[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Yeah, I might not have “called a spade a spade”, but I’ve been clear as to what I think, and believe.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Yeah, I might not have “called a spade a spade”, but I’ve been clear as to what I think, and believe.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Yeah, I might not have “called a spade a spade”, but I’ve been clear as to what I think, and believe.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Yeah, I might not have “called a spade a spade”, but I’ve been clear as to what I think, and believe.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Yeah, I might not have “called a spade a spade”, but I’ve been clear as to what I think, and believe.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I could argue that gold’s post wasn’t ad hominem, but I would be wrong, and we both know it. However, parts of it were not, and correctly made the point that Wolf, like Kunstler, or Chomsky, is a hack. That is not ad hominem, and is fully supported by facts.

This discussion between you and I (on this thread and the other) underscores an unfortunate point: We get caught up in parsing words, or arguing certain portions of a posting, that we lose the overall tenor of the argument and start bandying semantics.

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