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ParticipantThat logic makes absolutely no sense. What SD is proposing is 40% higher than Washington. If you think that’s a valid argument, there’s really nothing else to say. Also, it would take a few years to see what the true effect is. Also, what Washington has is only 15% more than CA. Like I said, bring it. We’ll see how it turns out in 10-15 years.
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor]
Who works at min wage jobs now?[/quote]
The largest group of min wage workers are in households making $100-200k/year. Majority of min wage workers are <25 years old. As I said in my earlier post, raising minimum wage by that much will definitely give a big boost to automation. The big fast food chains will be able to do that pretty easily while the struggling mom and pops will go out of biz, its their final nail in their coffin. Since this won't affect me, I say, lets do it and so we have a case study to point to in the future. I would much rather order my food from a computer in a non fancy restaurant anyways.ParticipantThese are the reasons why IMHO raising minimum wage will actually hurt those who work for minimum wage:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/22/technology/amazon-robots/index.html?iid=HP_LN
http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/22/technology/innovation/fast-food-robot/index.html?iid=HP_LNParticipant[quote=Navydoc]That’s making me want to buy a solar heating system for the pool. My pool builder said they were a waste of money, but your numbers would suggest otehrwise. Our pool was nice yesterday, but was only 77. Out of curiosity, is your pool dark? Mine is light and it seems the dark pools are warmer. Not sorry I went with the light bottom, I love the way the pool looks.[/quote]You pool builder is correct. I would much rather use the extra roof space for more panels for your electricity usage than to heating the pool. I find pool pump to use a lot more energy than nat gas to heat the pool. Especially if you just get a solar blanket the keep the heat in the pool. It raises the pool temp by about 5 degrees.
Participant[quote=Navydoc]Yup, sunpower 270’s is what I have. I wonder how much heating the pool to 80 would cost? My guess is quite a bit….[/quote]
I had my pool @ 90 and last summer when I used to pool everyday for a whole week, my gas bill that month was ~$100. So, I assume ~$400 if you use it everyday for a whole month. If you get a solar blanket, it’ll keep the heat in the pool, so you’d need less gas on subsequent days as well.Participant[quote=Navydoc]The system is 6.2 Kwh, 23 panels, but the panels are a bit bigger than industry standard. I must have a micro since they told me I can add panels if I need to. Has been generating 39-41 Kwh/day.
We noticed a big difference in our electricity bill after completing the pool in Feb, bill went from about $350 to almost 600, so the solar was a no-brainer. The biggest offender seems to be the hot tub. When we use it the pool pump runs and there is another dedicated pump for the auxillary jets. When we use it a lot we see a big differnce in the bill. I know the solar won’t do much for the gas portion, but I’m hoping it will generate enough to offset the gas a bit.
By the way, when do pools get warm around here? After 3 days of almost 100 degrees I expected my pool to be warmer than 75. I actually like it, but my wife’s family finds it a bit cold. Their calling us “The Resort”, and are wondering when the water’s going to warm up.[/quote]That makes a lot more sense. I miss read your post and thought your system is producing 594kWh :-). By the # panels and your total out put, it seems like you have the SunPower 270W panels. I have the Sharp 240W panels (15 of them).
You’re correct, the pool pump consumes A LOT of electricity if you have it running @ 2HP+ a lot. Heating shouldn’t cost nearly as much as the pump needed to push those water jets.
My water never got warmer than 75 degrees without heating, but I living much further west than you, so it usually doesn’t get that hot here.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]Congratulations to you solar people, I would be excited.
Did you already have electric stove and water heaters or did you do conversions?
