what exactly open space for ?

[niy38]

I have interest in a property with a nice backyard
which has view but close to the backyard there
is a a strip of slope, which belong to another development. I checked local city government and was
told that area was designated as open space by the
developer, so I am wondering what possible choice
for open space? park? grass? tree? I guess definitely
they can not put construction or road there.

[NotCranky]

The “open space” that I know about is set aside by private land owners. Open space is something forced on land owners who subdivide land. Under certain circumstances these sub dividers or developers have to buy land somewhere remote, instead of dedicate it in the area of the development and dedicated as land loss mitigation.People develop prime land and mitigate with slopes and other less desirable land.I think sometimes biologists are involved to rate the value of the land for mitigation purposes. I don’t know much about the whole mitigation process though.

Open space isn’t designated officially for future anything in many cases. It’s just “open space”.It is probably supposed to be considered habitat but any fool knows sooner or later that much of it is going to get taken out of open space and put to a different use.Something dedicated more officially might not.Like a dedicated green belt for instance. I think “open space” is going to prove to be some sort of tax, or land grab profiteering scheme, somewhere down the line ,when that use becomes imminent.Whoever wants to use it ,when planners see fit, is probably going to have to buy it out of “open space” status or else they are going to find ways to steer it to people in the power brokering circles. I can’t figure out what the end game of forcing people to set aside open space is for otherwise.I live in a pretty rural area and I can visualize strip malls owned by John Moores surrounded by “Liberty Station II”.

I made this all up of course. It probably is not what you are asking.May or may not be true. If it does happen we might be dead of old age.

I would guess that open space you are concerned with will stay open space for a very long time, but you probably should go talk to the planners for the area.

[NotCranky]

The “open space” that I know about is set aside by private land owners. Open space is something forced on land owners who subdivide land. Under certain circumstances these sub dividers or developers have to buy land somewhere remote, instead of dedicate it in the area of the development and dedicated as land loss mitigation.People develop prime land and mitigate with slopes and other less desirable land.I think sometimes biologists are involved to rate the value of the land for mitigation purposes. I don’t know much about the whole mitigation process though.

Open space isn’t designated officially for future anything in many cases. It’s just “open space”.It is probably supposed to be considered habitat but any fool knows sooner or later that much of it is going to get taken out of open space and put to a different use.Something dedicated more officially might not.Like a dedicated green belt for instance. I think “open space” is going to prove to be some sort of tax, or land grab profiteering scheme, somewhere down the line ,when that use becomes imminent.Whoever wants to use it ,when planners see fit, is probably going to have to buy it out of “open space” status or else they are going to find ways to steer it to people in the power brokering circles. I can’t figure out what the end game of forcing people to set aside open space is for otherwise.I live in a pretty rural area and I can visualize strip malls owned by John Moores surrounded by “Liberty Station II”.

I made this all up of course. It probably is not what you are asking.May or may not be true. If it does happen we might be dead of old age.

I would guess that open space you are concerned with will stay open space for a very long time, but you probably should go talk to the planners for the area.

[NotCranky]

The “open space” that I know about is set aside by private land owners. Open space is something forced on land owners who subdivide land. Under certain circumstances these sub dividers or developers have to buy land somewhere remote, instead of dedicate it in the area of the development and dedicated as land loss mitigation.People develop prime land and mitigate with slopes and other less desirable land.I think sometimes biologists are involved to rate the value of the land for mitigation purposes. I don’t know much about the whole mitigation process though.

Open space isn’t designated officially for future anything in many cases. It’s just “open space”.It is probably supposed to be considered habitat but any fool knows sooner or later that much of it is going to get taken out of open space and put to a different use.Something dedicated more officially might not.Like a dedicated green belt for instance. I think “open space” is going to prove to be some sort of tax, or land grab profiteering scheme, somewhere down the line ,when that use becomes imminent.Whoever wants to use it ,when planners see fit, is probably going to have to buy it out of “open space” status or else they are going to find ways to steer it to people in the power brokering circles. I can’t figure out what the end game of forcing people to set aside open space is for otherwise.I live in a pretty rural area and I can visualize strip malls owned by John Moores surrounded by “Liberty Station II”.

I made this all up of course. It probably is not what you are asking.May or may not be true. If it does happen we might be dead of old age.

I would guess that open space you are concerned with will stay open space for a very long time, but you probably should go talk to the planners for the area.

[NotCranky]

The “open space” that I know about is set aside by private land owners. Open space is something forced on land owners who subdivide land. Under certain circumstances these sub dividers or developers have to buy land somewhere remote, instead of dedicate it in the area of the development and dedicated as land loss mitigation.People develop prime land and mitigate with slopes and other less desirable land.I think sometimes biologists are involved to rate the value of the land for mitigation purposes. I don’t know much about the whole mitigation process though.

