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Futhermore, with Kim Dae Jung as president, South Korea began the Sunshine Policy of raprochement with North Korea.[/quote]

Boy, am I glad you mentioned the so-called “Sunshine Policy” … because it’s been well documented that Kim Dae-jung initiated it with a $500 million payoff to North Korea from a secret political slush fund.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-South_presidential_summit_corruption_allegations

That Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. Obama freely admitted he hadn’t done anything to deserve his, but at least he didn’t get it through crass bribery.

Incidentally, the payoffs were disguised as part of the jointly owned Mount Kumgang resort project in North Korea. Once the scandal was uncovered in 2003, the flow of illicit cash stopped and North Korea’s attitude hardened almost overnight. The resort closed after a South Korean visitor was shot by guards while taking a walk on the beach, and was later expropriated by NK.

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[quote=briansd1]I don’t see why we should blame the Chinese.

If we want to fix the Korean situation to our liking, then we need to do what we need to do. If we don’t have the means, then tough luck for us.

The Chinese will do what is good for them, unless we make it worthwhile for them to help us. Simple as that.

Foreign policy is based on tit for tat relationships of equals (or a semblance of it). We need to treat others like we want to be treated. Under Bush, America wanted to go it alone, so we should shouldn’t be surprised if other countries are now telling us “you want to fix it, then you do it; nobody is stopping you, but don’t expect us to help. And if you break it, you own it.”

In diplomacy, it takes years, if not decades, to make admends for perceived wrongs and breach of protocol.[/quote]

Geez briansd, this isn’t about the United States, for crying out loud!

This is about the people of the Republic of Korea who have been subjected to a violent premeditated attack. This is about the long-suffering people of North Korea. And it’s about the constant selfish meddling of the Chinese government that keeps the South in fear and the North in poverty and chaos.

It’s about my grandparents and their young children, who fled North Korea through those same disputed waters in 1946, and were saved by the hospitality of those same islanders when their boat broke down. None of them ever saw their home in the north again … except for my uncle, who had to flee through those waters again when the few survivors of his unit retreated from the north in late 1950.

So treat others as they would want to be treated, and think about those who truly bear the burden of the Korean situation before glibly brushing it off as another George W. Bush gaffe.

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[quote=briansd1]I don’t see why we should blame the Chinese.

If we want to fix the Korean situation to our liking, then we need to do what we need to do. If we don’t have the means, then tough luck for us.

The Chinese will do what is good for them, unless we make it worthwhile for them to help us. Simple as that.

Foreign policy is based on tit for tat relationships of equals (or a semblance of it). We need to treat others like we want to be treated. Under Bush, America wanted to go it alone, so we should shouldn’t be surprised if other countries are now telling us “you want to fix it, then you do it; nobody is stopping you, but don’t expect us to help. And if you break it, you own it.”

In diplomacy, it takes years, if not decades, to make admends for perceived wrongs and breach of protocol.[/quote]

Geez briansd, this isn’t about the United States, for crying out loud!

This is about the people of the Republic of Korea who have been subjected to a violent premeditated attack. This is about the long-suffering people of North Korea. And it’s about the constant selfish meddling of the Chinese government that keeps the South in fear and the North in poverty and chaos.

It’s about my grandparents and their young children, who fled North Korea through those same disputed waters in 1946, and were saved by the hospitality of those same islanders when their boat broke down. None of them ever saw their home in the north again … except for my uncle, who had to flee through those waters again when the few survivors of his unit retreated from the north in late 1950.

So treat others as they would want to be treated, and think about those who truly bear the burden of the Korean situation before glibly brushing it off as another George W. Bush gaffe.

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[quote=briansd1]I don’t see why we should blame the Chinese.

If we want to fix the Korean situation to our liking, then we need to do what we need to do. If we don’t have the means, then tough luck for us.

The Chinese will do what is good for them, unless we make it worthwhile for them to help us. Simple as that.

Foreign policy is based on tit for tat relationships of equals (or a semblance of it). We need to treat others like we want to be treated. Under Bush, America wanted to go it alone, so we should shouldn’t be surprised if other countries are now telling us “you want to fix it, then you do it; nobody is stopping you, but don’t expect us to help. And if you break it, you own it.”

In diplomacy, it takes years, if not decades, to make admends for perceived wrongs and breach of protocol.[/quote]

Geez briansd, this isn’t about the United States, for crying out loud!

This is about the people of the Republic of Korea who have been subjected to a violent premeditated attack. This is about the long-suffering people of North Korea. And it’s about the constant selfish meddling of the Chinese government that keeps the South in fear and the North in poverty and chaos.

It’s about my grandparents and their young children, who fled North Korea through those same disputed waters in 1946, and were saved by the hospitality of those same islanders when their boat broke down. None of them ever saw their home in the north again … except for my uncle, who had to flee through those waters again when the few survivors of his unit retreated from the north in late 1950.

So treat others as they would want to be treated, and think about those who truly bear the burden of the Korean situation before glibly brushing it off as another George W. Bush gaffe.

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[quote=briansd1]I don’t see why we should blame the Chinese.

If we want to fix the Korean situation to our liking, then we need to do what we need to do. If we don’t have the means, then tough luck for us.

The Chinese will do what is good for them, unless we make it worthwhile for them to help us. Simple as that.