Do all of you have a pool? Is that a big driver for solar, the pool pumps?[/quote]No plan on switching to electric stove or electric water heater. Electric stove sucks at cooking. Electric water heater is not as efficient as natural gas water heater and natural gas is quite cheap. Even if I have enough roof space to power a water heater, that would be one expensive solution.The pool isn’t as big of the reason as the AC. I like things cool and comfortable during the summer, so I have it set @72 degrees. Two days ago, when it was in the 90s, I have the AC running @72 degrees all day. My solar produced ~23kWh and I pulled ~29kWh from the grid. So, my total power usage was ~52kWh for that day, but I only have to pay for 29kWh of it. If that usage is the same for 30 days straight, the savings would be drastic. I would have been deep into Tier 4 without solar, but with solar, I would still be in Tier 3. But luckily, that’s usually not the case. Month to date, I’ve only used ~55kWh.
Participant[quote=Navydoc]We just lit ours up last Thusday and it has become an obsession of mine to look at the inverter to see how much power we generated during the day, and to see how much my electric meter has run down since the install. When I threw the switch the meter said 594 Kwh, now it reads 570. Can’t wait for my next electric bill. Strange, isn’t it?[/quote]
Wow, how big is your system? Mine is a 3.8kWh system and peak summer months, it produces about 22-25 kWh per day. If your number is correct, that means your system is produce ~17.7MWh per month. Do you really use that much power?ParticipantOne big advantage and is the main reason we went with micro inverter is that you can maximize the usage of your roof. If you have limited roof space and wanted to add that extra 1-2 panel(s), micro inverter is your only option.
ParticipantDays like these is when I’m even more glad it only takes me 5-10 minutes to get home.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
what if i don’t want to be nice? does that significantly lessen the odds that my kids will tend to me?what if I act only out of guilt, not out of love? does that negate the whole thing? is it better for me nott o do anything out of guilt?
i think the real truth is that a lot of people’s folks drive them batshit crazy …[/quote]then, put them all into homes and put yourself into a home when you’re no longer independent. Problem solved. Why even worry about any of it. It seems like it’s not even worth thinking about since everyone is driving everyone else batshit.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=AN][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=AN]What goes around comes around. Treat others how you’d like to be treated (parents included). It’s really that simple. If you leave your parents to rot in the nursing home with no visits, you shouldn’t expect anymore from your own kids.[/quote]
What goes around sometimes comes around.
Is it really just about payback
You may expect more if you are a good child but expectations are often disappointed[/quote]
Its not about expectations. You shouldn’t do it expecting something in return. But Karma is a bitch.[/quote]if only it were as simple as, you do good things, you get good things.
reality is, bad shit happens to good people. all day long.[/quote]Of course bad shit happens to good people. But when you’re surrounded by shit, it’s hard not to see shit.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]When a whole bunch of terrible things happen to a family of children at the hands of their parents, is that Karma to the children from a past life or something? So those kids don’t do too much for abusive parents ,but treat their children wonderfully when they have them….how should Karma work then? Not expectations …just the bit about Karma?[/quote]You can mocked the idea of karma. It doesn’t really matter if you believe or care about karma. But when your kids see you neglect your parents and you telling them that it’s OK. Don’t be too surprise when they follow your footstep and neglect you when you need them. The apple doesn’t fall to far from the tree. It’s really not that hard to grasp. Treat others how you’d like to be treated. That’s including treating your kids how you’d like they to treat you and teach them that how they treat out will someday be learned by their kids and they will treat them the way they treat you. If your kids see you genuinely love your parents and take care of them when they needed your care without any resentment, maybe they’ll learn that lesson and treat you the same way. Sometimes they won’t but like I said, don’t be nice with expectation of something in return. Be nice for the sake of being nice and hoping the niceness will rub off on people around you. But if it doesn’t, that’s OK too, because you genuinely did it because you want to, and not because you’re expecting something in return.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=AN]What goes around comes around. Treat others how you’d like to be treated (parents included). It’s really that simple. If you leave your parents to rot in the nursing home with no visits, you shouldn’t expect anymore from your own kids.[/quote]
What goes around sometimes comes around.
Is it really just about payback
You may expect more if you are a good child but expectations are often disappointed[/quote]
Its not about expectations. You shouldn’t do it expecting something in return. But Karma is a bitch. -
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