[4Sbuyer2002]

Why did the “sales people” evacuate? Because they are stupid simpletons . . . ergo they work as new home sellers in a diving market. My fireplace as “burn marks” very very close to my home as well. Just like the rest of my home is protected by the construction and barrier (stone hearth) from the fire in my fireplace, 4S is designed and built to be unaffected by Santa Ana driven wildfires. Those that evactuated were stupid, uninformed, panicked, and actually put themselves at more risk by evacuating. You get what you pay for in terms of Mello Roos in 4S if you are a family with kids. Best parks in San Diego, excellent schools with all new construction and equipment which in turn is a draw for the best teachers, and streets filled with middle class kids from parents who for the most part care greatly about their families and community. (Read much lower likelihood of crime, gangs, etc.). Many of the “older” no Mello Roos communities have older families with the kids all grown and gone. 4S is the best place in San Diego for families with kids hands down.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Why did the “sales people” evacuate? Because they are stupid simpletons . . . ergo they work as new home sellers in a diving market. My fireplace as “burn marks” very very close to my home as well. Just like the rest of my home is protected by the construction and barrier (stone hearth) from the fire in my fireplace, 4S is designed and built to be unaffected by Santa Ana driven wildfires. Those that evactuated were stupid, uninformed, panicked, and actually put themselves at more risk by evacuating. You get what you pay for in terms of Mello Roos in 4S if you are a family with kids. Best parks in San Diego, excellent schools with all new construction and equipment which in turn is a draw for the best teachers, and streets filled with middle class kids from parents who for the most part care greatly about their families and community. (Read much lower likelihood of crime, gangs, etc.). Many of the “older” no Mello Roos communities have older families with the kids all grown and gone. 4S is the best place in San Diego for families with kids hands down.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Why did the “sales people” evacuate? Because they are stupid simpletons . . . ergo they work as new home sellers in a diving market. My fireplace as “burn marks” very very close to my home as well. Just like the rest of my home is protected by the construction and barrier (stone hearth) from the fire in my fireplace, 4S is designed and built to be unaffected by Santa Ana driven wildfires. Those that evactuated were stupid, uninformed, panicked, and actually put themselves at more risk by evacuating. You get what you pay for in terms of Mello Roos in 4S if you are a family with kids. Best parks in San Diego, excellent schools with all new construction and equipment which in turn is a draw for the best teachers, and streets filled with middle class kids from parents who for the most part care greatly about their families and community. (Read much lower likelihood of crime, gangs, etc.). Many of the “older” no Mello Roos communities have older families with the kids all grown and gone. 4S is the best place in San Diego for families with kids hands down.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Why did the “sales people” evacuate? Because they are stupid simpletons . . . ergo they work as new home sellers in a diving market. My fireplace as “burn marks” very very close to my home as well. Just like the rest of my home is protected by the construction and barrier (stone hearth) from the fire in my fireplace, 4S is designed and built to be unaffected by Santa Ana driven wildfires. Those that evactuated were stupid, uninformed, panicked, and actually put themselves at more risk by evacuating. You get what you pay for in terms of Mello Roos in 4S if you are a family with kids. Best parks in San Diego, excellent schools with all new construction and equipment which in turn is a draw for the best teachers, and streets filled with middle class kids from parents who for the most part care greatly about their families and community. (Read much lower likelihood of crime, gangs, etc.). Many of the “older” no Mello Roos communities have older families with the kids all grown and gone. 4S is the best place in San Diego for families with kids hands down.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Why did the “sales people” evacuate? Because they are stupid simpletons . . . ergo they work as new home sellers in a diving market. My fireplace as “burn marks” very very close to my home as well. Just like the rest of my home is protected by the construction and barrier (stone hearth) from the fire in my fireplace, 4S is designed and built to be unaffected by Santa Ana driven wildfires. Those that evactuated were stupid, uninformed, panicked, and actually put themselves at more risk by evacuating. You get what you pay for in terms of Mello Roos in 4S if you are a family with kids. Best parks in San Diego, excellent schools with all new construction and equipment which in turn is a draw for the best teachers, and streets filled with middle class kids from parents who for the most part care greatly about their families and community. (Read much lower likelihood of crime, gangs, etc.). Many of the “older” no Mello Roos communities have older families with the kids all grown and gone. 4S is the best place in San Diego for families with kids hands down.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . thats exactly what I am saying for those in 4S Ranch.