Open space isn’t designated officially for future anything in many cases. It’s just “open space”.It is probably supposed to be considered habitat but any fool knows sooner or later that much of it is going to get taken out of open space and put to a different use.Something dedicated more officially might not.Like a dedicated green belt for instance. I think “open space” is going to prove to be some sort of tax, or land grab profiteering scheme, somewhere down the line ,when that use becomes imminent.Whoever wants to use it ,when planners see fit, is probably going to have to buy it out of “open space” status or else they are going to find ways to steer it to people in the power brokering circles. I can’t figure out what the end game of forcing people to set aside open space is for otherwise.I live in a pretty rural area and I can visualize strip malls owned by John Moores surrounded by “Liberty Station II”.

I made this all up of course. It probably is not what you are asking.May or may not be true. If it does happen we might be dead of old age.

I would guess that open space you are concerned with will stay open space for a very long time, but you probably should go talk to the planners for the area.

[NotCranky]

The “open space” that I know about is set aside by private land owners. Open space is something forced on land owners who subdivide land. Under certain circumstances these sub dividers or developers have to buy land somewhere remote, instead of dedicate it in the area of the development and dedicated as land loss mitigation.People develop prime land and mitigate with slopes and other less desirable land.I think sometimes biologists are involved to rate the value of the land for mitigation purposes. I don’t know much about the whole mitigation process though.

Open space isn’t designated officially for future anything in many cases. It’s just “open space”.It is probably supposed to be considered habitat but any fool knows sooner or later that much of it is going to get taken out of open space and put to a different use.Something dedicated more officially might not.Like a dedicated green belt for instance. I think “open space” is going to prove to be some sort of tax, or land grab profiteering scheme, somewhere down the line ,when that use becomes imminent.Whoever wants to use it ,when planners see fit, is probably going to have to buy it out of “open space” status or else they are going to find ways to steer it to people in the power brokering circles. I can’t figure out what the end game of forcing people to set aside open space is for otherwise.I live in a pretty rural area and I can visualize strip malls owned by John Moores surrounded by “Liberty Station II”.

I made this all up of course. It probably is not what you are asking.May or may not be true. If it does happen we might be dead of old age.

I would guess that open space you are concerned with will stay open space for a very long time, but you probably should go talk to the planners for the area.

[surveyor]

Whenever you subdivide land (or do any major construction project, public or private, for that matter), the planners place a lot of conditions on your subdivision. One of the conditions is dedicating a portion of an area as “open space”. Open space serves many functions, mostly as a buffer so that San Diego preserves the look of San Diego, as opposed to Los Angeles where it’s just non-stop houses and buildings and no greenery or natural habitat in many places. Other primary uses for open space is to serve as a habitat preserve for wetlands and like Rustico says, a place to put loss mitigation for large projects where you can shift your open space requirements to a better more manageable place. Other open space areas serve as a animal traffic corridor for species migration. Also, some open space may be dedicated in order to fulfill environmental requirements within a subdivision and supervised by the planners in that particular area. Open space can also serve as a fire buffer, so that the fires in an area do not touch the houses (or at least a sufficient distance away to minimize damages). Of course, there is open space that is donated by rich people, and some companies also donate open space in order to get more favorable treatment from the counties. One particular open space I helped set up in Riverside helped this company save a few taxes on basically undevelopable land. So there are quite a few uses for it.

Speaking as someone who works with the planners on a regular basis, it is very difficult for a private person or corporation to re-assign open space for another function (of course, for public entities, they do whatever they want, but it is still a long and arduous process, as it should be). Getting an open space restriction removed requires an application, environmental impact statement, FEES, public hearings, yada yada. So pursuing such an action is usually a waste of time. There are better areas to pursue in terms of what you want to do.

For functional purposes, open space is basically an area that you should not be messing with. You are not allowed to grade or disturb the area. You can do things like hike through it, maybe do some walking through it, but it is supposed to be undamaged and pristine and remain in its original condition. Some open space areas get incorporated into the trail system in San Diego. If you are caught grading open space (as has happened to this one major property owner in Lakeside), the county will sue you and force you to change it back at your expense and will charge you the fees and penalties as well.

If you have more specific questions about open space, please post it. I do not purport myself to be a planner or an expert in open space, but these are a few of my observations and experiences.

[surveyor]

Whenever you subdivide land (or do any major construction project, public or private, for that matter), the planners place a lot of conditions on your subdivision. One of the conditions is dedicating a portion of an area as “open space”. Open space serves many functions, mostly as a buffer so that San Diego preserves the look of San Diego, as opposed to Los Angeles where it’s just non-stop houses and buildings and no greenery or natural habitat in many places. Other primary uses for open space is to serve as a habitat preserve for wetlands and like Rustico says, a place to put loss mitigation for large projects where you can shift your open space requirements to a better more manageable place. Other open space areas serve as a animal traffic corridor for species migration. Also, some open space may be dedicated in order to fulfill environmental requirements within a subdivision and supervised by the planners in that particular area. Open space can also serve as a fire buffer, so that the fires in an area do not touch the houses (or at least a sufficient distance away to minimize damages). Of course, there is open space that is donated by rich people, and some companies also donate open space in order to get more favorable treatment from the counties. One particular open space I helped set up in Riverside helped this company save a few taxes on basically undevelopable land. So there are quite a few uses for it.

