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[quote=sdnerd]Maybe I’m the exception – but I want an HOA.

For $80/mo the neighborhood stays nice, and the parks are maintained. I know my neighbor isn’t going to paint his house pink, park cars on the lawn, line his roof with antenna dishes, or start selling clothes out of his garage.

I’ve seen the house in CV where every weekend they open a clothing store in their garage and on their driveway. I’ve seen the pink house in Del Mar. I’ve seen 5 cars fit in a 2 car driveway in Mira Mesa.

$80/mo on a 700-$800,000 home? Sign me up!

Nobody likes MR. But if you want a newish house in a top tier school district your choices are pretty limited. 99.999% of people write it off come tax time anyhow, so the couple hundred a month at the end of the day isn’t all that bad.[/quote]

My argument is that the same level of service would cost less than $80/month, or that you would get more for $80/month if you had market forces other than cronyism at work. Redoing the community website to even crappier product while breaking the backward compatibility and forcing the subscribers to re-subscribe was unnecessary, but it was not free.

E.g. with middle and high school south of Del Norte I’d like to see a pedestrian bridge between 4S Ranch Parkway and Craftmans Way.
People who live on Abundante have to walk 1 mile to get to the mall that is on the other side of their backyard fence. Stairs would cut that to 100 yards.
With $3MM/year you can do some nice things.

And if they require pre-approval to repaint the fence they need to have the color code – how can they approve if they don’t know the original color?

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[quote=sdnerd]Maybe I’m the exception – but I want an HOA.

For $80/mo the neighborhood stays nice, and the parks are maintained. I know my neighbor isn’t going to paint his house pink, park cars on the lawn, line his roof with antenna dishes, or start selling clothes out of his garage.

I’ve seen the house in CV where every weekend they open a clothing store in their garage and on their driveway. I’ve seen the pink house in Del Mar. I’ve seen 5 cars fit in a 2 car driveway in Mira Mesa.

$80/mo on a 700-$800,000 home? Sign me up!

Nobody likes MR. But if you want a newish house in a top tier school district your choices are pretty limited. 99.999% of people write it off come tax time anyhow, so the couple hundred a month at the end of the day isn’t all that bad.[/quote]

My argument is that the same level of service would cost less than $80/month, or that you would get more for $80/month if you had market forces other than cronyism at work. Redoing the community website to even crappier product while breaking the backward compatibility and forcing the subscribers to re-subscribe was unnecessary, but it was not free.

E.g. with middle and high school south of Del Norte I’d like to see a pedestrian bridge between 4S Ranch Parkway and Craftmans Way.
People who live on Abundante have to walk 1 mile to get to the mall that is on the other side of their backyard fence. Stairs would cut that to 100 yards.
With $3MM/year you can do some nice things.

And if they require pre-approval to repaint the fence they need to have the color code – how can they approve if they don’t know the original color?

[all]

[quote=sdnerd]Maybe I’m the exception – but I want an HOA.

For $80/mo the neighborhood stays nice, and the parks are maintained. I know my neighbor isn’t going to paint his house pink, park cars on the lawn, line his roof with antenna dishes, or start selling clothes out of his garage.

I’ve seen the house in CV where every weekend they open a clothing store in their garage and on their driveway. I’ve seen the pink house in Del Mar. I’ve seen 5 cars fit in a 2 car driveway in Mira Mesa.

$80/mo on a 700-$800,000 home? Sign me up!

Nobody likes MR. But if you want a newish house in a top tier school district your choices are pretty limited. 99.999% of people write it off come tax time anyhow, so the couple hundred a month at the end of the day isn’t all that bad.[/quote]

My argument is that the same level of service would cost less than $80/month, or that you would get more for $80/month if you had market forces other than cronyism at work. Redoing the community website to even crappier product while breaking the backward compatibility and forcing the subscribers to re-subscribe was unnecessary, but it was not free.

E.g. with middle and high school south of Del Norte I’d like to see a pedestrian bridge between 4S Ranch Parkway and Craftmans Way.
People who live on Abundante have to walk 1 mile to get to the mall that is on the other side of their backyard fence. Stairs would cut that to 100 yards.
With $3MM/year you can do some nice things.

And if they require pre-approval to repaint the fence they need to have the color code – how can they approve if they don’t know the original color?

[all]

[quote=sdnerd]Maybe I’m the exception – but I want an HOA.

For $80/mo the neighborhood stays nice, and the parks are maintained. I know my neighbor isn’t going to paint his house pink, park cars on the lawn, line his roof with antenna dishes, or start selling clothes out of his garage.

I’ve seen the house in CV where every weekend they open a clothing store in their garage and on their driveway. I’ve seen the pink house in Del Mar. I’ve seen 5 cars fit in a 2 car driveway in Mira Mesa.

$80/mo on a 700-$800,000 home? Sign me up!

Nobody likes MR. But if you want a newish house in a top tier school district your choices are pretty limited. 99.999% of people write it off come tax time anyhow, so the couple hundred a month at the end of the day isn’t all that bad.[/quote]

My argument is that the same level of service would cost less than $80/month, or that you would get more for $80/month if you had market forces other than cronyism at work. Redoing the community website to even crappier product while breaking the backward compatibility and forcing the subscribers to re-subscribe was unnecessary, but it was not free.