The reverse 9-11 system is not set up to call everyone in the area except for those in places like 4S Ranch which are shelter in place. The system does not discriminate in this detailed a manner. It just calls everyone on a designated and certain phone interconnect switch and plays a recording. Those making the decision to call a mandatory evacuation also suffer from a “well just to be safe we better go to extremes” and evacuate them all. This mindset comes from an innocent desire to just in case lets be as safe as possible. However, often this backfires and is not the case.

If you lived in 4S Ranch the proper course of action was to 1) first be informed of the advise of the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . which is don’t evacuate due to living in a “shelter in place” community (99.3% of people in 4S probably failed at this step), and 2) ignore the order to evacuate and rationally know that such a broad order does not include you (of the 0.7% left many of those may have panicked and left anyway and 3) stay in your home and stay informed via AM Radio of what the fire is doing and be ready to leave if necessry. Thats exactly what I did. Those that left per the “mandatory evacuation” order did the wrong thing.

FYI . . . they never want you to know this but in the United States of America there is no such thing as a “mandatory evacuation” order. Its merely a strong plea to do as we ask. You are perfectly free to assume the risk of staying and stay. In my case I assessed the risk of leaving to far exceed the risk of staying. (See Hurricane Katrina and how the whole evacuation experience worked out for them. Not apples and oranges because many in Katrina had not choice because their house was unlivable.) My house was fine and I stayed. Almost everyone I talked to afterwards that lived in 4S Ranch and evacuated will stay next time . . . as they should. The danger of being harmed due to a Santa Ana wind driven wildfire in 4S Ranch is extremely low to nonexistent.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

NewtoSanDiego,

Your moniker says it all. Those of us who have lived in So.Cal our whole lives know that the “OMG!!! all of So. Cal is on fire” story is blared across the media every few years. The Santa Ana winds have been blowing here for thousands of years. Last years fires are not a new phenomena. The “latest fire risk maps” that include the area of 4S where made when the whole of 4S was grazing grassland for cows. Your “roundly criticized by many in fire protection” is also an asinine and ignorant comment. The “fire proctection” authority for 4S Ranch, namely the Rancho Santa Fe Fire District specifically advises people living in 4S Ranch to NOT evacuate but stay put because the area and homes are at such a very low danger of burning in a fire that the risk of evacuating exceeds the risk of staying. The specifically do NOT make the same recommendation for other communities in the district that are not built according the strict codes that 4S Ranch was built with. Don’t come in here as “NewtoSanDiego” and start spouting of as an expert on fire danger. The Experts that know say 1) 4S Ranch is about as safe as you can possibly be and 2) in the event of an approaching wild fire stay calm and stay in your home and 3) don’t evacuate. Don’t take my word for it you can read it here from the RSF Fire Chief.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

“Typically, when a wildfire threatens homes, evacuations are ordered. Evacuations will shelter residents away from danger during a catastrophic event. During evacuations hough, panic and chaos ensue, causing traffic collisions, blocked roadways, injuries and deaths. In fact, most
wildfire-related deaths occur during evacution efforts.
Your community, however, is designed to shelter you inside your home, far away from these congested evacuation routes.
By residing in one of the five communities listed below, your home is considered shelter-inplace. This means you will not need to evacuate during a wildfire. Homes in these masterplanned communities are designed and constructed to withstand wildfire, so residents are safe to shelter inside.”