Speaking as someone who works with the planners on a regular basis, it is very difficult for a private person or corporation to re-assign open space for another function (of course, for public entities, they do whatever they want, but it is still a long and arduous process, as it should be). Getting an open space restriction removed requires an application, environmental impact statement, FEES, public hearings, yada yada. So pursuing such an action is usually a waste of time. There are better areas to pursue in terms of what you want to do.

For functional purposes, open space is basically an area that you should not be messing with. You are not allowed to grade or disturb the area. You can do things like hike through it, maybe do some walking through it, but it is supposed to be undamaged and pristine and remain in its original condition. Some open space areas get incorporated into the trail system in San Diego. If you are caught grading open space (as has happened to this one major property owner in Lakeside), the county will sue you and force you to change it back at your expense and will charge you the fees and penalties as well.

If you have more specific questions about open space, please post it. I do not purport myself to be a planner or an expert in open space, but these are a few of my observations and experiences.

[surveyor]

Whenever you subdivide land (or do any major construction project, public or private, for that matter), the planners place a lot of conditions on your subdivision. One of the conditions is dedicating a portion of an area as “open space”. Open space serves many functions, mostly as a buffer so that San Diego preserves the look of San Diego, as opposed to Los Angeles where it’s just non-stop houses and buildings and no greenery or natural habitat in many places. Other primary uses for open space is to serve as a habitat preserve for wetlands and like Rustico says, a place to put loss mitigation for large projects where you can shift your open space requirements to a better more manageable place. Other open space areas serve as a animal traffic corridor for species migration. Also, some open space may be dedicated in order to fulfill environmental requirements within a subdivision and supervised by the planners in that particular area. Open space can also serve as a fire buffer, so that the fires in an area do not touch the houses (or at least a sufficient distance away to minimize damages). Of course, there is open space that is donated by rich people, and some companies also donate open space in order to get more favorable treatment from the counties. One particular open space I helped set up in Riverside helped this company save a few taxes on basically undevelopable land. So there are quite a few uses for it.

Speaking as someone who works with the planners on a regular basis, it is very difficult for a private person or corporation to re-assign open space for another function (of course, for public entities, they do whatever they want, but it is still a long and arduous process, as it should be). Getting an open space restriction removed requires an application, environmental impact statement, FEES, public hearings, yada yada. So pursuing such an action is usually a waste of time. There are better areas to pursue in terms of what you want to do.

For functional purposes, open space is basically an area that you should not be messing with. You are not allowed to grade or disturb the area. You can do things like hike through it, maybe do some walking through it, but it is supposed to be undamaged and pristine and remain in its original condition. Some open space areas get incorporated into the trail system in San Diego. If you are caught grading open space (as has happened to this one major property owner in Lakeside), the county will sue you and force you to change it back at your expense and will charge you the fees and penalties as well.

If you have more specific questions about open space, please post it. I do not purport myself to be a planner or an expert in open space, but these are a few of my observations and experiences.

[surveyor]

Whenever you subdivide land (or do any major construction project, public or private, for that matter), the planners place a lot of conditions on your subdivision. One of the conditions is dedicating a portion of an area as “open space”. Open space serves many functions, mostly as a buffer so that San Diego preserves the look of San Diego, as opposed to Los Angeles where it’s just non-stop houses and buildings and no greenery or natural habitat in many places. Other primary uses for open space is to serve as a habitat preserve for wetlands and like Rustico says, a place to put loss mitigation for large projects where you can shift your open space requirements to a better more manageable place. Other open space areas serve as a animal traffic corridor for species migration. Also, some open space may be dedicated in order to fulfill environmental requirements within a subdivision and supervised by the planners in that particular area. Open space can also serve as a fire buffer, so that the fires in an area do not touch the houses (or at least a sufficient distance away to minimize damages). Of course, there is open space that is donated by rich people, and some companies also donate open space in order to get more favorable treatment from the counties. One particular open space I helped set up in Riverside helped this company save a few taxes on basically undevelopable land. So there are quite a few uses for it.

Speaking as someone who works with the planners on a regular basis, it is very difficult for a private person or corporation to re-assign open space for another function (of course, for public entities, they do whatever they want, but it is still a long and arduous process, as it should be). Getting an open space restriction removed requires an application, environmental impact statement, FEES, public hearings, yada yada. So pursuing such an action is usually a waste of time. There are better areas to pursue in terms of what you want to do.