E.g. with middle and high school south of Del Norte I’d like to see a pedestrian bridge between 4S Ranch Parkway and Craftmans Way.
People who live on Abundante have to walk 1 mile to get to the mall that is on the other side of their backyard fence. Stairs would cut that to 100 yards.
With $3MM/year you can do some nice things.

And if they require pre-approval to repaint the fence they need to have the color code – how can they approve if they don’t know the original color?

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[quote=sdnerd]Maybe I’m the exception – but I want an HOA.

For $80/mo the neighborhood stays nice, and the parks are maintained. I know my neighbor isn’t going to paint his house pink, park cars on the lawn, line his roof with antenna dishes, or start selling clothes out of his garage.

I’ve seen the house in CV where every weekend they open a clothing store in their garage and on their driveway. I’ve seen the pink house in Del Mar. I’ve seen 5 cars fit in a 2 car driveway in Mira Mesa.

$80/mo on a 700-$800,000 home? Sign me up!

Nobody likes MR. But if you want a newish house in a top tier school district your choices are pretty limited. 99.999% of people write it off come tax time anyhow, so the couple hundred a month at the end of the day isn’t all that bad.[/quote]

My argument is that the same level of service would cost less than $80/month, or that you would get more for $80/month if you had market forces other than cronyism at work. Redoing the community website to even crappier product while breaking the backward compatibility and forcing the subscribers to re-subscribe was unnecessary, but it was not free.

E.g. with middle and high school south of Del Norte I’d like to see a pedestrian bridge between 4S Ranch Parkway and Craftmans Way.
People who live on Abundante have to walk 1 mile to get to the mall that is on the other side of their backyard fence. Stairs would cut that to 100 yards.
With $3MM/year you can do some nice things.

And if they require pre-approval to repaint the fence they need to have the color code – how can they approve if they don’t know the original color?

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[quote=freshman]It seems not right. HOA in 4S takes care of the lawn between the sidewalk and the street. The water bill of this area is included in your HOA fee.[/quote]

Maybe in your subdivision.
In my subdivision, I am responsible for my section. The sprinklers are attached to my system, which is connected to my meter.

[quote=freshman]There are a lot of parks in 4S, not sure if HOA or MR takes care of them, but they are always in good conditions. [/quote]

Some parks are HOA, some are county (4S is not part of the city, that’s why we pay for the garbage removal and have fire sprinklers inside – county code requires that)

The ‘splash’ park is the most expensive HOA park and HOA used it to justify raising the fee from $75 to $83.
There are 4K houses in the community. We are talking about $300K/month and the fee is higher than what High Country West or Bernardo Heights residents pay, where HOA takes care of the front lawn and the residents enjoy nice country club.
4S has no HOA-maintained recreational facility other than the hiking trails and the totlots.

[quote=freshman]
There must be some reasons why 4S is so hot even MR and HOA are high, it still attracts people to live there.
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There must be some reason why California still attracts people. It is not for lousy schools and high taxes, but in spite of that.
Similarly, people don’t come to 4S because they like high HOA, but in spite of it.

My position is that HOA is overcharging.

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[quote=freshman]It seems not right. HOA in 4S takes care of the lawn between the sidewalk and the street. The water bill of this area is included in your HOA fee.[/quote]

Maybe in your subdivision.
In my subdivision, I am responsible for my section. The sprinklers are attached to my system, which is connected to my meter.

[quote=freshman]There are a lot of parks in 4S, not sure if HOA or MR takes care of them, but they are always in good conditions. [/quote]

Some parks are HOA, some are county (4S is not part of the city, that’s why we pay for the garbage removal and have fire sprinklers inside – county code requires that)

The ‘splash’ park is the most expensive HOA park and HOA used it to justify raising the fee from $75 to $83.
There are 4K houses in the community. We are talking about $300K/month and the fee is higher than what High Country West or Bernardo Heights residents pay, where HOA takes care of the front lawn and the residents enjoy nice country club.
4S has no HOA-maintained recreational facility other than the hiking trails and the totlots.

[quote=freshman]
There must be some reasons why 4S is so hot even MR and HOA are high, it still attracts people to live there.
[/quote]

There must be some reason why California still attracts people. It is not for lousy schools and high taxes, but in spite of that.
Similarly, people don’t come to 4S because they like high HOA, but in spite of it.

My position is that HOA is overcharging.

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[quote=freshman]It seems not right. HOA in 4S takes care of the lawn between the sidewalk and the street. The water bill of this area is included in your HOA fee.[/quote]

Maybe in your subdivision.
In my subdivision, I am responsible for my section. The sprinklers are attached to my system, which is connected to my meter.

[quote=freshman]There are a lot of parks in 4S, not sure if HOA or MR takes care of them, but they are always in good conditions. [/quote]

Some parks are HOA, some are county (4S is not part of the city, that’s why we pay for the garbage removal and have fire sprinklers inside – county code requires that)

The ‘splash’ park is the most expensive HOA park and HOA used it to justify raising the fee from $75 to $83.
There are 4K houses in the community. We are talking about $300K/month and the fee is higher than what High Country West or Bernardo Heights residents pay, where HOA takes care of the front lawn and the residents enjoy nice country club.
4S has no HOA-maintained recreational facility other than the hiking trails and the totlots.

