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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]In a global economy, I’m OK with people seeking investments in different locations.
spd is a small business person investing in USA. He has no duty to love the USA. A GM manager working in Peking doesn’t have to love China. He can criticize all he wants then leave when he’s ready, or not. Sometimes the opportunity to leave has not arisen. Maybe he married a local woman who won’t leave her family? He loves his wife but hates were he lives. Maybe he hates his job too, but the income sustains the family.
Life is very complex. There are all kinds of reasons people don’t just pickup and go.[/quote]I have no issue with him not loving USA. I just find it interesting that he claims there is just as many opportunity in Europe, the economy is just as vibrant, and he loves it over there and he hates it over here. Then why stay? All of those other reason you gave are just excuses. If he is not ambitious like he said and Europe has a great safety net and he would be much happier there as he claim, then why stay and complain instead of just follow his heart and be happy. Is a few $ to buy a few more baubles really worth not being happy?
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]To be fair, asking spdrun to love it or leave it is lame. He grew up in here and is familiar with the real estate environment. That’s his home and he’s entitled to his opinions.
But, flu, you do have a point about money. Many Americans live abroad because their money goes further and they live better then the local population. So it does come down to consumption, what you can do with money, and relative social standing.
Scaredy had a good quote about money being the elixir of life or something like that. You can’t avoid it unless you join a monastery, or get off the grid to live alone in the country. To live in the big city, enjoy cafes and companionship, you need money. The more the better.[/quote]
I wasn’t asking him to love it or leave it. I’m just surprised he’s still in the US just base on how much he hated he. So, love it is not even an option. He claim he’s only here long enough to extract some $ from the US economy before he leaves and he’s counting down the day till he leaves. So, I was just asking why he didn’t leave yet, because I would have left a long time ago.Participantflu, I’m confused to as to why spdrun is still in the US and not in Europe already. If I was in his shoes, I would be there a long time ago. After all, Europe have a lot more free time, so he can visit his family in the US very often. There’s more opportunities in Europe, so there shouldn’t be any issue with him making money over there, regardless if it’s blue collar or white collar. Maybe he’s masochistic and love to live in misery.
ParticipantWhy limit to just northern Europe? What about southern Europe?
Participant[quote=spdrun]
They would consume a lot more if they could.
Ah. But not at the expense of working like Americans. Witness the near riots whenever someone tries to institute American-type labor “reforms.”[/quote]
They can’t even if they wanted to. Just look at their unemployment.Participant[quote=spdrun]BTW – would it surprise you that electricity is actually cheaper in France than in Southern California? Using 90% nuke and hydropower has its advantages :)[/quote]France averages $0.1939/kWh. If you use like an average French person, your cost is $0.17/kWh. So, no, France doesn’t have cheaper electricity than SoCal.
Participant[quote=spdrun]You never go outside in summer, then? What’s the fun of living in CA if you go from air-conditioned bubble to bubble?[/quote]Who said I don’t go outside? but when I’m inside, I want to be comfortable. Just because I want my house temp to be between 70-72 doesn’t mean I can’t go hiking and sweat or to the beach. They’re not the same thing.
Participant[quote=spdrun]
LoL, Wolfram Alpha is headquartered in Illinois. Yandex, really?
AFAIK, Wolfram has more employees outside the US than within.[/quote]Doesn’t matter, it’s headquartered in the US, so it’s a US company.
Participant[quote=spdrun]
Forget about air-conditioning in the summer.
Average summer temps and humidity levels in much of Europe don’t require it. Any more than it’s required in coastal SD County.
BTW – would it surprise you that electricity is actually cheaper in France than in Southern California? Using 90% nuke and hydropower has its advantages :)[/quote]LoL, yes, I need AC in coastal SD county. Any hotter than 72 degree F, I need AC.
Participant[quote=spdrun]
If you go that far back, tell me, where would the world be if Microsoft, Apple, Google, the whole world would come to a screeching halt. People would have no idea where to go to find information. They would have no PC, smartphones, search engines, etc.
The hardware would still be there and is a commodity. Produced mostly by the Chinese. As well as the French (Alcatel network switches). The software would also keep on running, and development would just be taken over.
The only people who lose data are those stupid enough not to use local storage.
Search engine design isn’t even unique at this point. Wolfram Alpha (heavy European presence) and Yandex would likely take over soon enough.[/quote]LoL, Wolfram Alpha is headquartered in Illinois. Yandex, really?
Participant[quote=spdrun]AN, really? Europe has many companies that actually DESIGN, PRODUCE, and BUILD useful things. I.T. firms aren’t the be-all and end-all of innovation.
If Amazon, Fecesbook, the Twat, LinkedIn, or even Google went nipples-up tomorrow, the world would move on and their services would be replaced quickly. If Siemens or BASF went under, industry and power grids would come to a screeching halt.
It’s amazing how much industrial and power plant equipment Siemens provides and maintains. And BASF is the largest chemical company in the world.[/quote]LoL, I’m pretty sure if BASF went under, DOW chemical or DuPont would more than gladly fill their customer’s orders. If Siemens goes under, I’m pretty sure their US competitor can more than fill in the gaps.
FYI, I listed companies that were nothing 15+ years ago and now they’re multi billion dollar companies. BASF was founded in 1865. Siemens was founded in 1847. Can you only come up with companies founded over a century ago? If you go that far back, tell me, where would the world be if Microsoft, Apple, Google, the whole world would come to a screeching halt. People would have no idea where to go to find information. They would have no PC, smartphones, search engines, etc. Tell me, who can fill in for Microsoft/Apple/Google from Europe like Dow Chemical/DuPont/GE/etc. can easily fill in for Siemens and BASF?
ParticipantLast 15 years, we have Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. What does Europe have?
Participant[quote=flu][quote=AN]http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/03/news/economy/2-gas/index.html?iid=Lead
<$2/gallon gas is already happening. Some are predicting $35-40/barrel and <$2/gallon gas everywhere. I hope it stays that low for a long while.[/quote] Less than $50/barrel oil is already here in the U.S. Read this article.. It's pretty interesting... http://www.worldoil.com/Bakken-oil-already-under-due-to-regional-discount.html%5B/quote%5DThat's <$50/barrel at the wellhead. I'm talking about $35-40/barrel in the open market. There's a discount at the wellhead because they don't have to pay for gathering fees, trucking, terminalling, pipeline, etc.
Participanthttp://money.cnn.com/2014/12/03/news/economy/2-gas/index.html?iid=Lead
<$2/gallon gas is already happening. Some are predicting $35-40/barrel and <$2/gallon gas everywhere. I hope it stays that low for a long while.
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