OT: repeal the 2nd amendment

[scaredyclassic]

I was gonna start this lobbying group.

But then I thought, for sure some assholes gonna shoot me.

[CardiffBaseball]

Yea a good squat does nothing to prevent a bullet or shell from ripping apart the flesh. Survival instincts must kick in.

[dumbrenter]

I have to hand it to you squat, at least you were stirred enough to start a new thread on the repeal!

Don’t worry about the lunatics with guns, the pro 2nd amendmenters will be around to protect you 🙂

[scaredyclassic]

I fear that in drawing the venn diiagrams of the set of lunatics with guns and the set of pro 2nd amendmenters, there may be some significant overlap.

Still it would be pretty cool to head up this organizations.

No one believed prohibition would ever repealed. Popular wisdom was it would never ever happen. A wealthy female socialite led the charge out of sheer conviction.

I truly believe we would all be better off if we were not collectively heavily armed. It’s not based on fact or reason but strictly feelings.

[scaredyclassic]

Ever hear the Johnny cash anti gun song in which a mother teaches her child not to play with guns but then he shoots a man in Reno just to watch him die?

Folsom prison blues. I wonder if the guy he shot was armed?

[LuckyInOC]

Wouldn’t we be better off if we were not collectively heavily drunk?

Based on the current number of deaths caused by alcohol, prohibition of alcohol should also be replaced.

In 2009, 24,518 persons died due directly to alcohol use. This does not include homicides due to vehicle accidents. (1)

Drug induced deaths were 39,147.

All injury by firearms deaths were 31,347.
355 were 14 years and under.

Suicide by firearms were 18,735 (included above).
Suicide by other means were 18,174.
Persons under 55 were less likely to use a firearm.

All type of homicides were 16,799.
11,493 by firearms (included above).

Accidental discharge of firearms were 554 (included above).

Deaths by motor vehicle accidents were 36,216.
1,548 deaths were 14 years old and under.

It appears this all comes from the lack of personal responsibility for ones self, ones family, and others. Without this basic understanding, no wonder these statistics will rise.

Lucky In OC

Note:
Alcohol related Vehicle deaths could be listed as Homicides.
Drug related deaths could be listed as suicide.

CDC Death statistics 2009:
(1) http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_03.pdf

[ucodegen]

[quote=squat300]Ever hear the Johnny cash anti gun song in which a mother teaches her child not to play with guns but then he shoots a man in Reno just to watch him die?

Folsom prison blues. I wonder if the guy he shot was armed?[/quote]Probably not, otherwise there might have been a line in the song mentioning that the guy tried to draw his gun in defense but was too slow…

BTW: Folsom Prison Blues is not an anti-gun song. It is a song about taking responsibility for ones actions.

Cash recounted how he came up with the line “I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die”: “I sat with my pen in my hand, trying to think up the worst reason a person could have for killing another person, and that’s what came to mind.”

The more complete quote for that song is:

When I was just a baby,
My Mama told me, “Son,
Always be a good boy,
Don’t ever play with guns,”
But I shot a man in Reno,
Just to watch him die,
When I hear that whistle blowin’,
I hang my head and cry.

[LuckyInOC]

“In 2009, a total of 1,314 children age 14 and younger were killed in motor vehicle traffic crashes. Of those 1,314 fatalities, 181 (14%) occurred in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. Out of those 181 deaths, 92 (51%) were occupants of a vehicle with a driver who had a BAC level of .08 or higher, and another 27 children (15%) were pedestrians or pedalcyclists struck by drivers with a BAC of .08 or higher.”

“181 (14%) occurred in alcohol-impaired driving crashes” This is equivalent to almost 10 Sandy Nook’s every year. Almost one every month.

Over 50% of the children were the occupants. Whether it is guns, cars, or drugs, it comes down to basic responsible behavior. This is taught by parents, not legislated. All we have is a citizenry of immature adults with no training in responsibility.

Lucky in OC.

Drunk driving statistics

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=squat300]Ever hear the Johnny cash anti gun song in which a mother teaches her child not to play with guns but then he shoots a man in Reno just to watch him die?

Folsom prison blues. I wonder if the guy he shot was armed?[/quote]Probably not, otherwise there might have been a line in the song mentioning that the guy tried to draw his gun in defense but was too slow…

BTW: Folsom Prison Blues is not an anti-gun song. It is a song about taking responsibility for ones actions.

Cash recounted how he came up with the line “I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die”: “I sat with my pen in my hand, trying to think up the worst reason a person could have for killing another person, and that’s what came to mind.”

The more complete quote for that song is:

When I was just a baby,
My Mama told me, “Son,
Always be a good boy,
Don’t ever play with guns,”
But I shot a man in Reno,
Just to watch him die,
When I hear that whistle blowin’,
I hang my head and cry.

[/quote]

id just been listening to the song in my car, so the lyrics were pretty fresh. i ehard it as a song about a kid who knew guns were bad news but who did an impetuous act he might nototherwise have done simply because he had the opportunity and basically killed himself and all his dreams at the same time.

i dont hear anything about eprsonal responsibility int he song, like he turned himself in or anything. it sounds like the gun was the cause of his misery the way i read the lyrics. the way his mama told him not to play with guns, but he went to Reno, a sort of risky town, and was i figure probably drinking and gambling,a dn the next thing you know, he killed a man, where if it had been other circumstances, might merely have been arelatively friendly fistfight.

[scaredyclassic]

as some say, it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, so shoot first and ask questions later.

[ucodegen]

[quote=squat300]i dont hear anything about eprsonal responsibility int he song, like he turned himself in or anything. it sounds like the gun was the cause of his misery the way i read the lyrics. the way his mama told him not to play with guns, but he went to Reno, a sort of risky town, and was i figure probably drinking and gambling,a dn the next thing you know, he killed a man, where if it had been other circumstances, might merely have been arelatively friendly fistfight.[/quote]Take a look at the wording. Does it say anything about blaming having a gun? or that his mama told him not to and he did it anyway? That he was warned, did it anyway just to see, and is paying the price. Also look at the quote from Cash on how the phrase came about. It was not the worse use of a gun, it was the worse reason for killing someone. It also mentioned nothing about drinking, gambling, etc. Quite a stretch there. Here is another line from the same song:

Well I know I had it coming, I know I can’t be free.

Looks like it is personal responsibility.

[ucodegen]

[quote=squat300]as some say, it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, so shoot first and ask questions later.[/quote]That in a line, is an example of the real problem.

[scaredyclassic]

I know I can’t be free is not the same as I acknowledge I should not be free. Only the latter involves taking responsibility. I could be unjustly imprisoned and “know I can’t be free” but still contest the validity of my imprisonment.

[scaredyclassic]

Reno indicates sin drink gambling and whoring to me but maybe it wa different st the time of the creation of the song

[scaredyclassic]

Had he not owned the gun he would have ultimately been more free.

I wonder if the set of people who believe the military is fighting for our freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan is largely the set of people who believe guns prevent tyranny at home.

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