[quote=freshman]
There must be some reasons why 4S is so hot even MR and HOA are high, it still attracts people to live there.
[/quote]

There must be some reason why California still attracts people. It is not for lousy schools and high taxes, but in spite of that.
Similarly, people don’t come to 4S because they like high HOA, but in spite of it.

My position is that HOA is overcharging.

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[quote=freshman]It seems not right. HOA in 4S takes care of the lawn between the sidewalk and the street. The water bill of this area is included in your HOA fee.[/quote]

Maybe in your subdivision.
In my subdivision, I am responsible for my section. The sprinklers are attached to my system, which is connected to my meter.

[quote=freshman]There are a lot of parks in 4S, not sure if HOA or MR takes care of them, but they are always in good conditions. [/quote]

Some parks are HOA, some are county (4S is not part of the city, that’s why we pay for the garbage removal and have fire sprinklers inside – county code requires that)

The ‘splash’ park is the most expensive HOA park and HOA used it to justify raising the fee from $75 to $83.
There are 4K houses in the community. We are talking about $300K/month and the fee is higher than what High Country West or Bernardo Heights residents pay, where HOA takes care of the front lawn and the residents enjoy nice country club.
4S has no HOA-maintained recreational facility other than the hiking trails and the totlots.

[quote=freshman]
There must be some reasons why 4S is so hot even MR and HOA are high, it still attracts people to live there.
[/quote]

There must be some reason why California still attracts people. It is not for lousy schools and high taxes, but in spite of that.
Similarly, people don’t come to 4S because they like high HOA, but in spite of it.

My position is that HOA is overcharging.

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[quote=freshman]It seems not right. HOA in 4S takes care of the lawn between the sidewalk and the street. The water bill of this area is included in your HOA fee.[/quote]

Maybe in your subdivision.
In my subdivision, I am responsible for my section. The sprinklers are attached to my system, which is connected to my meter.

[quote=freshman]There are a lot of parks in 4S, not sure if HOA or MR takes care of them, but they are always in good conditions. [/quote]

Some parks are HOA, some are county (4S is not part of the city, that’s why we pay for the garbage removal and have fire sprinklers inside – county code requires that)

The ‘splash’ park is the most expensive HOA park and HOA used it to justify raising the fee from $75 to $83.
There are 4K houses in the community. We are talking about $300K/month and the fee is higher than what High Country West or Bernardo Heights residents pay, where HOA takes care of the front lawn and the residents enjoy nice country club.
4S has no HOA-maintained recreational facility other than the hiking trails and the totlots.

[quote=freshman]
There must be some reasons why 4S is so hot even MR and HOA are high, it still attracts people to live there.
[/quote]

There must be some reason why California still attracts people. It is not for lousy schools and high taxes, but in spite of that.
Similarly, people don’t come to 4S because they like high HOA, but in spite of it.

My position is that HOA is overcharging.

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It happened to a 60+ old nearly bankrupt real estate agent, who managed to stop the car, but not until after giving the media a chance to get some good shots.

The life experience says it is a stunt. Another ‘incident’ happened yesterday. Unsurprisingly, politicians were there to jump on the bandwagon. A guy walks in, says “Darrell Issa sends me” and goes to evening news when the NHTSA guy refuses to break the protocol for him.

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It happened to a 60+ old nearly bankrupt real estate agent, who managed to stop the car, but not until after giving the media a chance to get some good shots.

The life experience says it is a stunt. Another ‘incident’ happened yesterday. Unsurprisingly, politicians were there to jump on the bandwagon. A guy walks in, says “Darrell Issa sends me” and goes to evening news when the NHTSA guy refuses to break the protocol for him.

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It happened to a 60+ old nearly bankrupt real estate agent, who managed to stop the car, but not until after giving the media a chance to get some good shots.

The life experience says it is a stunt. Another ‘incident’ happened yesterday. Unsurprisingly, politicians were there to jump on the bandwagon. A guy walks in, says “Darrell Issa sends me” and goes to evening news when the NHTSA guy refuses to break the protocol for him.

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It happened to a 60+ old nearly bankrupt real estate agent, who managed to stop the car, but not until after giving the media a chance to get some good shots.

The life experience says it is a stunt. Another ‘incident’ happened yesterday. Unsurprisingly, politicians were there to jump on the bandwagon. A guy walks in, says “Darrell Issa sends me” and goes to evening news when the NHTSA guy refuses to break the protocol for him.

[all]

It happened to a 60+ old nearly bankrupt real estate agent, who managed to stop the car, but not until after giving the media a chance to get some good shots.

The life experience says it is a stunt. Another ‘incident’ happened yesterday. Unsurprisingly, politicians were there to jump on the bandwagon. A guy walks in, says “Darrell Issa sends me” and goes to evening news when the NHTSA guy refuses to break the protocol for him.

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