FYI . . . . as someone in law enforcement I understand the lemming like herd mentality of most in a state of percieved danger . . . they panic and do the wrong thing. People in 4S that evacuated did the wrong thing. By evacuating they put themselves at greater danger not to mention unnecessary hassle. I lived in 4S, didn’t evacuate, and was fine because I am informed.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

NewtoSanDiego,

Your moniker says it all. Those of us who have lived in So.Cal our whole lives know that the “OMG!!! all of So. Cal is on fire” story is blared across the media every few years. The Santa Ana winds have been blowing here for thousands of years. Last years fires are not a new phenomena. The “latest fire risk maps” that include the area of 4S where made when the whole of 4S was grazing grassland for cows. Your “roundly criticized by many in fire protection” is also an asinine and ignorant comment. The “fire proctection” authority for 4S Ranch, namely the Rancho Santa Fe Fire District specifically advises people living in 4S Ranch to NOT evacuate but stay put because the area and homes are at such a very low danger of burning in a fire that the risk of evacuating exceeds the risk of staying. The specifically do NOT make the same recommendation for other communities in the district that are not built according the strict codes that 4S Ranch was built with. Don’t come in here as “NewtoSanDiego” and start spouting of as an expert on fire danger. The Experts that know say 1) 4S Ranch is about as safe as you can possibly be and 2) in the event of an approaching wild fire stay calm and stay in your home and 3) don’t evacuate. Don’t take my word for it you can read it here from the RSF Fire Chief.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

“Typically, when a wildfire threatens homes, evacuations are ordered. Evacuations will shelter residents away from danger during a catastrophic event. During evacuations hough, panic and chaos ensue, causing traffic collisions, blocked roadways, injuries and deaths. In fact, most
wildfire-related deaths occur during evacution efforts.
Your community, however, is designed to shelter you inside your home, far away from these congested evacuation routes.
By residing in one of the five communities listed below, your home is considered shelter-inplace. This means you will not need to evacuate during a wildfire. Homes in these masterplanned communities are designed and constructed to withstand wildfire, so residents are safe to shelter inside.”

FYI . . . . as someone in law enforcement I understand the lemming like herd mentality of most in a state of percieved danger . . . they panic and do the wrong thing. People in 4S that evacuated did the wrong thing. By evacuating they put themselves at greater danger not to mention unnecessary hassle. I lived in 4S, didn’t evacuate, and was fine because I am informed.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

NewtoSanDiego,

Your moniker says it all. Those of us who have lived in So.Cal our whole lives know that the “OMG!!! all of So. Cal is on fire” story is blared across the media every few years. The Santa Ana winds have been blowing here for thousands of years. Last years fires are not a new phenomena. The “latest fire risk maps” that include the area of 4S where made when the whole of 4S was grazing grassland for cows. Your “roundly criticized by many in fire protection” is also an asinine and ignorant comment. The “fire proctection” authority for 4S Ranch, namely the Rancho Santa Fe Fire District specifically advises people living in 4S Ranch to NOT evacuate but stay put because the area and homes are at such a very low danger of burning in a fire that the risk of evacuating exceeds the risk of staying. The specifically do NOT make the same recommendation for other communities in the district that are not built according the strict codes that 4S Ranch was built with. Don’t come in here as “NewtoSanDiego” and start spouting of as an expert on fire danger. The Experts that know say 1) 4S Ranch is about as safe as you can possibly be and 2) in the event of an approaching wild fire stay calm and stay in your home and 3) don’t evacuate. Don’t take my word for it you can read it here from the RSF Fire Chief.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

“Typically, when a wildfire threatens homes, evacuations are ordered. Evacuations will shelter residents away from danger during a catastrophic event. During evacuations hough, panic and chaos ensue, causing traffic collisions, blocked roadways, injuries and deaths. In fact, most
wildfire-related deaths occur during evacution efforts.
Your community, however, is designed to shelter you inside your home, far away from these congested evacuation routes.
By residing in one of the five communities listed below, your home is considered shelter-inplace. This means you will not need to evacuate during a wildfire. Homes in these masterplanned communities are designed and constructed to withstand wildfire, so residents are safe to shelter inside.”