For functional purposes, open space is basically an area that you should not be messing with. You are not allowed to grade or disturb the area. You can do things like hike through it, maybe do some walking through it, but it is supposed to be undamaged and pristine and remain in its original condition. Some open space areas get incorporated into the trail system in San Diego. If you are caught grading open space (as has happened to this one major property owner in Lakeside), the county will sue you and force you to change it back at your expense and will charge you the fees and penalties as well.

If you have more specific questions about open space, please post it. I do not purport myself to be a planner or an expert in open space, but these are a few of my observations and experiences.

[surveyor]

Whenever you subdivide land (or do any major construction project, public or private, for that matter), the planners place a lot of conditions on your subdivision. One of the conditions is dedicating a portion of an area as “open space”. Open space serves many functions, mostly as a buffer so that San Diego preserves the look of San Diego, as opposed to Los Angeles where it’s just non-stop houses and buildings and no greenery or natural habitat in many places. Other primary uses for open space is to serve as a habitat preserve for wetlands and like Rustico says, a place to put loss mitigation for large projects where you can shift your open space requirements to a better more manageable place. Other open space areas serve as a animal traffic corridor for species migration. Also, some open space may be dedicated in order to fulfill environmental requirements within a subdivision and supervised by the planners in that particular area. Open space can also serve as a fire buffer, so that the fires in an area do not touch the houses (or at least a sufficient distance away to minimize damages). Of course, there is open space that is donated by rich people, and some companies also donate open space in order to get more favorable treatment from the counties. One particular open space I helped set up in Riverside helped this company save a few taxes on basically undevelopable land. So there are quite a few uses for it.

Speaking as someone who works with the planners on a regular basis, it is very difficult for a private person or corporation to re-assign open space for another function (of course, for public entities, they do whatever they want, but it is still a long and arduous process, as it should be). Getting an open space restriction removed requires an application, environmental impact statement, FEES, public hearings, yada yada. So pursuing such an action is usually a waste of time. There are better areas to pursue in terms of what you want to do.

For functional purposes, open space is basically an area that you should not be messing with. You are not allowed to grade or disturb the area. You can do things like hike through it, maybe do some walking through it, but it is supposed to be undamaged and pristine and remain in its original condition. Some open space areas get incorporated into the trail system in San Diego. If you are caught grading open space (as has happened to this one major property owner in Lakeside), the county will sue you and force you to change it back at your expense and will charge you the fees and penalties as well.

If you have more specific questions about open space, please post it. I do not purport myself to be a planner or an expert in open space, but these are a few of my observations and experiences.

[j]

Open space is for native wildlife and plants. (Even though alien plants take over)

Open space allows for animals to migrate and plants survive. San Diego is a horrible place to see this in use. Developers are always swapping open spaces and the government fails to have a real plan. Go to places like Portland and you see smaller open spaces all over with beavers and birds in them.

You can go to places like Torrey Pines and see deer all the time, and I hear there are mountain lions in Torrey Pines sometimes. A good open space plan will allow animals like deer and mountain lions to migrate to the coast and allow development as well.

The best open space plan in the county is the USMC.

[j]

Open space is for native wildlife and plants. (Even though alien plants take over)

Open space allows for animals to migrate and plants survive. San Diego is a horrible place to see this in use. Developers are always swapping open spaces and the government fails to have a real plan. Go to places like Portland and you see smaller open spaces all over with beavers and birds in them.

You can go to places like Torrey Pines and see deer all the time, and I hear there are mountain lions in Torrey Pines sometimes. A good open space plan will allow animals like deer and mountain lions to migrate to the coast and allow development as well.

The best open space plan in the county is the USMC.

[j]

Open space is for native wildlife and plants. (Even though alien plants take over)

Open space allows for animals to migrate and plants survive. San Diego is a horrible place to see this in use. Developers are always swapping open spaces and the government fails to have a real plan. Go to places like Portland and you see smaller open spaces all over with beavers and birds in them.

You can go to places like Torrey Pines and see deer all the time, and I hear there are mountain lions in Torrey Pines sometimes. A good open space plan will allow animals like deer and mountain lions to migrate to the coast and allow development as well.

The best open space plan in the county is the USMC.

[j]

Open space is for native wildlife and plants. (Even though alien plants take over)

Open space allows for animals to migrate and plants survive. San Diego is a horrible place to see this in use. Developers are always swapping open spaces and the government fails to have a real plan. Go to places like Portland and you see smaller open spaces all over with beavers and birds in them.

You can go to places like Torrey Pines and see deer all the time, and I hear there are mountain lions in Torrey Pines sometimes. A good open space plan will allow animals like deer and mountain lions to migrate to the coast and allow development as well.

The best open space plan in the county is the USMC.

[Author]

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