Foreign policy is based on tit for tat relationships of equals (or a semblance of it). We need to treat others like we want to be treated. Under Bush, America wanted to go it alone, so we should shouldn’t be surprised if other countries are now telling us “you want to fix it, then you do it; nobody is stopping you, but don’t expect us to help. And if you break it, you own it.”

In diplomacy, it takes years, if not decades, to make admends for perceived wrongs and breach of protocol.[/quote]

Geez briansd, this isn’t about the United States, for crying out loud!

This is about the people of the Republic of Korea who have been subjected to a violent premeditated attack. This is about the long-suffering people of North Korea. And it’s about the constant selfish meddling of the Chinese government that keeps the South in fear and the North in poverty and chaos.

It’s about my grandparents and their young children, who fled North Korea through those same disputed waters in 1946, and were saved by the hospitality of those same islanders when their boat broke down. None of them ever saw their home in the north again … except for my uncle, who had to flee through those waters again when the few survivors of his unit retreated from the north in late 1950.

So treat others as they would want to be treated, and think about those who truly bear the burden of the Korean situation before glibly brushing it off as another George W. Bush gaffe.

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[quote=briansd1]I don’t see why we should blame the Chinese.

If we want to fix the Korean situation to our liking, then we need to do what we need to do. If we don’t have the means, then tough luck for us.

The Chinese will do what is good for them, unless we make it worthwhile for them to help us. Simple as that.

Foreign policy is based on tit for tat relationships of equals (or a semblance of it). We need to treat others like we want to be treated. Under Bush, America wanted to go it alone, so we should shouldn’t be surprised if other countries are now telling us “you want to fix it, then you do it; nobody is stopping you, but don’t expect us to help. And if you break it, you own it.”

In diplomacy, it takes years, if not decades, to make admends for perceived wrongs and breach of protocol.[/quote]

Geez briansd, this isn’t about the United States, for crying out loud!

This is about the people of the Republic of Korea who have been subjected to a violent premeditated attack. This is about the long-suffering people of North Korea. And it’s about the constant selfish meddling of the Chinese government that keeps the South in fear and the North in poverty and chaos.

It’s about my grandparents and their young children, who fled North Korea through those same disputed waters in 1946, and were saved by the hospitality of those same islanders when their boat broke down. None of them ever saw their home in the north again … except for my uncle, who had to flee through those waters again when the few survivors of his unit retreated from the north in late 1950.

So treat others as they would want to be treated, and think about those who truly bear the burden of the Korean situation before glibly brushing it off as another George W. Bush gaffe.

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[quote=nocommonsense]The recent wikileaked stuff shed some very interesting light on China in this situation. Sounds like China despises North Karea as much as we do, but lacks the will to do the right things.[/quote]

The Wikileaked docs represent American diplomats’ summaries of conversations with South Korean diplomats regarding their conversations with some mid-level Chinese officials and academics. Enlightening, but still third- or fourth-hand information. At the same time the Wikileaked docs showed that the old-school hard-liners are still represented among the top ranks of Chinese officials.

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[quote=nocommonsense]The recent wikileaked stuff shed some very interesting light on China in this situation. Sounds like China despises North Karea as much as we do, but lacks the will to do the right things.[/quote]

The Wikileaked docs represent American diplomats’ summaries of conversations with South Korean diplomats regarding their conversations with some mid-level Chinese officials and academics. Enlightening, but still third- or fourth-hand information. At the same time the Wikileaked docs showed that the old-school hard-liners are still represented among the top ranks of Chinese officials.

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[quote=nocommonsense]The recent wikileaked stuff shed some very interesting light on China in this situation. Sounds like China despises North Karea as much as we do, but lacks the will to do the right things.[/quote]

The Wikileaked docs represent American diplomats’ summaries of conversations with South Korean diplomats regarding their conversations with some mid-level Chinese officials and academics. Enlightening, but still third- or fourth-hand information. At the same time the Wikileaked docs showed that the old-school hard-liners are still represented among the top ranks of Chinese officials.

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[quote=nocommonsense]The recent wikileaked stuff shed some very interesting light on China in this situation. Sounds like China despises North Karea as much as we do, but lacks the will to do the right things.[/quote]

The Wikileaked docs represent American diplomats’ summaries of conversations with South Korean diplomats regarding their conversations with some mid-level Chinese officials and academics. Enlightening, but still third- or fourth-hand information. At the same time the Wikileaked docs showed that the old-school hard-liners are still represented among the top ranks of Chinese officials.

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[quote=nocommonsense]The recent wikileaked stuff shed some very interesting light on China in this situation. Sounds like China despises North Karea as much as we do, but lacks the will to do the right things.[/quote]

The Wikileaked docs represent American diplomats’ summaries of conversations with South Korean diplomats regarding their conversations with some mid-level Chinese officials and academics. Enlightening, but still third- or fourth-hand information. At the same time the Wikileaked docs showed that the old-school hard-liners are still represented among the top ranks of Chinese officials.

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Your friend is lucky — that absurdly low rate was probably available for about three weeks! I know because I actually looked into refinancing after less than a year on my purchase loan.

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Your friend is lucky — that absurdly low rate was probably available for about three weeks! I know because I actually looked into refinancing after less than a year on my purchase loan.

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Your friend is lucky — that absurdly low rate was probably available for about three weeks! I know because I actually looked into refinancing after less than a year on my purchase loan.

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Your friend is lucky — that absurdly low rate was probably available for about three weeks! I know because I actually looked into refinancing after less than a year on my purchase loan.

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