FYI . . . . as someone in law enforcement I understand the lemming like herd mentality of most in a state of percieved danger . . . they panic and do the wrong thing. People in 4S that evacuated did the wrong thing. By evacuating they put themselves at greater danger not to mention unnecessary hassle. I lived in 4S, didn’t evacuate, and was fine because I am informed.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

NewtoSanDiego,

Your moniker says it all. Those of us who have lived in So.Cal our whole lives know that the “OMG!!! all of So. Cal is on fire” story is blared across the media every few years. The Santa Ana winds have been blowing here for thousands of years. Last years fires are not a new phenomena. The “latest fire risk maps” that include the area of 4S where made when the whole of 4S was grazing grassland for cows. Your “roundly criticized by many in fire protection” is also an asinine and ignorant comment. The “fire proctection” authority for 4S Ranch, namely the Rancho Santa Fe Fire District specifically advises people living in 4S Ranch to NOT evacuate but stay put because the area and homes are at such a very low danger of burning in a fire that the risk of evacuating exceeds the risk of staying. The specifically do NOT make the same recommendation for other communities in the district that are not built according the strict codes that 4S Ranch was built with. Don’t come in here as “NewtoSanDiego” and start spouting of as an expert on fire danger. The Experts that know say 1) 4S Ranch is about as safe as you can possibly be and 2) in the event of an approaching wild fire stay calm and stay in your home and 3) don’t evacuate. Don’t take my word for it you can read it here from the RSF Fire Chief.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

“Typically, when a wildfire threatens homes, evacuations are ordered. Evacuations will shelter residents away from danger during a catastrophic event. During evacuations hough, panic and chaos ensue, causing traffic collisions, blocked roadways, injuries and deaths. In fact, most
wildfire-related deaths occur during evacution efforts.
Your community, however, is designed to shelter you inside your home, far away from these congested evacuation routes.
By residing in one of the five communities listed below, your home is considered shelter-inplace. This means you will not need to evacuate during a wildfire. Homes in these masterplanned communities are designed and constructed to withstand wildfire, so residents are safe to shelter inside.”

FYI . . . . as someone in law enforcement I understand the lemming like herd mentality of most in a state of percieved danger . . . they panic and do the wrong thing. People in 4S that evacuated did the wrong thing. By evacuating they put themselves at greater danger not to mention unnecessary hassle. I lived in 4S, didn’t evacuate, and was fine because I am informed.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

NewtoSanDiego,

Your moniker says it all. Those of us who have lived in So.Cal our whole lives know that the “OMG!!! all of So. Cal is on fire” story is blared across the media every few years. The Santa Ana winds have been blowing here for thousands of years. Last years fires are not a new phenomena. The “latest fire risk maps” that include the area of 4S where made when the whole of 4S was grazing grassland for cows. Your “roundly criticized by many in fire protection” is also an asinine and ignorant comment. The “fire proctection” authority for 4S Ranch, namely the Rancho Santa Fe Fire District specifically advises people living in 4S Ranch to NOT evacuate but stay put because the area and homes are at such a very low danger of burning in a fire that the risk of evacuating exceeds the risk of staying. The specifically do NOT make the same recommendation for other communities in the district that are not built according the strict codes that 4S Ranch was built with. Don’t come in here as “NewtoSanDiego” and start spouting of as an expert on fire danger. The Experts that know say 1) 4S Ranch is about as safe as you can possibly be and 2) in the event of an approaching wild fire stay calm and stay in your home and 3) don’t evacuate. Don’t take my word for it you can read it here from the RSF Fire Chief.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

“Typically, when a wildfire threatens homes, evacuations are ordered. Evacuations will shelter residents away from danger during a catastrophic event. During evacuations hough, panic and chaos ensue, causing traffic collisions, blocked roadways, injuries and deaths. In fact, most
wildfire-related deaths occur during evacution efforts.
Your community, however, is designed to shelter you inside your home, far away from these congested evacuation routes.
By residing in one of the five communities listed below, your home is considered shelter-inplace. This means you will not need to evacuate during a wildfire. Homes in these masterplanned communities are designed and constructed to withstand wildfire, so residents are safe to shelter inside.”

FYI . . . . as someone in law enforcement I understand the lemming like herd mentality of most in a state of percieved danger . . . they panic and do the wrong thing. People in 4S that evacuated did the wrong thing. By evacuating they put themselves at greater danger not to mention unnecessary hassle. I lived in 4S, didn’t evacuate, and was fine because I am informed.

grateful owner . . . .

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