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Participant[quote=LuckyInOC]”Some rebel groups are receiving supplies from Gulf states, and Western countries say they are giving non-lethal aid. But many rebels say they have not received anything.”
No…I am sure the gulf states are providing some light military supplies as the article indicates (3000 rounds of ammo per month). I can get that at my local gun shop today…
If the non-lethal aid comes in the form of sugar and fertilizer (ammonia nitrate), I am sure they will use whatever they can.
Lucky In OC[/quote]
I’ve been seeing ‘rebels’ and ‘activists’ with hundreds if not thousands of dollars worth of gear (per person) on the news. Also in the news, reports of seasoned non-domestic ‘volunteers’ participating in the war.
ParticipantDo you believe that the war in Syria is being fought with billions of $$ in Russian weapons by one side and sacks of sugar by the other?
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=craptcha]You responded to the initial post about Spengler. Your position was that new laws would make no difference since he was already banned from owning a gun. My point was that we should figure out how he got the gun and address the loophole.[/quote]The problem is that there is no way to address this so called loophole, because there was no loophole. What she did is a felony, already illegal, and it really looks like she is going to be in the pokey for it. She may also end up being financially liable. [/quote]
What about preventative measures? What is the point of a ban if it can be circumvented that easily? Would it make sense to have some kind of periodic evaluation of armed people? Annual safety check (what protection does broken gun give you?)? Mandatory training (guns handling and face biting)?
The main argument for the ease of access seems to be the ease of access itself.
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=craptcha]I doubt she walked in and asked for a gun that will be handed over to a convicted criminal. According to the article she’s still claiming that she bought the guns for personal protection, gun(s) were stolen, she failed to report the theft.[/quote]The problem with her statement, is that it is contradicted with other facts in evidence. Of course she would claim that it was ‘stolen’. What she did is a felony(fine of up to $250,000 and/or up to 10 years in prison). If he was stealing guns, why did he need to risk theft to obtain a second bushmaster? Theft would only instigate investigation within the neighborhood.
See 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6), 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A), 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)[/quote]
Sorry, I’m failing to formulate my point clearly.
You responded to the initial post about Spengler. Your position was that new laws would make no difference since he was already banned from owning a gun. My point was that we should figure out how he got the gun and address the loophole.
ParticipantWasn’t failure in the current market one of the requirements before NFL will allow a team to move? The team will perform worse next year regardless of the management.
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=craptcha]In this particular case (NY firefighters killed by a guy unable to purchase guns legally) the gun(s) were purchased by a neighbor for her own protection.
http://gothamist.com/2012/12/29/feds_woman_bought_rifle_for_upstate.php%5B/quote%5DTry reading the article again. She did not buy the guns for herself… she bought them for him, so that he could get past the ban on felons owning guns. This is why it states that she was acting as a “straw purchaser” or “straw buyer”.. See quote.. particularly last sentence:
“When the police asked her about the purchase after the shooting, she claimed the guns were for her own protection. She also said they had been stolen from her car, although the police said no report had been filed to support that claim.”
Also:
However, Spengler apparently wrote in his suicide note that a neighbor’s daughter helped him buy the guns.
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But Nguyen apparently texted messaged with a friend—who is a deputy—and told him that she bought Spengler the guns. Nguyen was released on her own recognizance.
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I doubt she walked in and asked for a gun that will be handed over to a convicted criminal. According to the article she’s still claiming that she bought the guns for personal protection, gun(s) were stolen, she failed to report the theft.
The argument made earlier in a thread was that people need easy access to guns in order to protect themselves from criminals like Spengler. But the necessary ease of access is what allowed Spengler to acquire weapons.
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=craptcha]What about making it harder to obtain a gun? The guy had it, so unless he made it he had to get it from someone.[/quote]The problem there is that it is too easy to get a gun or make a ‘gun’.. from the crude zip-guns, to Saturday Night Specials, to specialty guns like Barrett 50cal. While the ‘printed’ guns ie: MakerBot look to make it much easier, the plastic of these is way too fragile. In general, the barrel of a gun needs to be forged and tempered for strength. It is currently not feasible for a printed gun to function reliably.. though this may not be the case in the future. It is also possible to build a gun using a steel laser sintering printing process and use a lower cartridge charge.. and have it work reliably. There are other ‘interesting’ characteristics that I am not going to get into..[/quote]
In this particular case (NY firefighters killed by a guy unable to purchase guns legally) the gun(s) were purchased by a neighbor for her own protection.
http://gothamist.com/2012/12/29/feds_woman_bought_rifle_for_upstate.php
ParticipantSwitzerland is ‘different’.
The military service is mandatory in Switzerland and members of militia (basically every capable male) must keep the government issued rifle and ammunition at home. Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).
So, all males are evaluated before conscription and those who are find capable will receive ~20 weeks of training. If you want to buy another gun you need a permit. If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. If you are a working class ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that.Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=KIBU]Today’s shooting: 2 firefighters dead + 1 more ir”responsible” gun user killed.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/new-york-firefighters-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.%5B/quote%5D The shooter was a felon. He was not legally able to own a gun (used ‘was’ because he no longer is). Any change in gun laws would have done absolutely nothing. In many ways, this shooting shows what is wrong with assuming that gun laws will prevent it. His gun ownership was already illegal and against existing laws. Felons, particularly those currently on probation, can NOT own any firearm.
The shooter was not afraid of dying to pull off his shooting. That means that even a penalty of death for possessing a firearm would not have stopped him. How much more strict a ‘gun law’ can you make than the death penalty?[/quote]
What about making it harder to obtain a gun? The guy had it, so unless he made it he had to get it from someone.
Participant[quote=ucodegen][quote=CA renter]
From what I understand, he shot his way through the glass door at the front of the school.[/quote] Reference? I have been looking for how he got in.[/quote]http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3632863.ece
I support gun control. I like the reference SD R made – we get tested before they can buy a car, then we pay annual fee even if we don’t use the vehicle. Having something like that for guns seems fair to me. But in this particular case the guy could have hijacked a school bus and took it off a cliff.
On the other hand people are being beheaded 20 miles from San Diego and the countries south of the US are supposedly asking the US to stop being the enabler.Participant[quote=ucodegen] Safety measures that mandated parents signing in, etc. How did he get past these? A perv could also go past these same security measures to ‘snatch’ a kid.
[/quote]He used the gun.
ParticipantWe will soon be able to (3D) print our own guns.
Gun enthusiasts release open-source kits for 3D-printed Wiki Weapons
ParticipantMost of the corporate bonds in 80’s were callable (as in >90% of non-junk bonds). So were the us treasury bonds issued before 1985.
ParticipantCan it print a gun?
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/142265-the-first-open-source-3d-printed-gun -
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