rational basis is a darn good excuse for missing/missed opportunity in the past and present.[/quote]
You nailed it. I don’t see the bay area not having a major presence in tech in my life time. However, I do hope San Diego will become a major tech center someday.

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